Jewish Roots of Poland

For me it was some spin of a story, full of ignorance about Poland. A lot of preconception about Poles I have noticed on PF and not only.

Did you charmed by complex tale, noticed - Poles hate Jews- intertwined with his narration and his nice ending ?


Like everyone, however I don't found anything in his post which would challenge my worldview, I would ignore his post if not other post praising his BS! Sure it could be honest ignorant poster but you are living in Poland, speaks the lingo, you should know better!

Interesting, you know more about my own family than I do. No, he was as Polish as it gets and very proud of it, there were Poles and Czechs and also Germans living there. There were Ślązacy, Schläsinger, Schlesier, Ślůnzoki, Slezané, or whatever your preference was. Oh, and apparently Jews too.

You two would love each other, hating is more fun when in company you know.


I won't deny that because frankly I know very few American Jews and the ones I do know have never talked to me about Poland. So I don't know but maybe it's true and maybe it isn't.

IF it is true for some I'll blame the individuals who do that for being ignorant, I won't blame all the Jews though. It would be illogical otherwise.

So which nationality are you?


Yet you have no problem blaming all the Poles for what your grandfather was. Hypocrisy at best, if I didn't know better.

I'm an American who was born in Poland, raised in Sweden and moved to the US many moons ago. You?


Where do I blame Poles or Poland for anything?? I've participated in numerous threads here, show me where I blame Poland as a nation for anything? I always clarify that Poland, just like any other nation has their own share of bad apples. It applies to the US, Sweden, Poland, Germany and every country I can think of.

Racism and xenophobia exists everywhere, Poland never was and never will be immune to that disease, it simply exists in all countries. I always clarify that those people are a tiny minority but denying their existence is totally illogical.

If anything my posts are usually very complimentary of Poland, not sure where you got that sentiment from. I was very ashamed of my grandfather, at least his narrow-mindedness, my dad was too, however I've never been ashamed of Poland, quite the opposite.

That is certainly true.
Funny how you have no problem accepting his statement


when he clearly states in the same post that


Meaning both are Jewish so if she exhibited any sort of inappropriate behavior against her own people surely Poles are to be blamed. Although it might be a little fuzzy as to which one spat into the ground with such a rage that he quite frankly have never witnessed in anyone before, it don’t really matter now dose it? As it was a Jewish lady that said


not even in proper Polish when he mentioned the Jewish restaurant, yet he claims to come from a long line of


go figure. Even if he does not considers himself Jewish he should know that in Jewish culture it’s the mother side that counts as to what you are a Jew or a Goy and if she is disetisfy by her own people she has aright to express that dissatisfaction as she wishes. He can’t make up his mind as to what he is but clearly by posting it, it was his intention to paint all Poles as bigots and anti-Semites. I take an offense to that statement and you jump on the bandwagon screaming at the top of your lungs, yes it’s true without understanding as to what he has said actually. As you can see what we are dealing here in reality is a Jewish hate and xenophobia towards Poles as exhibited by his own grandma who by his own account is Jewish yet he blames Poles for her behavior.

PS. Frankly I could care less what a crazy old Jewish lady said about another Jew or in what language just don’t twist it around and say its obvious case of Polish anti-Semitism, I take offense to such statement.

Um...no it's not.


I am disgusted that idiots like you claim there are SO MANY Poles that hate Jews. Outside of the Internet, I have only met one Pole who exhibited antisemitic sentiment. The thing is that his mother was Swedish and his father was German, so essentially he wasn't even an ethnic Pole.

ShortHT - im sure there's distrust and maybe even dislike on both sides for many reasons. I agree that it is a moronic statement by PolakwKanadzie to say he/she hates the fact so many Poles hate Jews. First of all it's a total nonsense to say "so many" because those people are a tiny minority. Probably about as large as those Canadians who hate the "Indians", or blacks and yes those haters do exist. (no, I'm not using the PC terms)

Maybe I should've been more clear about that. I think that the numerous flamebaits from the past have made people ultra-sensitive to insults which of course precludes any dialogue. I don't look at Jews as different people, I look at them as people of a certain religion. If they live in Poland then they're Poles of Jewish faith, if they live in America then they're Americans of Jewish faith, etc. If they live in Israel, then they're Israelis of Jewish, Muslim, Christian, etc. faith.

Yes, there are ignorant people on both sides of the religious divide.

I do know better. Namely, than to:

a) reject a witness testimony out of hand;
b) infer from it that the whole nation is cut from the same cloth - which sadly is the conclusion that every pro/anti-Polish-meme-following sheep here assumes people are making.

The plural of anecdote is not statistics. Therefore, there is no huge, nation-scale generalisation to make. But anyone who assumes, viscerally, defensively, without listening to the word on the street, that there isn't a minority who do hold such views (a minority which, nevertheless, is much larger than its equivalent in the UK, and therefore for me worthy of remark) is simply blind.

PS My Dad's mates - all born in the 40s - come from Bavaria. You think Poles have issues about this? Oy vey, man, you haven't seen the half of it.

PPS I am not Jewish; but I wear a Homburg by night. Quite a handy barometer for the social attitudes of one's neighbours, I find. I also live on Zawady in Poznan where there's no shortage of Lech ultras. Do they pass comment? Often. Is it hateful/offensive? Occasionally. Does it get worse than that, even when there's ten of them and one of me? Never.

Go figure.

most of jews which lived in poland lived in "sztetl" cities. most of jews which lived in bigger polish cities (kraków, warszawa, etc) lived also separetly - they have their own religious schools, they cherished their heritage, their own theaters, art, literature - all in hebrew or yiddish. did you know that about 75% of polish jews didn't speak polish - even when talking about pre-II war period? it's completely different compared to western europe of the same time.

yes, some poles mixed with jews - but they were rare exceptions, due to Jewish aversion to intermarriage.

i don't judge that situation - for me its just statistical fact - there was no mixing. end of the story.

Well, I'm glad you cleared that up.

hey alex - i'll explain you :) statistics is tool tor finding major rules - correlation, probability etc. so i can say that from stat point of view there was no mixing - or - to be more strict - there was small probability of intermarriage :). i'm sure that everything is clear now - "small probability" means "yes some poles mixed with jews" - but still - it wasn't a rule...

reg.

Actually, no you can't. Absolute rubbish. No mixing = 0% in the sample, zero, empty set, nada, it's quite simple. But on the small probability point you make later I of course agree. (Please - don't try and pull rank on me wrt stats. There will only be one winner.)

Question is - how small was the probability or incidence? What does the phrase 'small' probability even mean? You will of course recall that a similar segregation (though enforced on different grounds entirely) held in the Southern United States between the Negro and white populations throughout the 19th and most of the 20th centuries. Intermarriage is one thing; but miscegenation was quite another.

Given that there are racist idiots such as you who represent Poland and deny the holocaust and Polish crimes against Jews (both Polish Jews and other Jews), it's not hard to understand why some Jews might not have particularly favourable views about Poles.

Perhaps if Poles didn't do things like using Jewish tombstones as doorsteps, relations might improve.

Just a word of warning, this thread will be cleaned up in a bit.

Given that there are greedy Jews like you out there, who still want to profit from a tragedy that happened over a half a century ago and want Poland to pay retribution for the sins of Nazi Germany, who would do anything to obtain that goal to the point of deceiving uneducated western morons and playing a sympathy card as if you were the only ones to suffer during the WWII occupation of Poland using every dirty trick in the book at your disposal and by doing so insulting every Pole in the process. A Jew for whom the old stereotype of Jewish greed still holds true and who exaggerate individual episodes that might have happen in history as if the Poles were Nazis themselves no wonder reaction is like it is. it's not hard to understand why some Poles might not have particularly favorable views about Jews who spread lies like the particularly obnoxious and deceitful one (another two stereotypical traits that seem to hold true) I’m talking to right now.

Perhaps if Jews would be honest with themselves that a Capo in the Ghetto who have pointed out other Jews was a Jew himself not a Pole then we might start dialog otherwise it’s all nothing but lies.

As has been mentioned several times, I am not a Jew. But please do feel very free to claim that you know more about my parentage than I do. It's most amusing, especially given that you are uncertain of the identity, and the species, of your own father.


The only profiting I do is from writing about it. You could do the same, if you learned to write.


Could you perhaps quote a post in which I say I am in favour of anything even remotely like that? Either that or just admit that, as usual, you are lying.


There were no capos in the ghettos. Perhaps you mean kapo but there were none of those in the ghettos either: kapos worked in the camps. Many of them were Jews and a number of them were Polish Jews. Perhaps you might care to read about the 40-odd Kapo trials which took place in Israel in the 1950s and 1960s before mouthing off about Jewish attitudes to collaborators. You might also wish to note that most members of the Zagiew (the Jewish Gestapo) in Warsaw were killed by other Jews.

On second thoughts, given that you appear to exist solely to spew hate-filled racist rubbish in a vain attempt to make up for your multitude of personal failings, facts are unlikely to be of any use to you.

Claiming


and contradicting yourself by subscribing to the teaching of Talmud


, hypocrite that’s what you are.


Some of us have integrity and hold truth above all else and no amount of Judas money offered will make us go against our principles.


Oh please.


Empty gesture, the scale of Jews collaborating with Nazis was much greater than that which btw the action of those very same Jews you call that of Poles now.


Yup truth hurts, and calling me hate-filled racist won’t change that fact.

Perhaps you should take your own advice which you so liberally give others when the events of WWII are discuss especially about the Brits and goes something like this “it’s a long time ago, time to stop bit**ing and play a martyr, get over it”. Now go fvck yourself you racist piece of sh*t, no one else will. Lack of homosexual sex in Poland sure makes you think about it a lot; why else would you be making so many innuendos.

It seems that you are rather more familiar with the Talmud than I am. Could it be that you are a Jew and a self-hating one at that? Could well be!


An interesting claim but one that is somewhat made moot by your delightful habit of denying the Holocaust.


So you can't but you refuse to admit that you were lying when you said it. What a surprise.


How could even an empty gesture be made when you claim that Jews deny that it happened? You seem to have contradicted your own lie. BTW, could you possibly give us details of the trials which Poland held for kapos?


Boy, you wouldn't recognise the truth if it painted itself purple and kicked you in the nuts (if it were able to find your nuts and if you had nuts instead of the one nut which you have).


You seem as obsessed about who is gay as you are about who is Jewish. Could it be that you are a gay self-hating Jew? I think so: you really need to come out of the closet boy.

Acknowledging other nations civilian casualties during the WWII in the concentration camps is not exactly denial but I do see how a Zionist like yourself would like to keep the spotlight on himself, it’s always about the Jews no one else was singled out, prosecuted and exterminated or died.


Sure I can, plenty of times you have made an association that Poles were somehow steeling gold belonging to Jews like the German ruthless system somehow missed it so it was stolen by Poles as per Gross so any money demanded by the Jews from Polish state now would be nothing more than a simple compensation. Get real.


You have repeated all those lies so often that it just seem like a truth to you, so you can’t hold me a Pole responsible for blurring that line. Be honest in the future, that’s the only way you can avoid confusion as to what’s real and what’s not and stop fantasizing about my nuts, it isn’t going to happen no matter how much you would like to.


Congratulation, you’re making progress, perfect description of yourself there. Remember admitting it to yourself is just the first step of many on a long road to full recovery.

But you deny the real death toll at the death camps, claiming that only a few thousand Jews died at one: that is Holocaust denial.


Please don't like: I have written often about the Porajmos and said that in terms of percentage of population killed during the holocaust, the Romani people put Jews well and truly into the shade.


Could you perhaps put that in English? Or better still quote where I say that I want Poland to pay retribution for the sins of Nazi Germany, that is what you were challenged to do.


And which lies would those be, dear child?


Unlike you, I see neither being gay nor being Jewish as something one would 'recover' from. But then I am neither of those things and you are both, perhaps I should defer to your personal experience but instead I'll just observe that I'm never met any Jew or homosexual who thought that they needed to recover from being what they were/are.

And you as usual manipulate as to what I have actually said, no point to clarify to someone who obviously has a comprehension issues or hears what he wants to hear.


Once Harry, once and only to prove that some article in the polish paper about discrimination of Roma is true, the rest of the nationalities are not mentioned at all unless you speak of the Jewish numbers from those countries.


Pleaaaaaaaaaaas, it’s not the exact words but constant innuendos and allegations on your part, than again you never denied it out right either.


Gush there’s so many, where would I start. The regular members of this forum know what I’m talking about.


Another setback, just as you were making progress, just remember denying to yourself of who you are won’t alter that reality.

There is no need to manipulate what you said: you stated that only a few thousand Jews died in an AR death camp, that is holocaust denial.


I did indeed say it here. But I also said it here and here.
Oops, you just got caught lying yet again.


So you mean I did not say anything even remotely like that and you lied when you said I did. OK. Good of you to finally admit you're a liar.

It’s also very hard for you to be out of character, so yes you constantly have the urge and you constantly do too.


Big deal!!!!!


On contrary, you constantly say it, imply it, perhaps not in those exact terms but still.

Ah what's the point of discussing anything with you anyway, it's like explaining quantum physics to an ant.

Maybe he was reacting to what bad Jews have done and said about Polish people?

There is good and bad in all people. Rest assure there have been many bad Jews that have slandered Polish people. This despite the fact Jews CHOSE to LIVE in Poland for over a THOUSAND YEARS because Poland gave them more freedom then any other country. The Polish people ALLOWED and GAVE PERMISSION TO JEWS to OPEN THIS RESTAURANT. So doesn't that count for anything? Or do we only put a microscope on all the bad things Polish people say or do which anti-Polish trolls always do on this forum?

Do you think maybe your "anti-semitic family" are "anti-semitic" because of these kind of bad Jews?

Many Left-wing Jewish Americans in the past have slandered Polish people here in the US in the mass media and they get away with it. Can you imagine what would happen if it was the other way around?

Maybe your grandmother was reacting to those anti-Polish slurs by Jews?

Jewish American Seth Meyers of the anti-Polish TV Network NBC-TV, made an anti-Polish slur in the mass media not long ago. But hey since he's Jewish I guess that's OK LOL

Maybe your family, Poles and other Central and East European nations have negative things to say about Jews because of these kind of bad Jews?

Google the article "Stalin's Jews" from the ynet Israeli newspaper.

Ask yourself this question. Why don't Jewish leaders ever openly give credit to Poland for giving MOST OF THE WORLD's Jews refuge for over ONE THOUSAND YEARS, which no other country did?

Why don't they talk about what the great rabbi Moses Isserles said about Poland that: "If it were NOT for Poland the existence of the tribe of Israel would have been UNBEARABLE"Why do so many Jews take for granted all the good Poland did for Jews?

Poland did the most important thing you can do for other human beings. It gave the Jews a PLACE TO LIVE in relative freedom for ONE THOUSAND YEARS. If this was not true, Jews would have to be insane to have CHOSE Poland to live in for this LONG a time.


But what if you just hate THOSE Bad Jews who have done and said bad things about Poland and other countries?

But you may be right there may be a certain amount of Poles who have some Jewish blood in them just like there are many Jews who have some Polish Christian blood in them.

I have been told by my family members that I could very well have some Jewish blood in me. That's OK with me. But that wouldn't make me feel anymore or less about a particular issue.

MediaWatch....go on, just admit it - you hate Jews and that's that.

It would certainly be much easier to discuss things with you, knowing that you're a bedroom brownshirt and all that. It would also explain your apparent deep knowledge of Russian affairs, because the worst neo-Nazis are to be found in Russia, after all.

You're right, it is no big deal that you got caught lying yet again. It's not even a big deal that you were as stupid as to lie about something which was so easy for me to prove that you were lying about: we don't expect anything else from you.


As I "constantly say it", you'll have no problem at all in quoting posts in which I say that I want Poland to pay retribution for the sins of Nazi Germany or even say anything like it. Alternatively you could just continue to insist that I do say it but fail to produce even a single post in which I say anything like it: that way you can keep reminding us that you are a liar (and a particularly stupid one at that).


Those of us who live in Poland have no need to imagine that: it is called Radio Maryja. Have you heard of it?

So let me get this straight. I basically let you know that I'm part Jewish and that somehow makes me someone who "hates Jews"?? Say what??? LOL

That's twisted logic.


So is this more of your delph logic?

Play reverse psychology by disparaging Russia to prove you are not sympathetic to Russia?

Cute :D


So little Radio Maryja is the reason for Left-wing Big media bias against Poland?

Radio Maryja is a relatively new media outlet. What was the reason for decades of Left-Wing media bias against Poland before Radio Maryja?

What's a crested man?

I think the poster meant a man with a family crest, in other words a member of the szlachta. My second guess would be a man with a high hairdoo.

Well my DNA test seems to be pointing me in the middle eastern/Jewish region of the world, so I'm sure that I have some paternal Jewish ancestor somewhere back there.

Where did you get it? How much cost?