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POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country?


Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
10 Feb 2013 #871
Poland is East Europe

No it isn't.
Wulkan - | 3,250
10 Feb 2013 #872
They have nothing in common with Middle

stop being ignorant

according to you: Is Portugal western Europe? yes. Is Finland wester Europe? yes

so what those 2 countries have in common culture or history wise? NOTHING

I don't know why i got involved in a conversation with a troll... :S I guess it's better to check who you write to first

https://polishforums.com/language/weird-dialect-64289/
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
10 Feb 2013 #873
Middle or West European culture

could you please define them ? Thanks in advance !
APF 4 | 106
10 Feb 2013 #874
West Europe are countries like France, Portugal, Spain (Italy has the influence of this west).. the countries of the wine, of the chilled lifestyle, romantic .. the inhabitants of these countries are sleeping the most time in Europe.

Middle Europe is Germany, Switzerland, Austria .. rules, hard work, patience, safety .. but also poems, literature, art (influenced by the west)

Denmark, Finnland, Sweden .. thats the North .. I dont know much about them, I am not intrested in Scandinavia .. but from that what I know they are a low version of Germany .. very low ..

East Europe .. Poland, Czech, Ukraina, Belarus, Russia .. Ostblock .. mostly agrary countries, post-communism, they were not ready to live the communism by Marx, they were too greedy and failed ..

South - East Europe, Balkan .. Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia .. some Slavic Ottoman mix .. sons of Turkey .. living in Europe with Turkish culture .. the Croatian army for example is even nowadays using the Halay dance before the battle.

Why Finnland and Portugal are called Western countries?? Cause their lifestyle is western .. they are part of the western world, while Poland is an post-communism, grey, Easat European country which belonged to the Slavic, Russian, East European side ..

While for example Germans have a lot of West/Middle and North European ancestors, the Poles have more from Russia, Mongolia and China inside their "bloodline" ..

I don't know why i got involved in a conversation with a troll

A troll??

And everyone who critsize Robert Lewandowski for the foul yesterday is a racist, what??
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
10 Feb 2013 #875
Poland is an post-communism, grey, Easat European country which belonged to the Slavic, Russian, East European side ..

it's kinda true, y'all. slavic language, commies for decades, gray as all hell, far from the laid back lifestyles of western countries, weather is generally bleak and cold....a Ukranian guy has far more in common with a Pole than a westerner does, it's as simple as that.

the countries of the wine, of the chilled lifestyle, romantic .. the inhabitants of these countries are sleeping the most time in Europe.

versus countries of barszcz, meat and potatoes and pierogi. i hear ya, man. to be honest, i don't know why people get so butt hurt over this either. i mean.....it is what it is.
APF 4 | 106
10 Feb 2013 #876
don't know why people get so butt hurt over this either. i mean.....it is what it is.

Me too .. like you said, it is like it is .. and nobody said that it is bad! I like barszcz .. but like Poles say .. "To Polska - Nie Francja elegancja" .. but back then, when Napoleon had this Polish mistress, the whole country wanted to speak French .. maybe Poles dont like their traditions .. they should represent their traditions and make it worldwide famous .. and not mixing with French .. (Chopin, Marie Curie etc.) .. at least Wodka was founded in Poland like I heard ..
crochetbitch88 2 | 83
10 Feb 2013 #877
I'm happy for Poland to be counted as an Eastern European country, in fact, I'm quite proud of it. Every part of Europe has its own atmosphere and its own beauty, and it's natural that people get more attracted to one than to another. For example the Italians are generally liked for being warm and extrovet, but I've come across people who found the Italians mainly loud and rude.

Eastern Europe has its specific charm too, but it doesn't and does not have to appeal to everyone. To me there is something dark and mysterious in Eastern Europe - and I see it more vividly when I look at the countries further to the east of Poland; the West (or/and Central Europe as you prefer to call it, APF) is more organized, more focused on the material world, on facts, action; the ego. The East of Europe is more instinctual, there's a lot more of a "feeling", but different from the "feeling" of spontaneous nations like the Italians or the Spanish. If Western Europe is focused on the ego, Eastern Europe is more like the Id - the dark, the disordered, the powerful instinct. It's scary for some, fascinating for others. I like it :)

And as much as the ego and the id might oppose each other, they form a whole, where one cannot exist without another



and not mixing with French .. (Chopin, Marie Curie etc.)

Maria Skłodowska WAS Polish, so was Fryderyk Szopen
jon357 66 | 17,035
10 Feb 2013 #878
I'm happy for Poland to be counted as an Eastern European country, in fact, I'm quite proud of it.

Spot on.
Warszawette - | 128
10 Feb 2013 #879
With a father named Nicolas Chopin, how could the legitimate son be named...... Szopen????? MDR
As to Marie Curie, she could make it only because she was in France (money, facilities, husband....). If she had stayed in Poland, she would have never become famous.
jon357 66 | 17,035
10 Feb 2013 #880
With a father named Nicolas Chopin, how could the legitimate son be named...... Szopen?

He was very Polonised.

As to Marie Curie, she could make it only because she was in France (money, facilities, husband....). If she had stayed in Poland, she would have never become famous

I wouldn't be so sure about that.
crochetbitch88 2 | 83
10 Feb 2013 #881
With a father named Nicolas Chopin, how could the legitimate son be named...... Szopen????? MDR

Szopen was born and brought up in Poland, and had a Polish mother; his father was French but lived in Poland since he was 16. Szopen is the way his surname is commonly spelled in Polish

Marie Curie, she could make it only because she was in France (money, facilities, husband....). If she had stayed in Poland, she would have never become famous.

Perhaps. But she was Polish and not some mixed French.
Perhaps Adolf Hitler couldn't have done what he did and become famous if he had stayed in Austria, but we can only guess...
MarcinD 4 | 135
10 Feb 2013 #882
When someone refers to Eastern Europe it usually has derogatory hint in it.As is the only valuable culture is in Western Europe

Correct. But it will take 25+ years for the rest of the World to get on board with this.
jon357 66 | 17,035
10 Feb 2013 #883
I'd disagree. PL is too complicated to be pigeoneholed into either category and certainly doesn't share the values of mitteleuropa.
crochetbitch88 2 | 83
10 Feb 2013 #884
As is the only valuable culture is in Western Europe

The Western culture is the dominant one and it has been for at least a thousand years. It has destroyed many other cultures with deepest contempt so you shouldn't expect too much of appreciation. They can look down at us and many will do (although often not consciously), but it's up to us whether we comply and feel inferior or understand the uniqueness of our world and learn to value it for what it is, with its strength and its weakness

"The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion, but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do" Samuel Huntington
Vlad123 7 | 204
10 Feb 2013 #885
the Poles have more from ... Mongolia and China inside their "bloodline"

Probably you are from Mongolian steppes...

I see this thread is really troll-on-troll one...

Domogarov in the movie ``Ogniem i mieczem`` is similar to Chechen from
Nother Caucasus.Ukrainian cossacks shaved beard clean,only mustche
they wore.And his black curly hair...
And what did you want to say be posting movie fragment?
You forgot to mention Ukrainian witch lesbian who liked to abuse Polish woman.
Maybe you could post this fragment?
crochetbitch88 2 | 83
10 Feb 2013 #886
And what did you want to say be posting movie fragment?

I wanted to illustrate what I meant by dark, disordered, powerful Slavic instinct. And why I love it.

You forgot to mention Ukrainian witch lesbian who liked to abuse Polish woman.

I don't have a clue what this is about

Spot on.

Oops, haven't noticed that before. Thank you :)
Vlad123 7 | 204
10 Feb 2013 #887
In movie she is reffered as ``Horpyna`` - a Ukrainian lesbian witch.





crochetbitch88 2 | 83
10 Feb 2013 #888
I watched the movie long time ago and quite forgot Horpyna. I didn't even know she was Ukrainian. But I remember Bohun very well :)
Wulkan - | 3,250
10 Feb 2013 #889
While for example Germans have a lot of West/Middle and North European ancestors, the Poles have more from Russia, Mongolia and China inside their "bloodline" ..

Why would you waste your time to troll such a river, just tell me xD
Hankie123 - | 4
10 Feb 2013 #890
I'm afraid it's gonna be friggin' hard to change "Western" European people's perception of that part of Europe. Any country that has ever been behind the Iron Curtain is always gonna be considered part of Eastern Europe. They will hardly acknowledge any major differences within that region. You can call it ignorance or lack of education, but sadly that's just the way it is.
Vlad123 7 | 204
11 Feb 2013 #892
I'm afraid it's gonna be friggin' hard to change "Western" European people's perception of that part of Europe. Any country that has ever been behind the Iron Curtain is always gonna be considered part of Eastern Europe.

Could you give a refference which shows that relation of Western powers to that part of Europe was different before an ``Iron Curtain``? For example German Nazies believed that Poles are underhumans and indended to clean Europe from them altogether.
Rysavy 10 | 308
11 Feb 2013 #893
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Bloc

to add to the fray..
In school... admittedly mostly private tutor during travel or perochial.. I was never taught that Poland was "Eastern Europe.." and my family was suspicious of "Commies" but that nearly always translated to "=Russians" >_<

I was taught it was an "East Bloc" country which a BIIIG portion of Germany was part of.

The laziness of my children's schools and their generation of educators seem to have arbitraily assigned anything east of the line in 'western' Germany separating it as Eastern Europe.

My curiosity what is the center of Western Europe supposed to be geographically?

AS for why some feel the need to correct what they are being called. Why so adamant on siliencing their opinion about their OWN selves?

I don't think it's Rocket Science. Just because the betrayers of the "eastern European" countries trust assigned them off with a "not one of us" label to feel better about Warsaw pact..doesn't mean the indigenous peoples agreed wholeheartedly with being aportioned.
Hankie123 - | 4
11 Feb 2013 #894
Could you give a refference which shows that relation of Western powers to that part of Europe was different before an ``Iron Curtain``? For example German Nazies believed that Poles are underhumans and indended to clean Europe from them altogether.

Are you asking me what the perception was before the Eastern bloc was established? Well, as far as I know, all this region including Germany, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland, and probably some other countries, was called Central Europe (Mittel Europa). The term "Eastern Europe" wasn't that much in use I suppose. It's mostly a product of the Cold war. But given there were fewer media outlets (no internet, TV, etc.), the perception was rather uncertain. Maybe that's one of the reasons why Neville Chamberlain said about Czechoslovakia during the Munich crisis that it was a far-away country of which they (the British) knew nothing. But in fact Czechoslovakia at that time was a highly developed country, better off than Italy, Spain or Austria. And maybe it's this kind of attitude that this so called "Eastern Europe" is just too far away to give a damn about.
hudsonhicks 21 | 346
11 Feb 2013 #895
This is a funny topic.

The one sure way to get a rise out of a Pole is mention "Eastern Europe" and Poland in the same sentence.
They're desperately trying to disassociate themselves with the *slightly* poorer Eastern Europe.
In 10 years time you'll be hearing "Polska is a Western European coutnry!!!"

I'm sorry Poland, but you'll always be Eastern Europeans.
The huge political, cultural and economical gulf between East and West is too pronounced.
Nickidewbear 23 | 584
11 Feb 2013 #896
East Europe not Central

I agree. Eastern Europe is Slavic, Magyar, and (for right now) Ruso.

and Russia is not Europe at all

I also agree on that. Russia is really its own continent.

While for example Germans have a lot of West/Middle and North European ancestors, the Poles have more from Russia, Mongolia and China inside their "bloodline" ..

That's because many Poles are actually Jews or Poles of Jewish descent who have Khazar blood in them.
MediaWatch 10 | 945
11 Feb 2013 #897
Poland being labeled either as a Eastern or Central European nation is fine by me.

But I think Poland labeled as an Eastern European nation, has something to do with Poland being part of all of the other countries like Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic, etc that were once controlled by the Soviet Union.
Vlad123 7 | 204
11 Feb 2013 #898
The term "Eastern Europe" wasn't that much in use I suppose. It's mostly a product of the Cold war.

Immigration Act of 1924
Congressional opposition was minimal.

Proponents of the Act sought to establish a distinct American identity by favoring native-born Americans over Southern and Eastern Europeans in order to "maintain the racial preponderance of the basic strain on our people and thereby to stabilize the ethnic composition of the population".[6][7] Reed told the Senate that earlier legislation "disregards entirely those of us who are interested in keeping American stock up to the highest standard - that is, the people who were born here".[8] Southern and Eastern Europeans, he believed, arrive sick and starving and therefore less capable of contributing to the American economy, and unable to adapt to American culture.[6]

So restrictive were the new quotas for immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe, that in 1924 there were more Italians, Czechs, Yugoslavs, Greeks, Lithuanians, Hungarians, Poles, Portuguese, Romanians, Spaniards, Chinese, and Japanese that left the United States than those who arrived as immigrants.[16]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

From this it is clearly seen that in the beginning of 20-th century Poles and Czecs were regarded as Eastern europeans, secondary people to ``American identity``.
Nickidewbear 23 | 584
11 Feb 2013 #899
So restrictive were the new quotas for immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe, that in 1924 there were more Italians, Czechs, Yugoslavs, Greeks, Lithuanians, Hungarians, Poles, Portuguese, Romanians, Spaniards, Chinese, and Japanese that left the United States than those who arrived as immigrants.[16]

Does Mediterranean Europe really count as Southern Europe, though?
Wulkan - | 3,250
11 Feb 2013 #900
In 10 years time you'll be hearing "Polska is a Western European coutnry!!!"

Is Poland's teritory going to move to the west in 10 years? Your jokes are a real fail

That's because many Poles are actually Jews or Poles of Jewish descent who have Khazar blood in them.

are you gonna give source to back up this bs? I bet not


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