Karol Wojtyla, the man who become a pope (video)

@pawian
Mother Teresa was an "Angei of the Death" and a "Saint" in one. Not everybody can understand it or can you understand?

Believed suffering was a virtue. Nevertheless, she helped a lot of people.

JPII was similarly a figure with pluses and minuses.

@Paw, I said he was the people's pope, I never said which people nor that he was perfect!:-)

This thread is about the Pope, not MT. Stick to the topic. :):):)


I don`t understand what you are writing now. :):):)


:):):) You manipulator! :):):):)

Independent theologians, academic clergy, experts on the Church etc agree the facts about Wojtyla are true.

tvn24.pl/polska/karol-wojtyla-wiedzial-o-pedofilii-nie-mozna-przekreslac-dorobku-jana-pawla-ii-ale-jego-biografie-trzeba-napisac-na-nowo-6806526

Professor Alfred Wierzbicki, a philosopher and ethicist from the Maria Curie-Skłodowska University in Lublin, and Zuzanna Radzik, a theologian, publicist and columnist of "Tygodnik Powszechny", discussed this topic in Tuesday's "Fakty po Faktach" on TVN24.

Fr. Wierzbicki assessed that "Marcin Gutowski's reportage is reliable, based on facts, on conversations with victims of rape by pedophile priests."

- I would not agree with such a categorical assessment that Karol Wojtyła covered up - however, the TVN24 guest remarked - I think you have to make a distinction here: he drew consequences, but those consequences were not enough. Turns out he was a man of his time. First of all, however, he was characterized by a clerical mentality, he took the side of priests more, maybe he wanted to be, in accordance with his episcopal duty, but narrowly understood, a father for his subordinate priests, but he did not see the victims - he argued.

- I was most shocked by one episode of this film, that is a letter from Cardinal Wojtyła to another cardinal, to a cardinal in Vienna. He referred to Wojtyła's letter to Cardinal Franz Koenig, in which the Krakow hierarch concealed the real reason for transferring one of the clergy.

Fr. Wierzbicki added that "perhaps they had talked earlier, the Cardinal from Vienna found out (the truth - editor's note), we don't know that." - But if a cardinal actually writes to another cardinal simply lying or telling half the truth, concealing the truth, it shocked me the most - he noted.

He also added that he thought "to himself yesterday evening that you cannot cross out the achievements of John Paul II, Karol Wojtyła in this way, but his biography really needs to be rewritten now, when we also see some character traits."

Was this not mentioned when his cause for canonisation was going through?

"Manipulator"? I ?! Why pawianku, whatever gave you that idea?

:):) Coz first you called him the people`s pope, like Diana was the people`s princess. And then when I mentioned he completely disregarded victims who fully belonged to people`s category, you said you hadn`t specified which people you meant. :):):) That was sort of Jesuit order style of thinking, and they were known for manipulation and double standards. :):)

Wojtyla, like Francis, was bound by the rules of the papacy. Surely he did not defend child molestation!

Molestation - no. But molesters - yes. And that is why we have such a big problem today.

PiS amassing clowning continues. Can you imagine that after American-owned TVN24 channel aired the programme about Wojtyla`s silence, PiS summoned the US ambassador to the Polish Foreign Office???? hahahahaha

Incredible azholes those PiS are.

With such an explanation:

"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs recognizes that the potential effects of these actions are the same as the goals of a hybrid war aimed at leading to divisions and tensions in Polish society."

This means that PiS expects the media to keep silent about Wojtyla`s approving silence over the multiple cases of pedophilia in the Polish Church. Amassing.

They invited him to dinner.🍗🍲🦞

The defence of JP2 consists of total rejection of all accusations and allegations that he protected pedo clergy and did nothing to protect their victims.

Defence 1:
PiS party: they are going to start a veritable crusade to defend JP2. They hope it will help them win the autumn elections.

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Defence 2

Fanatic soccer fans put this banner on display during a recent match. It is curious coz in 2005 when the Pope died the main rivaling fan groups declared an armistice on their silly conflicts. They broke it a few months later and resumed fighting in stadiums and streets. :):):)

Hands off JP2!!!

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@pawian

You really do not understand football fans do you?

@Miloslaw
He is the type of man who sees aggression as evil, (which is masculine and okey as long as it is controlled). Due to his view of controlling anyone (himself included I guess?) also as evil, he tries to fight anything masculine and promotes feminism and matriarchy. So what's so surprising about it

Ha,ha, my last congress was titled "Handheld". 👋

Yes, the biggest problem is aggression tends to get out of control easily and things escalate beyond all limits. That is why there are a few fatal incidents resulting from aggressive football fans feuds each year.


Yes, you should adopt them as soon as possible, it will spare you a lot of frustration in life. We can see that you are deeply troubled. :):):)

World War II. A young German soldier catches a suspicious Pole and escorts him to the nearest Gestapo station. Suddenly the heavens open, and from there the voice of God is heard:

- Let that Pole go!
- And why is that?
- This is Karol Wojtyla, his fate is destined, he will be the Pope!
- Wow! And me?
- Well, okay, and you too!

:):)
Really wayward of Her.

And you will be the Pope too and even the second retired Pope ever.

The demo in support of JPII today in Nowy Targ, a town where religion is still treated seriously by Highlanders:

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If the Pope lived today, would he support killing migrants at the border??? What do you think???

@pawian
A shepherd is responsible for his sheep! I have a hard time imagining him advocating to not strike at wolves to protect his flock!

Unless one thinks of one's own soldiers as wolves! Admit it! You think badly of Polish soldiers and policemen cause of the 80's in Poland and their support of PiS! It's all just politics for you!

It means you know nothing about the Polish Pope. He always rejected the violent measures and advocated peaceful solutions. That is why Solidarity didn`t resort to violence in their fight against communism.

@pawian
Then you weren't part of the combatant part of solidarity then! I simply expect responsibility regarding the safety and security of the are that the Polish states main responsibility is and should be the sole purpose of! You and your gang are dismantling the Polish state infront of everybody's eyes! Good job huh? "Great Catherine" would been VERY proud of you!

While you were - in your mother`s womb! hahahaha