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Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland?


Novichok - | 1,898
9 Dec 2020 #241
Yeah, because you were not born in Europe in the early 20th century.

I was born during the German occupation of Poland, which, if anything it should be worse. To separate Jews from Catholics, Germans should be super diligent in labeling me as Catholic but they didn't.

Yeah gas chambers with wooden doors... makes total sense..

Before we discuss wooden doors, an honest approach to the Holocaust must include (1) the number of people who were brought by trains to Auschwitz, Treblinka, and similar places and (2) the real purpose.

Next (3) how many of them survived, and (4) what happened to those who didn't. That's where I would start if I could talk to one of the "deniers". I would allow 10 minutes to convince me that Auschwitz is just a hologram or at least a theatrical setup.
Tacitus 2 | 1,228
9 Dec 2020 #242
The idea that 4m people were murdered in Auschwitz had been put into question by Western historians in the early 1960s and debunked by the 1970s. It was the communist government who insisted on the number because they wanted to keep Auschwitz as the symbol of the Holocaust. The scale of the Holocaust was however never affected by this, since the number of victims of at leaat more than 5m is well supported by evidence. They were just not all murdered in KZs, but also decentrally by SS, Wehrmacht, Einsatzgruppen and so on.

On how the Nazis identified Jews:

aboutholocaust.org/en/facts/how-did-the-germans-know-who-was-jewish
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,714
9 Dec 2020 #243
at least a theatrical setup.

Well it is... it's a fact that Auschwitz was mostly destroyed and rebuild by the Soviets as a propoganda piece...

Furthermore, the International Red Cross which had access to numerous concentration camps and issued several reports which shows the holocaust industry figures are grossly exaggerated. And actually they gave positive reports on prisoner treatment and conditions. In fact, the Red Cross states only about 271k people died... and of course no mention of any gas chambers in their reports...

renegadetribune.com/international-red-cross-report-confirms-holocaust-six-million-jews-hoax/

What kind of "concentration camp" has swimming pools, orchestras, volleyball courts, etc? Sounds more like a resort...
Novichok - | 1,898
9 Dec 2020 #244
What kind of "concentration camp" has swimming pools, orchestras, volleyball courts,

Easy. A camp where the camp owners don't want the campers to panic and revolt.

it's a fact that Auschwitz was mostly destroyed and rebuild by the Soviets as a propaganda piece...

You just admitted that Auschwitz did exist. Why it was rebuilt and by whom is irrelevant.

You ignored my four points in 243, so let me try again. X were transported to Auschwitz. Y survived. Z=X-Y died. What are X and Y? Did Z die at the same rate as those on the outside? If not, how did Z die?

Simple questions, so no essays, please, including the last one.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,714
9 Dec 2020 #245
You just admitted that Auschwitz did exist. Why it was rebuilt and by whom is irrelevant.

I never said Auschwitz didn't exist. It definitely existed and was a camp to hold jews and others during a war. What I am saying is that there are numerous sources that prove the whole holocaust industry's claim that 6 million jews died is B.S.

X were transported to Auschwitz. Y survived. Z=X-Y died. What are X and Y?

No one knows those exact numbers. All we have is estimates. The International Red Cross in their reports said 52,000 died at Auschwitz. Both the Red Cross and East German government stated Red Cross and East German put total deaths at between 272.000, and 282,000 at all camps which includes everyone not just jews.

If you can find those exact numbers you'll be labeled a hero and given tons of money and fame, or you'll be criticized and even put in jail - it all depends on whether your numbers corroborate the 6 million claim or disprove it.

This six million claim is the longest running, most widespread and most expensive fraud ever perpetuated. It's sickening how many people have been affected by this claim - and to this day the jews demand that Poland pays up hundreds of billions of dollars for supposed complicity. Luckily, Poles have been around jews for centuries so we're privy to their tricks and b.s. and aren't falling for it. But unfortunately Germans, Americans, Swiss, etc. already have and continue to sacrifice billions of dollars and generations of brainwashed minds at the altar of the holocaust industry.
Novichok - | 1,898
9 Dec 2020 #246
It definitely existed and was a camp to hold jews and others during a war.

You are still dancing around the core questions: why they were placed there and how they died. What does "hold" mean? Is this some sick euphemism?

Parallel to those questions is this: There were 9.5 million Jews in 1939. How many were in Europe in 1946, adjusting for those who escaped to other continents?

If anything, there should be more due to the natural birth rate and the fact that Jews were not regular army combatants so their losses while fighting were relatively low.

This six million claim is the longest-running, most widespread, and most expensive fraud

Claiming that 6 is fraud without offering the correct number is intellectually dishonest.

So, what is the correct number of Jews who died in the 39 to 45 period because of the German activities. That includes starvation, diseases, and everything else Germans caused.

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