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Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2


hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
1 Oct 2011  #181
The Poles were last to throw off communism, not first.

Learn your history you dipstick. The first to fight-always, than again I suppose you know this that is why you are trolling.
Mr Grunwald 19 | 1,542
1 Oct 2011  #182
The fact is, is that the majority of Poles embraced communism after WWII

lol I wish I could look into your brain lol
KingAthelstan 9 | 142
1 Oct 2011  #183
there was never any armed uprising like in Prague or Hungary.
OP pawian 161 | 9,986
1 Oct 2011  #184
It was Poles who imprisoned Poles.

In late 1940s, Polish communist state developed its own secret police and yes, it was Poles who put other Poles behind bars for political reasons.

The fact is, is that the majority of Poles embraced communism after WWII.

Rubbish.

Whenever Russia wanted to put down a satellite they sent in the Poles (East Germany,1953, Hugary,1956 Czechoslovakia, 1968).

Complete rubbish.

The Poles were last to throw off communism, not first

Utter rubbish.

:):):)

Excellent chronology of Polish resistance. A big thank you from a non-Polish American from California...

I am glad to be of help. Yes, I like this thread too. It is so....inspiring. :):):):):)

Check my other favourite historical threads:
Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ?

Polish martyrology during WW2 - today`s monuments

The restoration of Polish cities from WW2 destruction

there was never any armed uprising like in Prague or Hungary.

Knowing impulsive Polish character, can you imagine the carnage that would have taken place in Poland if the nation had rebelled like Hungarians?
KingAthelstan 9 | 142
1 Oct 2011  #185
Knowing impulsive Polish character, can you imagine the carnage that would have taken place in Poland if the nation had rebelled like Hungarians?

clearly the Soviet troops in your country (I know they did some unsavoury things but...) they were not Nazis or else there would have been a rebellion.

If Russia had not won the war on the Eastern Front then there would be no Poland today, so maybe you should be more grateful to edit
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
1 Oct 2011  #186
clearly the Soviet troops in your country were not Nazis or else there would have been a rebellion.

The country was in ruins and the population exhausted, decimated and hungry. What sort of rebellion did you have in mind?

Now stop trolling and write something nice!
OP pawian 161 | 9,986
1 Oct 2011  #187
=KingAthelstan]clearly the Soviet troops in your country were not Nazis

No, they weren`t, indeed.

=KingAthelstan]If Russia had not won the war on the Eastern Front then there would be no Poland today,

You are wrong. In 1945 Americans successfully used atomic bombs against Japan. Today, Hiroshima and Nagasaki are symbols of mass destruction.

If Soviets hadn`t conquered/"liberated" Eastern Europe in 1945, Berlin and Frankfurt would have shared annihiliated Japanese cities` fate, too.

Poland would have been liberated by Western allies. Today, what would Poland be like if there hadn`t been communism here for 45 years?

Isn`t it obvious? :):):):):)
bberlin62 - | 38
1 Oct 2011  #188
[quote=pawian Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2[/quote]

and Poland should continue fighting as long as there is one communist bastard left in the country.
OP pawian 161 | 9,986
1 Oct 2011  #189
Namely who? :):):):)
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
1 Oct 2011  #190
as long as there is one communist bastard left in the country.

The little old ladies who turn out for the May Day parades are still communists. Not sure about the 'bastard' bit though - why not ask them?
bberlin62 - | 38
1 Oct 2011  #191
[quote=pawian Namely who? :):):):)[/quote]

just look around you, even on PF, there are more than enough of them too.
OP pawian 161 | 9,986
1 Oct 2011  #192
=bberlin62]just look around you, even on PF, there are more than enough of them too.

I can`t see any in PF. :):):):)
bberlin62 - | 38
1 Oct 2011  #193
I can't see any 'in" PF either but I see whole bunch of them on PF my friend. All those praising the Soviets and their army, for example.
OP pawian 161 | 9,986
1 Oct 2011  #194
My friend, praising the Soviets and their Red Army doesn`t make one a communist yet. :):):) There is still more to it.....

If things were so simple as you think, we would live much happier lives than we actually do..... :):):):)
KingAthelstan 9 | 142
1 Oct 2011  #195
Soviets and their army

Yes their army won the war in the East, quite possibly would have won the whole war. Had The soviets capitulated in 1941-2 then there is no guarantee that us and the Americans would have won the war.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,690
1 Oct 2011  #196
just look around you, even on PF, there are more than enough of them too.

Ah, that old Polish disease, the rantings about the imaginary Communists.

I prefer to deal with real Communists, like a certain political party which has a son of a turncoat traitor as a leader.
OP pawian 161 | 9,986
1 Oct 2011  #197
=delphiandomine]Ah, that old Polish disease, the rantings about the imaginary Communists.

Come on, this Bberlin guy, who said it, isn`t another PiS supporter! :):):):)

=bberlin62] just don't forget to tell everyone how great it was in Poland when it was practically a Soviet republic.

Sigh.....

Oh dear, there are good days and bad days. Good days are when I converse with intelligent people who know and love history.

E.g.,

vato loco - Excellent chronology of Polish resistance. A big thank you from a non-Polish American from California...

:):):):)

Bad days are when I confront guys like you. :)_:):):):0

But I will show you my class. Instead of abusing you, :):):):):):) I will tell you in simple words:
Poland wasn`t a Soviet republic, neither practically nor in theory. Just look through all the pages in this thread and hopefully, you will be able to understand what I mean.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,690
2 Oct 2011  #198
Poland wasn`t a Soviet republic, neither practically nor in theory.

Pawian, you might know this better than me - do you know if the Soviet idea of making Poland the 16th Republic of the USSR was ever seriously considered?
OP pawian 161 | 9,986
2 Oct 2011  #199
=delphiandomine]do you know if the Soviet idea of making Poland the 16th Republic of the USSR was ever seriously considered?

No, it wasn`t. Stalin was said to say the following during the war: Installing communism in Poland is like trying to saddle a cow.

It means he was sceptical. Quite right. :):):):) The first brick that fell off the communist wall was Poland in 1989. The thread proves that no other country in the block caused so much anti-communist ferment as Poland.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
2 Oct 2011  #200
The first brick that fell off the communist wall was Poland in 1989.

Exactly right, and as Margaret Thatcher so presciently observed and predicted. at 6:50 in the clip below.


OP pawian 161 | 9,986
2 Oct 2011  #201
Beautifully chilly speech for the Cold War times:
This government will give the highest priority to our national defence, both conventional and nuclear. [Applause]
:):):)
emha - | 92
2 Oct 2011  #202
This government will give the highest priority to our national defence, both conventional and nuclear. [Applause]

The best nuclear defence is a good nuclear offence :)
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
2 Oct 2011  #203
Beautifully chilly speech for the Cold War times:
This government will give the highest priority to our national defence, both conventional and nuclear. [Applause]
:):):)

My sentiments exactly, that iron lady was definitely something(:
I love how in 7:29 she parodies her opponents about their policies and support for unilateral disarmament, hilarious, her dry sense of humor and deadpan delivery made it all the more funnier lol.
Madzik - | 3
20 Dec 2011  #204
Apologies if this is a breach of forum etiquette, but I feel like 'faking' the three posts required before a private message is allowed would be worse. There is a photograph in this thread, posted by Pawian here polishforums.com/history-poland-34/communism-fell-years-ago-poland-led -fight-since-ww-35430/2/#msg704478 which I would really like to use on my budding blog about Poland.

I discovered this forum through an image search for that particular photo, I will definitely likely stick around, because this is a very interesting place, but I am in a bit of a hurry to get permission to use the photo before Christmas.

Pawian, could we talk about this? I am tymian AT gmail

I don't know if linking to the blog is okay since it's my first post, so I won't for now in case it's considered spam.
OP pawian 161 | 9,986
20 Dec 2011  #205
/#msg704478

I can`t help you. There are only 212 messages in this thread so far.
Madzik - | 3
20 Dec 2011  #206
pawian
Well, that's strange...I took that link from the permalink icon next to the post. A copy-paste. No idea why it would suddenly point to a 404.

I'm talking about this picture: homepage.mac.com/zbigniew/past_present/1985_stan_wojenny/popieluszko_k alinaa.jpg

Though, obviously, since writing this post, I noticed the image was hotlinked from another site, so I backtracked to the page it was taken from- I don't know if it's your page or not? I sent an email to the owner with the same request :)

Maybe I am asking the wrong person.
OP pawian 161 | 9,986
20 Dec 2011  #207
If you mean this site, homepage.mac.com/zbigniew/stan_wojenny_007.html
then you should turn to its owner/author.
Madzik - | 3
20 Dec 2011  #208
That's what I did. Thanks! I had just assumed the photo belonged to you, at first.
Havok 10 | 912
20 Dec 2011  #209
@ pawian

Awesome post.

Thank you.
OP pawian 161 | 9,986
20 Jul 2012  #210
Sht on young Poles / Let all Europe know / That sh!tting is the only / Freedom you have got.

Yes, thanks.

In 1980s painting anti-government slogans on street walls in bigger cities was very popular

Government`s plans mean famine!

Poland famine by government

TV lies!

Poland TV lies

A Pole did it to another Pole

Pole against Pole

fakty.interia.pl/galerie/historia/stan-wojenny-w-polsce/zdjecie,1566143

Solidarity fights on

Poland Boycott

Federation of Fighting Youth

Even sidewalks were not immune

Curfew art

but they got painted over very quickly by communist henchmen, producing such result:

Poland transcription

and then slogans or symbols reappeared like that:

We shall revenge Rulewski

Poland solidarity

Some pieces of those murals are being preserved today as precious keepsakes from the past.

Poland original

I have been on PF for a little while now and I have seen some very good discussions about Poland.

Pawian reporting to work!!!!!

Dedication is my middle name!!!!

Visits of American presidents in Poland were an excellent opportunity for Poles (Warsawians and Cracovians) to exhibit their reluctance to communism.

How?

Communist authorities tried to discourage Warsaw/Krakow residents from going into streets and cheering for American presidents. It just wasn`t fair that American presidents received a warm welcome while top Soviet leaders visiting Poland usually got a cold shoulder from Poles.

To no avail.

Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford and Jimmie Carter got a standing ovation from Warsawians/Krakovians despite communist rulers` attempts and orders.

Richard Nixon, 1972

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Gerald Ford, 1975
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PS. None of those American Presidents questioned the Jalta agreements which condemned Poland to remain under the Soviet domination.

May 31, 1972, back from Moscow, the president of the US Richard Nixon stopped for two days for talks in Warsaw.

It was the first ever visit of US President-in-Office in Poland. Nixon came to the Polish way back from Russia. It was the second of his stay in our country - in 1959 he met with Wladyslaw Gomulka.

During his visit to Warsaw Nixon visited the Old Town and Wilanów, also laid a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Theme of the hour and a half conversation with Edward Gierek were economic issues - including purchase of licenses and granting Poland the US loans.


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anti-government street demonstrations organized by underground Solidarity









I think I haven`t written about it.

In 1981 Polish Solidarity issued a message to all working people in communist countries.

Message of the First Congress of NSZZ "Solidarity" Delegates to working people in Eastern Europe
Gdansk, 8 September 1981

Delegates gathered in Gdańsk at the 1st Congress of Delegates of the Independent Self-Governing Trade Union "Solidarity" extend greetings and words of support to workers of


parevo.eu/index.php/en/tortenelem/dokumentumok/szolidaritas

The message enraged authorities in Poland and other communist countries. The British film "Squaring the Circle" from 1984 shows it nicely ( pity, I cannot find it) There is a scene when top Polish communists read the message and get furious. However, after studying it more carefully and seeing Albania on the list, they start laughing and cannot stop.

Why???? :)

Poland solidarnosc


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