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OP Ironside 50 | 11,142
29 Jan 2012 #151
Simply put, they want too much.

Says who?

I live near the lake, where in summer are a lot of people. I was attacked twice by drunk teenagers, who were speaking polish.

Have you been beaten up senseless for speaking Lithuanian ? I don't think so.
piktoonis - | 86
29 Jan 2012 #152
Says who?

Anyone who is not in AWPL

Have you been beaten up senseless for speaking Lithuanian ? I don't think so.

I wasn't beaten, but still encounter was unpleasant. And yes, they tried to beat me because i spoke in lithuanian and didn't share cigaretes.
OP Ironside 50 | 11,142
29 Jan 2012 #153
Anyone who is not in AWPL

Yeah, keep dreaming.There some standards in the EU to be upheld.
It will not go away, sooner or later it will blow in your faces.

And yes, they tried to beat me because i spoke in lithuanian and didn't share cigaretes.

Some time ago two Lithuanians stabbed to death a Polish guy in England because he didn't give them fags.
There is a world of difference between fight and drunken brawl especially for teenagers and grown men being aggressive towards teenagers just because they are Polish.
piktoonis - | 86
29 Jan 2012 #154
Know a country where racial or nationalistic attacks are absent? Poland is definitely not an exception. As i said before, if there were some standards violated, EU would have stepped immediately. So stop crying, nothing will come of that.
OP Ironside 50 | 11,142
29 Jan 2012 #155
Know a country where racial or nationalistic attacks are absent?

Right, However I don't know any European country where government is actively encouraging racist and nationalizing feeling, also introducing some backwood chauvinist legislation to harass minorities.

I suppose policy pursued by Zimbabwe is your ideal. The Government fallacy on all fields is compensated by focusing on minorities and alleged "problem" they constitute.

Poland is definitely not an exception.

Any examples ?

So stop crying, nothing will come of that.

Don't be saying then that you haven't been warned !
piktoonis - | 86
29 Jan 2012 #156
I don't get it. Lithuania issues education law that is present in Poland for 10 years. All the fuss was only election show. If you still don't understand, then you are simply brainwashed. Have you been to Lithuania, talked with people living there? Or is your information come from Wilenskij Kurier?

Any examples ?

Lithuanian signs, monuments vandalized, people afraid to speak lithuanian due to constant harassment. Enough?

Don't be saying then that you haven't been warned !

You keep saying that, but will this happen? xD
OP Ironside 50 | 11,142
29 Jan 2012 #157
Lithuanian signs, monuments vandalized, people afraid to speak lithuanian due to constant harassment. Enough?

After all that hassle with Lithuanians ! All that are fruits of your policy.

You keep saying that, but will this happen? xD

Already happening - see above!
You seem to be not able to grasp a simple fact that people in Poland regarded Lithuania and Lithuanians as friends. That has changed due to your actions.

Have you been to Lithuania, talked with people living there?

Yes I have.
piktoonis - | 86
29 Jan 2012 #158
After all that hassle with Lithuanians ! All that are fruits of your policy.

It happens all the time, many years before this "discrimination" crap. Usually it was windows of lithuanian schools or culture buildings. Now polish radicals took more offensive stance.

You seem to be not able to grasp a simple fact that people in Poland regarded Lithuania and Lithuanians as friends. That has changed due to your actions.

Lithuanians thought so too. Before this crap, my stance was friendly, but after reading comments from Sikorski, Tomasevski or people like you, it is not so good anymore. As always, only lithuanians are to blame, nothing new from ironside.

Yes I have.

When? How many times? Which places?
gumishu 11 | 5,681
29 Jan 2012 #159
afraid to speak lithuanian due to constant harassment

never heard of that - yes there were news that some idiots painted Lithuanian monuments with spray paint - but never heard of any personal attacks - and you know some (like most) Polish media are rather anti-nationalistic and we would have heard about it
OP Ironside 50 | 11,142
29 Jan 2012 #160
You see he is Lithuanian, is not that they are lying trough their teeth, they are just living in a different dimension.
I'm done here.
piktoonis - | 86
29 Jan 2012 #161
never heard of that - yes there were news that some idiots painted Lithuanian monuments with spray paint - but never heard of any personal attacks - and you know some (like most) Polish media are rather anti-nationalistic and we would have heard about it

That's because there weren't anything major. A window broken here and there, someone got beaten. But that happens all the time everywhere. Those signs and monuments were something new.

is not that they are lying trough their teeth, they are just living in a different dimension.

xDDD
Na Wilno!
30 Jan 2012 #162
Poland needs a strong leader to show Lithuanians their place like in 1938.We should close the border with them to teach them a lesson.They will learn quickly when they will have to travel to Europe via Ukraine or Scandinavia.If that want help send some F16s to bomb Kaunas (as Wilno is a Polish city).
gumishu 11 | 5,681
30 Jan 2012 #163
you must be young and a bit hot-headed
Na Wilno!
30 Jan 2012 #164
There is a Polish saying which accuratelly depicts Lithuanian behaviour Jeżą się jak pchła na kołnierzu.

you must be young and a bit hot-headed

I just don't understand why are we so soft on them when we can press them in so many ways for instance by closing the border and/or Możejki and they done without a single shot fired.
gumishu 11 | 5,681
30 Jan 2012 #165
I just don't understand why are we so soft on them when we can press them in so many ways for instance by closing the border and/or Możejki and they done without a single shot fired.

I guess I'd rather have Tusk as a prime minister than yourself - go figure
piktoonis - | 86
30 Jan 2012 #166
Poland needs a strong leader to show Lithuanians their place like in 1938.We should close the border with them to teach them a lesson.

And then they wonder why there are so many who dislikes poles...
Na Wilno!
30 Jan 2012 #167
I guess I'd rather have Tusk as a prime minister than yourself - go figure

You must be a coward then.A little bit of gunboats diplomacy would quickly solve our problems with Lithuanians.Maybe they would even return Wilno.
piktoonis - | 86
30 Jan 2012 #168
Or will ruin Poland's prestige. Vilnius will stay in Lithuania, of that i am certain.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
30 Jan 2012 #169
The beating that Poland will take from Lithuania's NATO allies after such an attack would be interesting, as would Poland's swift expulsion from the EU and NATO.

Closing the border would achieve what, exactly?

I just don't understand why are we so soft on them when we can press them in so many ways for instance by closing the border and/or Możejki and they done without a single shot fired.

Closing the border isn't exactly possible when all the barbed wire was removed anyway.

You must be a coward then.

Or they could humiliate Poland - or have you forgotten how they stuck two fingers up at the Soviet Union?

I can just imagine the headlines now as big Poland attempts to bully tiny Lithuania.

I guess I'd rather have Tusk as a prime minister than yourself - go figure

Do people genuinely believe in Poland that Poland could force Lithuania into anything these days?
Na Wilno!
30 Jan 2012 #170
Or will ruin Poland's prestige.

Really?No,it would be just like in 1938.

The beating that Poland will take from Lithuania's NATO allies after such an attack would be interesting, as would Poland's swift expulsion from the EU and NATO.

Oh really?We would control the whole Lithuania before the NATO would even call a meeting and then we would negotiate new border with Wilno in Poland.NATO and EU can go to hell but they would get over it.

Closing the border isn't exactly possible when all the barbed wire was removed anyway.

You think it's that much of the problem to put it back there?It's not.

Or they could humiliate Poland -

Like in 1938?

Do people genuinely believe in Poland that Poland could force Lithuania into anything these days?

Yes.Poland can press Lithuania but Lithuania can not press Poland.
We can also harras all the Lithuanian trucks transiting thru Poland.We have a whole arsenal of measures which could be used.
piktoonis - | 86
30 Jan 2012 #171
We have a whole arsenal of measures which could be used.

It is not interwar era. No polish leader would be dumb enough to try to change borders, because it would cause a lot of undesirable effects and destabilize whole region. In short, Poland would have nothing to gain, only to lose.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
30 Jan 2012 #172
Really?No,it would be just like in 1938.

Ah yes. One year later, Poland was humiliated. And you think it's wise to repeat history?

Oh really?We would control the whole Lithuania before the NATO would even call a meeting and then we would negotiate new border with Wilno in Poland.NATO and EU can go to hell but they would get over it.

Alternatively, NATO would order an immediate ceasefire - and when it wasn't obeyed by the renegade Poles - they would spring into action. You could also easily see a situation where Russia gets involved to protect her people in Lithuania - meaning Poland would be under attack from all sides. End result : Poland humiliated and internationally isolated.

You think it's that much of the problem to put it back there?It's not.

It's no problem to put it back, but you'll find the other borders suddenly close up too. Poland would be paralysed within days if the borders were closed.

We can also harras all the Lithuanian trucks transiting thru Poland.We have a whole arsenal of measures which could be used.

Good luck with that - I imagine Poland would be begging for mercy within minutes of being told that EU funds will not be paid until such nonsense stops. Incidentally, harassing trucks would hardly force Lithuania into submission - there are such things as ferries, you know.

In short, Poland would have nothing to gain, only to lose.

Poland isn't going to risk everything for the sake of a few right-wing troublemakers in Lithuania.
OP Ironside 50 | 11,142
30 Jan 2012 #173
h yes. One year later, Poland was humiliated. A

Really ? News to me!

Poland would have nothing to gain, only to lose.

Don't bet on it.

I imagine Poland would be begging for mercy within minutes of being told that EU funds will not be paid

you mean yourself and few flukes calling themselves gov ?the EU can keep those mythical funds!

Lithuania and the Nazis!
articles.cnn/2010-06-03/world/lithuania.nazi.prosecutions_1_holocaust-history-efraim-zuroff-nazis?_s=PM:WORLD
pawian 178 | 15,558
6 Jun 2021 #174
I guess I'd rather have Tusk as a prime minister than yourself

That is real desperation. :):)

they are just living in a different dimension.

It seems no more a problem.. The threat from the Kremlin hushed up old animosities to a large extent. Lithuanians know that after the Ukraine and Belarus they can be the next.


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