And your posts are very informative, right?
Article 13, 14, 15 and 20.
Minority rights in Lithuania: jamestownfoundation.blogspot.com/2011/09/poland-and-lithuania-scramble-to-mend.html
Rights of minorities in Poland: msw.gov.pl/portal/en/10/57/Fundamental_rights.html
The Polish law vests national minorities with the following fundamental rights: prohibition of any discrimination and ban on any organisations whose program of activities envisages or allows any form of racial and national hatred;
freedom to preserve and develop their mother tongues;
freedom to cherish their customs and traditions and to develop their own culture;
the right to learn their mother tongue and to be instructed in their mother tongue;
the right to unrestricted religious practice;
the right to establish their own educational and cultural organisations, or the ones that protect religious identity;
election privileges granted to election committees of minority organisations.
Minorities in Poland: msw.gov.pl/portal/en/10/56/Characteristics_of_ethnic_and_national_minorities_in_Poland.html
Lithuanians constitute another national minority in Poland. In the 2002 national census a total of 5 639 citizens of Poland proclaimed their nationality as Lithuanian. There are 5 097 members of the Lithuanian minority in Podlaskie Voivodship, 99 in Mazowieckie Voivodship, 83 Warmińsko-Mazurskie Voivodship, 75 in Pomorskie Voivodship, 67 in Zachodnio-Pomorskie Voivodship, and 53 in Dolnośląskie Voivodship. There are homogenous Lituanian communities in the municipalities of Puńsk, Szypliszki, Krasnopol and Sejny (Podlaskie Voivodship).
In the municipality of Puńsk, Lithuanians account for over 80% of the local population and, in effect, they hold the majority of seats in the local government. They are also represented in the council of the Sejny district.
They have a well-organized educational system. In 2003/2004 their mother tongue was taught at all school levels in a total of 19 schools attended by 720 Lithuanian children and teenagers. All teachers of the Lithuanian language have university degrees.
nobody deny them right to study in their own language: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_minority_in_Poland
There are Lithuanian publications (over 80 books have been published, and there are several magazines, of which the largest is "Aušra" (= "Dawn"), co-sponsored by Polish Ministry of Internal Affairs). Lithuanian organizations are involved in organizing cultural life of the minority (with libraries, choirs, theatres, etc.). There are also Lithuanian-language programmes on local Radio Białystok and Telewizja Białystok.
There are Lithuanian-exclusive schools in Puńsk, both on primary and secondary level, schools with Lithuanian-language as a teaching language in Sejny, and schools with Lithuanian as a foreign language in the wider region are common.[
I hope that informative enough and I ask mods for understanding and leniency this time if I overstepped the rules a little !
What Harry ? Your case is interesting in itself. You were giving off to Poland for not giving enough rights to minorities before the war.
You implied that it is ridiculous to claim territory with only 18% of Poles in there.
Here comes pictoonis and says that it only right to claim territories with 3% of Lithuanian in there.
Out of the sudden you find that perfectly all right !
There in Lithuanian Poles are minority and their rights as understood by the European standards today are infringed.
Yet you ridicule that claim as well.
The only conclusion is that you are anti-Polish, Harry old chap, no other way to see it.
mods feel free to moderate my previous post if you think is not logical conclusion to pictoonis ramblings and not an insult.
From what i read, lithuanians were at least 25%, poles 30%,
well if they were written by Lithuanian then their attitude and tendency for fantasy and imagination deem only naturally to treat them with suspicion.
I think that that your number is rubbish but even according to your books Poles were majority on said territories - what gives ?
Find sources not Polish and not Lithuanian.
You can't even write my nickname correctly, maybe you should go to school and learn a bit more.
I don't care about your stupid moniker.
So you mean that you cannot quote from even a single post in which I say any such thing. And why can you not do that? Because you are very simply lying, yet again.
It means exactly what it means - that you say nothing, given your constant go at Poles it speaks volumes !
And thirdly :
Protocol No. 12 to the European Convention on Human Rights, containing a general prohibition of discrimination, and the acceptance of the collective complaints procedure under the European Social Charter.
Poland did ratified that Protocol l and Lithuania didn't - are you maintaining you anti-Polish attitude faced with that?
In my understanding they have all necessary lows in place but implementing them differ.
Well, you constantly lying doesn't exactly help, does it?
constantly would you like to repeat that statement in the court of law?
The fact is that I very rarely lie,and on here just to keep you going, you on the other hand have no qualms about lying just to make yourself good on here or make some poster look bad !
No census is 100% reliable. However, these are the possible alternatives (regarding Polish-Lithuanian conflict over Vilnius/Wilno):
1. Russian census of 1897:
Vilnius/Wilno - Jews (40%), Poles (30,1%), Russians (20,9%), Belarusians (4,3%), Lithuanians (2,1%), Germans (1,4%), Tatars (0.5%), Ukrainians (0,3%), Other (0,4%)
Vilna Governorate (most of its territory seems to be in Belarus now; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lithuania-1867-1914-EN.svg) - Belarusians (56,1%), Lithuanians (17,6%), Jews (12,5%), Poles (8,2%), Russians (4,9%), Germans (0,2%), Tatars (0,1%), Ukrainians (0,1%), Other (0,1%).
2. German census of 1916:
Vilnius/Wilno - Poles (50,2%), Jews (43,5%), Lithuanians (2,6%), Russians (1,5%), Other (2,2%)
Occupied Lithuania - Poles (58%), Lithuanians (18,5%), Jews (14,7%), Belarusians (6,4%), Russians (1,2%), Other (1,2%).
3. Polish census of 1921:
Administrative district Area of Wilno - Poles (57,9%), Belarusians (25,7%), Jews (8,1%), Other (8,3%).
4. German-Lithuanian census of 1942:
Vilnius/Wilno - Poles (41,89%), Jews (27,78%), Lithuanians (24,37%), Russians (1,95%), Belarusians (2,55%), Germans (0,25%), Other (1,21%)
Wilna-Gebiet - Lithuanians (43,44%), Poles (42,20%), Belarusians (10,89%), Russians (3,05%), Other (0,42%).
5. Soviet census of 1959:
Vilnius/Wilno - Lithuanians (33,6%), Russians (29,4%), Poles (20%), Jews (7%), Belarusians (6,2%), Ukrainians (2,8%), Other (1%).
Ethnic history of Vilnius region.
Not every pole is lying, only you. Did you look in to my linked material?
You are lying boozy!
Today it is you claiming that I said something which I very clearly have never said,
Come on Harry focus !Today(yesterday) I claimed that you have not said something which you very clearly should have said.
that Welsh was banned in the UK in the 1920s and 1930s.
In the UK schools, are you saying that wasn't banned?Maybe was prohibited unofficially ?
it gives a rather nice assessment about Poland and minority rights:
That assessment is from 2003. Right now Lithuanian minority got all the rights, especially in eduction area paid for by Polish taxpayers.
What about rights of minorities in Lithuania ?
Did you look in to my linked material?
Yes I did.
Most of that land is a part of Belarus now. Very interesting that Vilnia
is one of few provinces were percentage were given, in Kovno that do not bother with numbers or percentages - I wonder what kind of source is that, what was it originally - estimation made by St.Petersburg most notorious pish taker?
Good for you at least you got something going for you not just empty claims. The question is what that source is worth.