Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2

Learn your history you dipstick. The first to fight-always, than again I suppose you know this that is why you are trolling.

lol I wish I could look into your brain lol

there was never any armed uprising like in Prague or Hungary.

In late 1940s, Polish communist state developed its own secret police and yes, it was Poles who put other Poles behind bars for political reasons.


Rubbish.


Complete rubbish.


Utter rubbish.

:):):)


I am glad to be of help. Yes, I like this thread too. It is so....inspiring. :):):):):)

Check my other favourite historical threads:
Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ?

Polish martyrology during WW2 - today`s monuments

The restoration of Polish cities from WW2 destruction


Knowing impulsive Polish character, can you imagine the carnage that would have taken place in Poland if the nation had rebelled like Hungarians?

clearly the Soviet troops in your country (I know they did some unsavoury things but...) they were not Nazis or else there would have been a rebellion.

If Russia had not won the war on the Eastern Front then there would be no Poland today, so maybe you should be more grateful to edit

The country was in ruins and the population exhausted, decimated and hungry. What sort of rebellion did you have in mind?

Now stop trolling and write something nice!

No, they weren`t, indeed.


You are wrong. In 1945 Americans successfully used atomic bombs against Japan. Today, Hiroshima and Nagasaki are symbols of mass destruction.

If Soviets hadn`t conquered/"liberated" Eastern Europe in 1945, Berlin and Frankfurt would have shared annihiliated Japanese cities` fate, too.

Poland would have been liberated by Western allies. Today, what would Poland be like if there hadn`t been communism here for 45 years?

Isn`t it obvious? :):):):):)

[quote=pawian Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2[/quote]

and Poland should continue fighting as long as there is one communist bastard left in the country.

Namely who? :):):):)

The little old ladies who turn out for the May Day parades are still communists. Not sure about the 'bastard' bit though - why not ask them?

[quote=pawian Namely who? :):):):)[/quote]

just look around you, even on PF, there are more than enough of them too.

I can`t see any in PF. :):):):)

I can't see any 'in" PF either but I see whole bunch of them on PF my friend. All those praising the Soviets and their army, for example.

My friend, praising the Soviets and their Red Army doesn`t make one a communist yet. :):):) There is still more to it.....

If things were so simple as you think, we would live much happier lives than we actually do..... :):):):)

Yes their army won the war in the East, quite possibly would have won the whole war. Had The soviets capitulated in 1941-2 then there is no guarantee that us and the Americans would have won the war.

Ah, that old Polish disease, the rantings about the imaginary Communists.

I prefer to deal with real Communists, like a certain political party which has a son of a turncoat traitor as a leader.

Come on, this Bberlin guy, who said it, isn`t another PiS supporter! :):):):)


Sigh.....

Oh dear, there are good days and bad days. Good days are when I converse with intelligent people who know and love history.

E.g.,


:):):):)

Bad days are when I confront guys like you. :)_:):):):0

But I will show you my class. Instead of abusing you, :):):):):):) I will tell you in simple words:
Poland wasn`t a Soviet republic, neither practically nor in theory. Just look through all the pages in this thread and hopefully, you will be able to understand what I mean.

Pawian, you might know this better than me - do you know if the Soviet idea of making Poland the 16th Republic of the USSR was ever seriously considered?

No, it wasn`t. Stalin was said to say the following during the war: Installing communism in Poland is like trying to saddle a cow.

It means he was sceptical. Quite right. :):):):) The first brick that fell off the communist wall was Poland in 1989. The thread proves that no other country in the block caused so much anti-communist ferment as Poland.

Exactly right, and as Margaret Thatcher so presciently observed and predicted. at 6:50 in the clip below.

Beautifully chilly speech for the Cold War times:
This government will give the highest priority to our national defence, both conventional and nuclear. [Applause]
:):):)

The best nuclear defence is a good nuclear offence :)

My sentiments exactly, that iron lady was definitely something(:
I love how in 7:29 she parodies her opponents about their policies and support for unilateral disarmament, hilarious, her dry sense of humor and deadpan delivery made it all the more funnier lol.

Apologies if this is a breach of forum etiquette, but I feel like 'faking' the three posts required before a private message is allowed would be worse. There is a photograph in this thread, posted by Pawian here polishforums.com/history-poland-34/communism-fell-years-ago-poland-led -fight-since-ww-35430/2/#msg704478 which I would really like to use on my budding blog about Poland.

I discovered this forum through an image search for that particular photo, I will definitely likely stick around, because this is a very interesting place, but I am in a bit of a hurry to get permission to use the photo before Christmas.

Pawian, could we talk about this? I am tymian AT gmail

I don't know if linking to the blog is okay since it's my first post, so I won't for now in case it's considered spam.

I can`t help you. There are only 212 messages in this thread so far.

pawian
Well, that's strange...I took that link from the permalink icon next to the post. A copy-paste. No idea why it would suddenly point to a 404.

I'm talking about this picture: homepage.mac.com/zbigniew/past_present/1985_stan_wojenny/popieluszko_k alinaa.jpg

Though, obviously, since writing this post, I noticed the image was hotlinked from another site, so I backtracked to the page it was taken from- I don't know if it's your page or not? I sent an email to the owner with the same request :)

Maybe I am asking the wrong person.

If you mean this site, homepage.mac.com/zbigniew/stan_wojenny_007.html
then you should turn to its owner/author.

That's what I did. Thanks! I had just assumed the photo belonged to you, at first.

@ pawian

Awesome post.

Thank you.

Yes, thanks.

In 1980s painting anti-government slogans on street walls in bigger cities was very popular

Government`s plans mean famine!



TV lies!



A Pole did it to another Pole



fakty.interia.pl/galerie/historia/stan-wojenny-w-polsce/zdjecie,1566143

Solidarity fights on

Poland Boycott

Federation of Fighting Youth

Even sidewalks were not immune



but they got painted over very quickly by communist henchmen, producing such result:

Poland transcription

and then slogans or symbols reappeared like that:

We shall revenge Rulewski



Some pieces of those murals are being preserved today as precious keepsakes from the past.




Pawian reporting to work!!!!!

Dedication is my middle name!!!!

Visits of American presidents in Poland were an excellent opportunity for Poles (Warsawians and Cracovians) to exhibit their reluctance to communism.

How?

Communist authorities tried to discourage Warsaw/Krakow residents from going into streets and cheering for American presidents. It just wasn`t fair that American presidents received a warm welcome while top Soviet leaders visiting Poland usually got a cold shoulder from Poles.

To no avail.

Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford and Jimmie Carter got a standing ovation from Warsawians/Krakovians despite communist rulers` attempts and orders.

Richard Nixon, 1972







Gerald Ford, 1975
Warsaw

Krakow





PS. None of those American Presidents questioned the Jalta agreements which condemned Poland to remain under the Soviet domination.

May 31, 1972, back from Moscow, the president of the US Richard Nixon stopped for two days for talks in Warsaw.

It was the first ever visit of US President-in-Office in Poland. Nixon came to the Polish way back from Russia. It was the second of his stay in our country - in 1959 he met with Wladyslaw Gomulka.

During his visit to Warsaw Nixon visited the Old Town and Wilanów, also laid a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Theme of the hour and a half conversation with Edward Gierek were economic issues - including purchase of licenses and granting Poland the US loans.



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I think I haven`t written about it.

In 1981 Polish Solidarity issued a message to all working people in communist countries.

Message of the First Congress of NSZZ "Solidarity" Delegates to working people in Eastern Europe
Gdansk, 8 September 1981

Delegates gathered in Gdańsk at the 1st Congress of Delegates of the Independent Self-Governing Trade Union "Solidarity" extend greetings and words of support to workers of

parevo.eu/index.php/en/tortenelem/dokumentumok/szolidaritas

The message enraged authorities in Poland and other communist countries. The British film "Squaring the Circle" from 1984 shows it nicely ( pity, I cannot find it) There is a scene when top Polish communists read the message and get furious. However, after studying it more carefully and seeing Albania on the list, they start laughing and cannot stop.

Why???? :)