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Famous Russian Poles


southern  73 | 7059
21 Dec 2008   #122
Balkans remain the dynamite one way or another.
I heard that in Russia the protesters were crashed.Greeks have really anarchist feelings,they don't like to be ruled,foreigners have known that.
OP Sasha  2 | 1083
21 Dec 2008   #123


Szkliarski Edmund Mechislavovich/Шклярский Эдмунд Мечиславович (26 September 1955, Leningrad, the USSR)
Poet, musician, composer, artist, has also a degree in building of atomic boilers, considered as one of the fathers of so-called "Russian rock". The most famous representative of "psychodelic rock" in Russia. The leader of famous Russian rock-band "Piknik" (Picnic) URL.

Speaks Polish and Russian, sing in Russian but some say he has some songs in Polish (I haven't heard of any though).
His personal blog: qazimodo.ru/blog
The example of his painting:



Video:
Prince  15 | 590
21 Dec 2008   #124
Sorry me Prince, but I cannot agree with you. May be you are denying the fact that Poland had been near death long before Russian interference, and the prime causes of the decline were within Polish borders.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Liberty

Golden Liberty (Latin: Aurea Libertas; Polish: Złota Wolność), sometimes referred to as Golden Freedoms, Nobles' Democracy or Nobles' Commonwealth (Polish: Rzeczpospolita Szlachecka or Złota Wolność, Latin: áurea libertas) refers to a unique aristocratic political system in the Kingdom of Poland and later, after the Union of Lublin (1569), in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Under that system, all nobles (szlachta) who held immediate estates were equal and enjoyed extensive rights and privileges. The nobility controlled the legislature (Sejm - the Polish Parliament) and the Commonwealth's elected king.

democracy, since all the szlachta were equal in rights and privileges, and the Sejm could veto the king on important matters, including legislation (the adoption of new laws), foreign affairs, declaration of war, and taxation (changes of existing taxes or the levying of new ones).Also, the 10% of Commonwealth population who enjoyed those political rights (the szlachta) was a substantially larger percentage than in any other European country; note that in 1831 in France only about 1% of the population had the right to vote, and in 1867 in the United Kingdom, only about 3%;

It was the problem ....

With majority of szlachta, believing that they live in the perfect state, too few questioned the Golden Liberty and the Sarmatism philosophy, until it was too late.

Well Poland was much different than Russia (as always) but I was refering to the economical situation.

It is fact that where Russians introduce their absoltists rule ... there is regres ...

Only gas helps you in your insufficient system. Unfortunately some parts of Poland looks different and in the past were much richer it is result of introducing your visions...

Prince if I were you, I'd better start with the mention of so-called smuta and guys like Minin&Pozharski.

Our politicians don't have official doctrine saying that in 20 years times "Gas and pipelines are going to be like panzer divisions"

Russia is a big and multiethnical. One may be against despot rulers two others may be for.

That is why in my opinion you don't need more ethnic groups in your country :)

However I believe things are to change in the next 20-30 years.

I hope so. As you know Poles are very likely to help you in such changes :)

Starina Zbiggi is a blatant Russphobe

He is realist when it comes to Russia.
Borrka  37 | 592
22 Dec 2008   #125
Unlike polish dog-like names, Russians ascends very deep in roman and greek history.

Not that I expect any kind of good manners from our Russian friends... but I have just realised Kostik means Polish Slavic names !
Rather funny that Moscovites pretending to be most Slavic of all Slavs don't even understand this tradition.
Beautiful names used from Montenegro to Poland are absolutely unfamiliar to Russian wannabe Slavs !

Refering to Roman and Greek tradition looks ridicoulus as well.
I would rather suggest names like Baatarsuch, Naranchuu, Ojun, Czuchalchuu etc.
Ojun Ivanov sounds great.
Same for Bjamba Putin.
ConstantineK  26 | 1298
22 Dec 2008   #126
Are these names Russians? Never have heard them!
David_18  65 | 966
25 Dec 2008   #127
I like jews, poles and russians. Stop hate!!

We slavs are so mixed, so if we hate each other we hate our own family. AND YES JEWS are part of our slavic family, live with it nananan!!!!!!!
Seanus  15 | 19666
25 Dec 2008   #128
So, love Jews and Russians seems to be the message :)
OP Sasha  2 | 1083
25 Dec 2008   #129
He is realist when it comes to Russia.

I called him a "Russophobe" implied that his reasoning on Russia has never had anything with reality. Nowadays US is the agressor as the USSR used to be with the only difference that their "Poles" are Serbs, Iraquies etc... Quite hypocritically of you that you support them (to say nothing that it's not very smart).

I like jews, poles and russians. Stop hate!!

We slavs are so mixed, so if we hate each other we hate our own family. AND YES JEWS are part of our slavic family, live with it nananan!!!!!!!

With all respect... Jews are not Russians.
Seanus  15 | 19666
25 Dec 2008   #130
Many Jews are of Russian descent tho, Sasha.
ConstantineK  26 | 1298
25 Dec 2008   #131
Russian cannot be a jew, but Jew certainly may be Russian.
OP Sasha  2 | 1083
25 Dec 2008   #132
Many Jews are of Russian descent tho, Sasha.

There're lots of them of British and Germanic tribe. But this fact doesn't make them relate to those categories. Most of them live not in Israel but in the US. This doesn't make them Americans either... Jews are jews.

Their impact particularly in the last century on Russian history was... let's put it "ambiguous". That's probably why many Russians have mixed feelings about that...

Russian cannot be a jew, but Jew certainly may be Russian

That's a profound thought. :)
Seanus  15 | 19666
25 Dec 2008   #133
Ambivalent was probably a better word, Sasha

Profound indeed!
ConstantineK  26 | 1298
25 Dec 2008   #134
Frankly speaking, I am recalling Mr. Berezvski, who once proclaimed himself Cossak's chief. He-he...
southern  73 | 7059
26 Dec 2008   #135
Yes Russianess is much more hardcore than Jewness.
Puzzler  9 | 1088
26 Dec 2008   #136
Another famous Russian of Polish origin is the novelist Fyodor Dostoyevsky. He was also a venomous Polonophobe - negative remarks about the Poles and Poland can be found in quite a few of his books, e.g. Crime and Punishment, The Gambler, The Karamazov Brothers. That's why, after my initial great interest, I stopped reading him at all. Actually, today I value Lev (Leo) Tolstoy much higher than Dostoyevsky or Chekhov (the latter is another Polonophobe). Tolstoy was at first a bit Polonophobic but eventually changed his attitude into a friendly and compassionate one (see e.g. "Hadji Murat," Tolstoy's last work). Another famous Russian of Polish origin is the great Romantic poet and short story writer Mikhail Lermontov, author of the magnificent Hero of Our Time. His family, the Lermonts, were originally Poles of Scottish extraction (this is mentioned, if I remember it right, in Norman Davies's God's Playground. A History of Poland.) Cheers, guys.

:)
Crow  154 | 9319
26 Dec 2008   #137
interesting infos. Thanks
Puzzler  9 | 1088
26 Dec 2008   #138
As we all know from the Kopernikus discussion everybody stemming from what is now Poland (even centuries back) HAS TO BE POLISH! :)

- Well, Kopernik was born in Poland, one of his parents was Polish (the other, true, was of your bunch), and he fought against your wonderful nation, so we have a point in regarding him as a Pole. I don't mind if you regard him as one of yours - but mind that he didn't seem to like the Germans too much. :) Who allegedly thinks that "everybody stemming from what is now Poland (even centuries back) HAS TO BE POLISH"? It seems it's you, nazi creep, who are trying to ascribe this statement to us. Hehe, your greatest philosopher, Friedrich Nietzche, considered himself Polish (of the noble Nickis family) and had an extremely negative opinion of the Germans. Would you give us your kind permission to regard him as a Pole, or not? How does it taste to regard such a virulent Germanophobe as Nietzche as German?

:)
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11821
26 Dec 2008   #139
Well...he was a crazy guy....must have been his "polishness" in him.
I wonder though if he spoke one word polish or which "great" Poles educated and inspired him...I know of no one, do you?

Curios, brilliant minds like Dostoyevsky an Checkov knew you and couldn't stand you (becoming polonophobes after your own words) and a Friedrich Nietsche has no idea at all about you at all and seems to like you...LOL

Missed the stink you are farting Pussy! Where were you so long???
Matyjasz  2 | 1543
26 Dec 2008   #140
Ha-ha! You make me laugh! Do you expect that your son will be a horse? No way! Listen to me, don't make his future life terrible, name him Ioann instead. Nice name.

Ioann, eh? Thanks Kostia. I shall consider it when naming my daughter. ;)
Puzzler  9 | 1088
26 Dec 2008   #141
Well...he was a crazy guy....must have been his "polishness" in him.
I wonder though if he spoke one word polish or which "great" Poles educated and inspired him...I know of no one, do you?

Curios, brilliant minds like Dostoyevsky an Checkov knew you and didn't like you (becoming polonophobes after your own words) and a Friedrich Nietsche has no idea at all and seems to like you...LOL

- What an ignorant, slow-witted nazi nincompoop. - Nietzche had syphilis which, as I understand, he contracted in Germany, from a German woman or man. (By the way, does the German government still encourage unemployed German women to work as prostitutes?) So according to you, Nietzche spoke some Polish, or not? You seem to suggest he didn't. Prove. Do you allege 'a Friedrich Nietzche has no idea at all' (sic) what the Poles are like? Prove. Well, if such an inquisitive mind as 'a Nietzche' took pride in his being Polish, this seems to mean he knew what he was talking of. Dostoyevsky was a Russian chauvinist who disliked not only Poles, but also, among others, the Germans. You don't seem to know that, cretin. Hence, considering the fact you're a German chauvinist, perhaps if you knew what Dostoyevsky scribbled about your ilk you wouldn't call him 'brilliant.' :) So you say Dostoyevsky and Chekhov knew something about us Poles and because of that they rightly hated us? Are you able to tell what they allegedly knew? Please, divulge this mysterious knowledge to me. So you suggest that because no Poles educated Nietzche we Poles should be blamed for that? Why? Why on earth it is Poles, not Germans, who should have educated Nietzche, who was German, lived in Germany and spoke German? So you brag that it was exclusively 'great' Germans who educated Nietzche? Well, they must have given him a great education if he hated Germans so much. :)

Missed the stink you are farting Pussy! Where were you so long???

- Wow, you're acting really confident in this Polish forum. One could think you're the host here. Get lost, racist trash.
:)
PS. The very sole representative of German culture I care to appreciate is composer Bach (who, by the way, didn't seem to hate Poles; he wrote a few great polonaises). But if you, nazi creep, keep on insulting my country, its culture, etc., I'll grab all the Bach cds I've got (I've got them all), urinate on them, throw them into the trash bin and never-ever listen to Bach again. So if you really love your native culture so much, think twice before you start slamming Poles again.
OP Sasha  2 | 1083
26 Dec 2008   #142
Another famous Russian of Polish origin is the novelist Fyodor Dostoyevsky.

Haven't heard about it. Where did you read that?

That's why, after my initial great interest, I stopped reading him at all

If you like his books why not read him? Besides, is there any evidence of his "polonophobeness"? I haven't heard of it either. Neither have I about Chechov who was comedian and that would be quite weird to learn of his dislike of any nation...

As for Lermontov I heard only of "Scottish" version.
Borrka  37 | 592
26 Dec 2008   #143
Bratwurst Boy:As we all know from the Kopernikus discussion everybody stemming from what is now Poland (even centuries back) HAS TO BE POLISH! :)

Well... Würstel, it's rather your way of promoting German achievements lol.
But I'm already bored with all this Copernicus stuff.

Your true heritage is the German Democratic Republic.
The Zone.
Would you please name at least ONE famous,
worldwide known DDR-scientists, artist, movie maker, author etc.etc. except for commie darlings like Brecht or Fallada ?
I'm all ear.
Puzzler  9 | 1088
26 Dec 2008   #144
- The great British historian Norman Davies mentions Dostoyevsky's Polish origin in his book 'God's Playground. A History of Poland' (a Polish translation of the book is titled: 'Boze igrzysko'). I think he mentions in the book also Lermontov's Polish extraction. By the name, 'Dostojewski' is a surname found often enough in Poland. It's not typically Russian, is it? Hehe, if I remember it right, one of the communist officials in Poland had the surname.

Sasha, no offence, but I think I'll keep clear of Dostoyevsky for a while longer. I still read Pushkin's prose, Lermontov's 'Hero...', Gorky, Bulgakov, Gogol (oh, he, Gogol, was of Polish origin too, his Polish surname was 'Jankowski' or 'Janowski'). Boris Pasternak is my beloved poet. Best wishes.

PS. Osip Mandelshtam was born in Warszawa.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11821
26 Dec 2008   #145
I'll grab all the Bach cds I've got (I've got them all), urinate on them, throw them into the trash bin and never-ever listen to Bach again.

Be my guest!

Your true heritage is the German Democratic Republic.The Zone.

As your's was the commie republic of Polonistan??
Puzzler  9 | 1088
26 Dec 2008   #146
* Frank Beyer, film director [etc., etc.]

- What a list of mediocrities and bores. I tried to read some of them long ago (only because I'm curious about any literature), but gave up. By the way, I don't like Brecht either. His best stuff, The Threepenny Opera, is a plagiarism of an English author, and in the play by Brecht (there's also his -bad - novel) the best are the songs, I mean the music, by the Jewish composer Weil. :) No, I don't really know anyone who can honestly say: 'I love German literature.' Not even one such a person, hehehehe. Everyone says: 'It's so grim, boring, with no sense of humor.' But the Germans are educated to believe strongly that Goethe and Schiller are the greatest poets of all, admired throughout the world. Sorry, I prefer for example, Shakespeare, Pasternak and our Polish Wojaczek.

:)
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11821
26 Dec 2008   #147
Everyone says: 'It's so grim, boring, with no sense of humor.' But the Germans are educated to believe strongly that Goethe and Schiller are the greatest poets of all, admired throughout the world. Sorry, I prefer for example, Shakespeare, Pasternak and our Polish Wojaczek.
:)

PS: At least we OWN a Goethe and Schiller (if I go asking for this "Wojtschach" how many people know about this one?), you instead have to run around in your neighbours countries to steal some "names"! :)

Let's see how the internet lexicon Wiki compares our people, yes?:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany

And now you Pusy! :):):)
But you ARE a crazy Polak so your opinion counts for horse sh*t even if you think the world listens to you, but she gives also only a sh*it as you very well know....
OP Sasha  2 | 1083
26 Dec 2008   #148
By the name, 'Dostojewski' is a surname found often enough in Poland. It's not typically Russian, is it? Hehe, if I remember it right, one of the communist officials in Poland had the surname.

Really hard to say since 1/6 of Russian population has ever had Polish ancestors. The last names with -iy ending is not considered typically Russian but they're pretty widespread.

Sasha, no offence, but I think I'll keep clear of Dostoyevsky for a while longer

That's ok. As for me I'm not the biggest fan of his creation. :)

I still read Pushkin's prose

Do you read that in Polish? I wonder if you have his poetry translated into Polish?

, Gogol, was of Polish origin too, his Polish surname was 'Jankowski' or 'Janowski')

Kolia Gogol's considered Ukranian Russian writer. :) Sounds mutually exclusive. But that's the way it is... :)
Borrka  37 | 592
26 Dec 2008   #149
You know some of them I gather?

Yes, I do.
But I'm much more than a standard European lol.
Most of them enjoyed some local popularity in der DDR only.
Jurek Becker was Polish Jew from Lodz.
Do you really believe Krug, Biermann, Masur were some top names of the international show business ?

But you made my day putting Sigmund Jähn on your list.
So, why not Baron von Münchhausen ?
He was even named a cornet in the Russian army lol.

The true is that occupied country like East-Germany had absolutely no chance to develop its own culture or R&D.
You were from definition underachievers in science and art.

Exactly the same goes for Poland's last 250 years - most important period of the modern civilization.
Take it for granted being under brutal occupation of the barbaric neighbors (Prussia and Russia), with all universities closed, scientists murdered or sent to Siberia is not the optimal environment for the blossoming culture and science.
Puzzler  9 | 1088
26 Dec 2008   #150
Well...you ARE a crazy Polak

- Well, my opinion seems to matter a lot for example to you, stupid kraut, considering your lame attempts to talk back to me. As for me, I am right now having fun in teasing you and laughing at your broken-English replies, but when my good mood passes I shall ignore you.

Is it you who scribbled this abhorrent bragging entry on German 'kulthur' in 'Wiki'? It's in your style, and in 'Wiki' absolutely every single one can post entries, even such a deranged hunnish animal as you.

By the way, actually, at present few in the world know who Shcllire and Geohte are, and this trend shall get stronger and stronger, it seems. And soon you're going to have to add to your self-praising entry in 'Wiki' also scores of Turkish names. Watch the right Turkish spelling. :)

From what 'neighbor countries' do we allegedly steal 'some names'? What names are those? As for stealing and robbing, probably few in the world compare with the krauts.

:)


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