Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland?

Somebody already mentioned it. One guy with 11 sympathisers (assuming none of them was a mole from the Corriere), private wanking tour, and it makes world headlines.

Funny thing. While writing 'one guy' above, I made a typo 'one guoy', and then quickly corrected it to 'one 'goy'... then I saw what I wrote... please don't tell anybody...

LMAO... I won't tell a soul. :)

Why not Irving?...Good historian...Believe it or not many so-called 'holocaust deniers' in US consider David Irving a 'kosher Nazi'...Try to figure...Anyway, Poles believe in free speech right?...Any Jew who wants to weep and wail about 'holocaust' in Poland will be allowed, and paid well.

As far as his conviction, it was in a kangaroo court, for him exercising free speech...His main accuser, the hideous Deborah Lipstadt, is/was a liar and a shill.

Me?...I am a 'Holocaust Expander'...Let us include all Slavs starved, murdered and imprisoned and made homeless and helpless by Jewish Communists, and let us not forget Nazis either...All Bolsheviks stand accused...Also include blood soaked banking elite like Rothschilds, Warburgs & Rockefellers, for a start...Bush family also...Then we move on to drunken Winston Churchill, weasel FDR, and of course Stalin, but he is already in Bolshevik category...BIG holocaust museum with all these characters featured prominently and their crimes exposed...Also, Zionist leaders who closely cooperated with National Socialist regime to create Jews only state in Palestine, and considered Eastern Jews 'pawns on great Zionist chessboard', ready to be deported/ethnically cleansed.

We can expand even more, as whole 20th Century was 'burnt offering' to Satan/Molech/Ba'al...But, for now, I give you a start

Any effort trying to expand the Holocaust will be met with the same penalty as for denying it.

I would help if somebody defined the proper numbers and the allowed margin of error. Quite a lot of people are stuck with the 6 mln number.

Do not talk about numbers, if you have nothing to say about people. Do not turn people into numbers.

one has to talk about numbers simply to get people to understand the enormity of what happened.

a figure that for some is beyond belief needs explaining. not to me btw.

Seems numbers are quite an important element.

Moved from

The jewish myth of the "holocaust" 6 million should be opposed with the historical fact of the holocaust committed by USA and the UK against the peoples of Europe and the world during the 20th century. We should begin with the genocide of the Boers in the early 20th century (first concentration camps for civilians), then the use of poison gas by the allies on the western front in World War I, as well as in Iraq in 1919 at the request of Winston Churchill, and through mass crimes in World War II starting with the mass bombing of Europe from France, through the Balkans to Germany, the destruction of the entire French fleet in the Mediterranean by the English "allies", the destruction of the beautiful town of Cannes in Normandy by the invading army led by Field Marshal Montgomery, as well as the nuclear holocaust in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This is followed by the destruction of East Asia, Korea and Indochina, the death squads in Central America and the latest genocidal war against Iraq.

youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8

Further on, the latest genocidal behavior in Europe, against Serbs in Bosnia and Serbia, should be added to that as well as the Hague Inquisition. To this should be added the youngest ally of London and Washington - Tel Aviv and its half-century-old genocidal policy against its arab neighbors and against the Palestinians. When monuments to the Judeo-Anglo-American holocaust begin to be erected, it should start in Normandy, then through Germany, Italy and the Balkans, continue on to Palestine and Iraq, and end in Vietnam, Korea and Japan, not forgetting along the way the Boers and South America. Entire continents of monuments !!!

London - Washington - Tel Aviv, that is the real axis of evil, responsible for the holocaust, for the death of tens of millions of people !!!

That's it, way to go there Vesko! Make stuff up, then blame the victim. Brilliant.

Hey now Lzyko, he deserves a prize for best fiction post on PF.

Six million is only fiction if you're in deniaI.

Would you expect a jew to spew denial to such fiction ?

Yeah, those American gas chambers...They never break.

wikispooks.com/wiki/File:Tales_of_the_Holohoax.pdf

russia-insider.com/en/tales-holohoax

russia-insider.com/en/how-holocaust-lie-motivates-left-strike-mike-podcast-transcript/ri30562

All deaths are not equal.

The US and the UK killed many people. That's a fact. However, those deaths were preventable because the targets always had the option of raising their hands and saying the magic words: we surrender. That's it. Nothing simpler.

Hitler's and Stalin's victims were not given that option. They would die for what they were, not for what they did. A Jewish girl clinging to her mother minutes before both would die did absolutely nothing to deserve it. Katyn was exactly the same except those were Polish men.

See the difference or do you want me to expand on this subject some more?

Yes, tell us about how the jews are the "chosen people".

the-savoisien.com/blog/index.php?post/William-Luther-Pierce-Genocide-at-Vinnytsia-Ukraine-in-1938

There are hundreds of thousands of documents spread across Europe telling the stories of the Holocaust. Do you think those are all falsified?

Also to answer any possible claim made by Holocaust deniers:

hdot.org/debunking-denial/

Just the one about the number 6 million.
It was much closer to half that but still..........

Such numbers are usually from one source and repeated so often that they become unchallengeable.
Like those 93% of all scientists and global warming.

Their is no respectable historian who would put the number below 5m victims, there is too many written evidence backing it up. Whether or not 5.5m or 6.5m were killed is up to debate, but the scale of the Holocaust does not really change either way.


Nonsense. There are few historical topics that have attracted so much attention from scholars like the Holocaust.

The 6 million Jews claim must be proven first and the word "Jew" defined. So, who is a Jew? And what is the source of 6 million?

"Scholars" doesn't mean squat. A nice grant will buy me all the scholars I will need to make the point I want to make. Like with global warming.

Whoever was deemed as Jewish by the Nazis.


This is actually a good example on how that does not work. Oil companies tried their best to bury the evidence, financing studies that tried to seed doubts but now global warming is accepted as a fact by the scientific community.

Holocaust denial is an exercise in futility. Because there is simply no denying the many written sources that describe it. Which is why no Holocaust denier has ever attempted this, since they know there is no good explanation as to how this could have been faked. We are talking about millions of documents, spread in various archives across all of Europe.

Letters from German soldiers to their families in which they allude to having seen mass killings in the woods. Private diaries in which they go into more details. Official division diaries in which the commander notes how they rounded up families which were suspected of being Jewish and executed them in the woods. Official letters to local authorities, telling them that the "evacuated" Jews to the Eastern Territories had perished. And so on.

How would they know that a guy is Jewish? Would you know that I am a Catholic?

@Tacitus
Why do you keep banging on about 'Holocaust deniers' in every one of your reply's ?
Nobody is denying the Holocaust.
It was a horrible nightmare.
The 6 million jews number is what is in question.

The biggest loser of civilians was Russians with over 13 million civilians that died because of WW2 compared to Poland's 5 million civilians and Germany's 3 million.

Where is their reparations ?
You don't hear them whining like the jews squeaky wheel.

You mean aside from Königsberg and the billions taken from the GDR as reparation?


But nowhere the extent you seem to believe


They usually checked birth certificates but if there was no documentation, particulary in Eastern Europe, they were likely to just kill anyone remotely suspected.

My bc doesn't say anything about me or my parents being Catholics.
How does one suspect what my religion is if I don't tell?


Again, as with being labeled a racist, there is no clear definition of "denier". If I claim that it was 5.5 million instead of 6, am I a denier or a modifier?

Yeah, because you were not born in Europe in the early 20th century.

The holohoax numbers have been changed so many times it's ridiculous... Back in the 50's schools in Europe taught it was 9-12 million.

Funny thing is that the Auschwitz death totals were adjusted in 1988 from 4 million down to 1 million, yet the "6 million" number was never proportionately adjusted.

Yeah gas chambers with wooden doors... makes total sense..