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Battle of Vienna - history movie about Poland / Commemoration


polonius 54 | 420
8 Oct 2012  #1
A long-awaited blockbuster showing teh triumph of Christan europe over the invading Muslim hordes goes on release this Friday in Poland and dozens of other countries as well. Not a good review from one of the viewers though:

1683, one of the few dates in the rich history of Polish waking so much excitement and pride in that we tek a rich and colorful history that makes us mega pride, on the other hand, looking at the film Battle of Vienna begin to ask questions about what's going on with this film whether it is a pastiche of a movie or the director crossed the fine line that I can safely identify a total farce combined with infantile cinema . So fantastic about it! so fantastically spoil ? already in itself is a feat truly admirable . I 'm sorry that I can not write about the qualities and positive aspects of this film because it is kept in a climate of total trash with a combination of hopeless acting, even though I have for great esteem Piotr Adamczyk I can not even find a single positive in this film and I've tried .
pawian 159 | 9,515
8 Oct 2012  #2
triumph of Christan europe over the invading Muslim hordes

Do you think it implies allusion to our times?
TommyG 1 | 361
8 Oct 2012  #3
Well, I for one am going to see it. I keep seeing the "Bitwa pod Wiedniem" posters everywhere. Now all I need is a date, lol:)
pawian 159 | 9,515
10 Oct 2012  #4
Sorry, guys, I have bad news for you. It is another crap, even worse than 1920 Battle of Warsaw.

The reviewer is relentless- the film doesn`t even meet TV standards for so many reasons I can`t enumarate them all, but you can read about them here:

One of them is low-budget special effects -e.g., the animated charge of Polish winged riders resembles a cheap PC game.

Do you think it implies allusion to our times?

Funny, I guessed correctly, the film carries a strong political message after all, among others its English title is September 11 1683, while the actual battle took place on 12 Sep.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
10 Oct 2012  #5
It is another crap

No surprise. The wave of garbage "patriotic" films at the minute is really depressing, especially considering the amount of talent that Poland has produced throughout the years. Surely they can do better than this?

Funny, the film carries a strong political message after all, among others its English title is September 11 1683, while the actual battle took place on 12 Sep.

Ugh. Needless.
pawian 159 | 9,515
10 Oct 2012  #6
The wave of garbage "patriotic" films at the minute is really depressing, especially considering the amount of talent that Poland has produced throughout the years.

But the film isn`t Polish production. There are a few Polish actors in it, that`s all. It seems an Italian venture, the director is Italian.

PS. The reviewer`s rating: 0/10 :):):):)
TommyG 1 | 361
11 Oct 2012  #7
PS. The reviewer`s rating: 0/10 :):):):)

Well it won't be the first time a film has been slated. Let's watch the film first and then make our comments after. I'm certainly not expecting it to be a patch on films like Excalibur, Zulu or Waterloo. Everyone has different tastes in films, which is a good thing:) For example, I PMPL everytime I see something like Job or Dzien Swira, but I except that many people just wouldn't 'get it'. As long as I enjoy it, that's what counts:)
1jola 14 | 1,879
11 Oct 2012  #8
Surely they can do better than this?

Wajda is making a film about the paid snitch TW Bolek. That should please you.

I know what you would like though. I warm love story about Bloody Luna. It would be somewhat less patriotic but more to your liking. I've read you are interested in this period of our history now.
Harry
11 Oct 2012  #9
Wajda is making a film about the paid snitch TW Bolek. That should please you. I know what you would like though.

Rather than a film libeling a Polish hero, I'd like to see a film about the Polish traitors who betrayed their country by joining the armed forces of nations which were ready to destroy Poland. Isn't there be an interesting film to be made about the men who sold out their country for a fistful of dollars and were ready to nuke it any time their new masters told them to?
OP polonius 54 | 420
11 Oct 2012  #10
Do you think it implies allusion to our times?

The hordes are already here (in the US and Western Europe). Poland (being the backward country that it is) is still a relatively safe haven from militant Islam. It should join the 'modern' global world (as so many on PF seem the be advocating) and not only turn Warsaw into a poor man's Amsterdam but throw open the floodgates to Arab immigration. Soon Poland would be just as 'modern' and happly (?) as the West!
Harry
11 Oct 2012  #11
The hordes are already here

Always a laugh to see an American immigrant complaining about immigration!
Rysavy 10 | 308
11 Oct 2012  #12
Sorry, guys, I have bad news for you. It is another crap, even worse than 1920 Battle of Warsaw.

Do you have suggestions for better? (I have ALWAYS -as in since old enough for 'read me a story' and like the illustrations- loved the imagery of hussars..ESPECIALLY Polish Winged Cavalry)
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
11 Oct 2012  #13
It is another crap, even worse than 1920 Battle of Warsaw.

Worse ? I thought it's not possible.
pawian 159 | 9,515
11 Oct 2012  #14
It is. 1920 is at least a real movie while 1683 is mostly animation.

Another revies says that the film is unbelievable crap, and sets a new record in the category of worst films ever.

If the " work" of this caliber , what movie Renzo Martinelli made ​​a Polish film director, not obyłoby without a public lynching . Because to say that the "Battle of Vienna" is a bad film , it does not say anything . Such a dose of kitsch and obłąkańczych unimaginable creator's vision will not find in memory.

120 days of shooting , 250 crew members from 11 countries , 10,000 extras and ... a total fiasco . The fact that the well is not already informed trailers, but that 's not so bad , can be seen only after seeing the whole. "Battle of Vienna" - Italian- Polish - Turkish co-production for 50 million zł (approximately 12.5 million) this oddity so unusual that in order to fully assess the size you need , unfortunately, to see them. Otherwise hard to believe.

OP polonius 54 | 420
18 Oct 2012  #15
Haven't seen it yet, but I gather from soem reviews that it is obivous the film was not directed by a Pole or based on a Polish script.. Poles would have focused on Sobieski and his triumphant victoria, while this version shows things through to eyes of an Italian monk. Too bad Poland can't afford to make more of its own historical blockbusters. Even if tecnically and budgetwise they're not on par with Spielberg stuff, at least they project a Polish viewpoint.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
18 Oct 2012  #16
at least they project a Polish viewpoint.

Films are not made to show a Polish viewpoint. They are made to make money and to have a return on investment.
thetenminuteman 1 | 80
24 Feb 2013  #17
It's still based on wealth, there obviously is a wealth threshold the parents must cross before they can consider private education even for the more affordable schools.

Not necessarily, as many of the best schools offer full academic scholarships. I know someone who got one to Eton, for instance.
Barney 14 | 1,469
25 Feb 2013  #18
I know someone who got one to Eton, for instance.

The battle of Vienna was won on the playing fields of Eton:)

Related conversation:

Battle of Vienna (where Jan III Sobieski saved Europe) commemoration hijacked

The annual commemoration of the 1683 Battle of Vienna - where Jan III Sobieski saved Europe from a Muslim invasion - was this year hijacked by the smolenkist bigotists.

Why they cannot stay on Krakowskie Przedmieście? Will soon every Polish commemoration around the globe be polluted by their weird antics?
opole.gazeta.pl/opole/1,35086,12458197,Polski_bogoojczyzniany_skansen_pod_Wiedniem.html

It says they were cranks connected to Gazeta Polska. The bit about a little morning exorcism while drinking coffee or shaving is surreal.

Why is it surreal??
I f you do not believe in God, Salvation of Jesus Christ then that is okay for you to say,
However for Catholics and Christians overall exoricisms are a reality...
Tell me a Christian woukd believe that Jesus Christ, God and a man in one would die on The Cross and then come back from the Dead yet not belive the Exorcisms,,,

You know there's a saying that I know:
"The Greatest Victory of the Satan was to fool people that he doesn't exist"

I did my gymnasium and lyceum studies under the very stern eye of Jesuit priests. I never heard these nonsense there.
That said and done, why these people cannot stay in their namiot?


Handing out photostats encouraging people to do a little morning exorcism while shaving is far from normal. Those loons were also getting all het up about a national sin of allowing communion in the hand and women working for the church. Bizarre.


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