Jewish Roots of Poland

Bagels are not a Jewish food. Only in the US they think it's Jewish. In Israel it's looked at as an American food.


You are probably only familiar with Ashkenazi Jewish cuisine, which is heavily influenced by Polish cuisine, but there are lots of different kinds of Jewish cuisine, and in Israel they all come together.


I don't know about real cross-cultural influence, but there is i think a mutual fascination, sometimes attraction and sometimes repulsion. Why am I on a Polish forum if I wasn't drawn somehow to Poland? Why are there Jewish style restaurants in Krakow?

But I think in the next generation or two the relationship will fade away – no love, no hate.

I've been wondering about it, actually. Do you have some sort of link to Poland? You mentioned somewhere that you've been writing on this forum because of some experience in Poland, if I remember correctly?

Ha, I never knew.

Maybe there was once, but I never heard of it.

this is making me hungry.

Me too.
And according to Wiki Jews brought them to America and now you can even get them in space :)


/wiki/Bagel#History

Sounds like Bagels were eaten by Polish Jews, but it's actually a Polish food. So whenever we think of Polish food, we can think of the Bagel we had for breakfast :)

The bagel was invented by the Jewish baker for King Sobieski.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagel#History

To'dah ra'bah? If I even read that correctly, what's that mean?

thank you very much

Oh I figured it was something along those lines.

I hoped it was :)

actually it means "does Jabba the Hutt live here?"

Certainly that some Poles have Jewish roots (maybe even me) but certainly not most Poles :p

I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere that more and more Polish Jews are returning to Poland from Israel. Is this true?

im not that sure if they are coming back but more likely some of them go after polish citizenship. and i guess this move is not caused by sentiments but rational thinking. its good to have EU passport.

Toda Raba. Thank you very much.

on the other hand:


"But for me Poland is my fatherland, for good and for bad"

Yeah, that's what I've heard other Polish Jews say before. Also, some of them mentioned that they're tired of the violence in Israel.

Yet a few years ago when I took a Polish friend from Gdansk into a North London deli to show her the bagels, it was the first time she had seen one! I guess their origins are being forgotten ...

I couldn't care less.


True.

I suppose a Jew of this generation born in Poland could say that, but there aren't many of those living in Israel. There are more than a million people here who's ancestors came from Poland, but it would be extremely unusual for one of them to move from Israel to Poland. I've never heard of such a case. There's not a lot of violence in Israel despite the impression from the news, but if someone did find life here not to his taste, he would be more likely to move to the US, or western europe.

Ok, explain this to me. To claim that 98% of Poles don't have any Jewish ancestry by means of genetic science would mean that each Pole would have to have a genetic test for Jewish ancestry. Such a test is pretty expensive so I have doubts that genetic research could have been done on a significant sample size.

Probably because there weren't to many Jews in Scotland to begin with, they were more concerned with clan prejudice than antisemitism. Though come to think of it, you are wrong, considering that Scotland was part of the UK when the Jews were forbidden from standing for the British parliament. This changed sometime in the 19th century, whith the help of dome passionate oratory by a certain Benjamin Disraeli.


That is got to be one of the most idiotic things i have ever heard, why Don't Australians look like aboriginals or white South Africans turn black.

it is just so tragically stupid, ha ha ha.

I don't mean to be offensive by the way.

Hey guys, were the antisemitic laws in Poland started by ethnic Poles?

No, Jews also participated. I hope that fully answers your well thought out and precise question.

What laws do you mean?

Yes, Mainly concerned with employment and education.

hague1cmaeron

If you mean the pre-war Poland then read this, a good discription of that time:

Only one influential Polish party, the National Democrats and their successors, were openly hostile to ‘the native foreigners in our midst’; and they were no more rabid in their views on Jewry than on Germans, Ukrainians, socialists, or gypsies. If we are to believe a leader of the Jewish Bund in pre-war Warsaw, even the virulence of the National Democrats had its limits:

… the nationalists… had great psychological and other difficulties in accepting the ideas of Fascism and Nazism…

They were not revolutionaries like the Nazis in Germany or the Fascists in Italy: they were old-fashioned reactionaries. They were active in organising economic boycotts, but they would not encourage physical pogroms. They were for a numerus clauses at the universities, but were not for closing them completely to non-Catholic, Polish citizens… They were in favour of establishing two class of citizens with different political rights, but were not for taking these rights away completely from any group.

Thanks for the info, but i already know all of that, I am referring to the university quota system for instance.

I am wondering though, this is from a row concerning my dad in the Australian Medical Journal with a distinguished Jewish gentleman relating to his life story as a doctor. In his life story he mentions that his Dad was denied employed in a Polish hospital in Tarnopol, I am assuming a government one because he was Jewish, and according to his article Jews were denied employed in Polish government run hospitals. What is your view on this?

Anyway my dad did a little research and he noticed a lot of doctors in Tarnopol hospital with what he thinks are Jewish sounding names. More interestingly though he looked at the registry records of doctors who were registered in Poland to practice medicine and he did not find the surname of the gentleman concerned, so he did not appear to be registered.

I believe he studied in Vienna, not in Poland. I wonder what would other perspectives be on this.