Jewish Roots of Poland

I heard about Jews to Catholics conversions in sth like XVII century because of unfair treatment of Jews back then. Zygmunt Krasinski in Nie-boska komedia wrote about someone called Przechrzta which is how such people used to be called and it was described as a common act so this could add to our Polish Jewish roots. Actually could be fake or true like anything you get about Polish history.

It could be but it has no practical matter. After all, all humans have a single ancestor. Does it matter?

If there had been big numbers of przechrztas this could cause significant change to the gene pool. But only big/huge number not a single act.

there has been a big influx of Central European genes into the Jewish population - just search what young unmarried Jewish girls often did in garrison towns of Austria-Hungary

PolakwKanadzie: "Pojebani Zydzie"
A fairy tail, if she was Polish she would never make a grammatical mistake like this. Use Google translate next time, you might have a better results perhaps then your story might seem to be plausible.

PolakwKanadzie: Warsaw was nearly 40% Jewish. Lublin 50%, etc etc etc.
In 1938 Jews made up 29% of Warsaw’s population and even after the ghetto was established there by the Nazis Jews constituted only 33% of the city’s population. It’s all BS. Etc etc etc. Get your facts right.

PS. Funny story though, a Jew spitting on Jew pretending to be Polish anti-Semite.

A few things, you sick Anti-Semitic vermin. Let me make that clear. It's a telling tale you have supposed Nazi stats to back you up. Second, if you claim that self-hatred doesn't exist amongst Jews, you have no credibility what so ever.

"A fairy tail, if anything it should be 'pojebany Żydzie' or 'pojebani Żydzi' plural, insulting perhaps but at least a proper Polish for you. If you can’t get this short sentence right two words you’re not Polish period. A native would never make this mistake."

I speak Polish completely fluently, but I am illiterate when it comes to reading and writing. I can enunciate, and take a long time to read, but speaking and listening I'm completely fluent in.I was never taught to read or write in a formal setting, given as I left when I was 3. Does it make me less Polish? I read Polish newspapers regularly, but I still can't write properly. Oh wait, I might be Jewish, guess not eh?

That's weird because if you could read then you could write as well. That's a specific of Poish language.

Also the comment you've made:


is completely incomprehensible. Are you aware you called him a... guinea pig?


Beniamin is not considered to be exculsively Jewish. Sorry, to dissapoint you. Names day for Beniamin is March 31 and December 19.


1,000 years? Maybe you mistaken Poland for Ancient Greece?

I really don't think you know what you're talking about. There have been DNA tests showing that 30-60% of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry is European.

This is statement made out of ignorance. The reason most Jews stick together in a small community is because of them keeping holy on thier sabbath. They have to walk to thier churches.. it only makes sense that they live as close to thier church as possible.. Further most of the Jewish people I know are highly intelligent and although may prefer to speak in thier native language, you can bet they knew Polish. The problem with most people today is they only see the stereotypes. If we stopped fearing what is different we would accomplish so much more.

A few things you vile a hole, Yes your post is a complete BS with malicious intent to prove God know what. You had a year to date to respond to this since your original post and you still don’t get it, do you? Are all Canadians as dense as you or is it simply you? Clearly it’s not just the Polish language that you have a problem with but your own native English as well. I suggest you work on your reading comprehension skills Eh?

PS. I assume Mods deleted some posts and the quote by you in the other members post is directed at me. Yup just checked the bin. Wow, really brave of you indeed, all this coming from someone whom it only took a year short of one day to grow some balls. Two more years of intensive training and you might be ready for me. LOL

Off direct topic perhaps, but if Poland allegedly had as much anti-Nazi resistance during WWII as say Denmark, Bulgaria or Albania, why is this then not better documented? As it stands, the Danes (the Swedes too, for that matter!), the Bulgarians and the Albanians have gone down in history as friendly to the Jews in their direst hour of need, whereas the Poles en masse, the Hungarians, Romanians, even the Italians, certainly the Swiss along with the French remain the picture of anti-Jewish duplicity and selfish cunning, ready, williing and able to be complicit in Nazi-abetted crimes, though the former themselves were victims of the Nazis in their own way.

I've read tome upon tome on this subject in a plethora of languages, notably Polish and German, but have yet to find any two historians who agree; Hilberg's accused of massaged facts by the revisionists, while Gross is decried by Polish gentile historians, and among Jewish Holocaust scholars also, mighty debates still rage one!

Oy vey! Marek. You read Gross, hence your dilemma.

Why Irena Sendler's story was discovered and popularized by... American high schoolers?

Great! One example. Why not others, such as Socha and Pope Jan Paweł himself? Jedwabne and Kielce continue to resonate in our ears, whereas Denmark's Gilelej and the Jutland coast where Kaj Munk and armed as well as unarmed resistance bravely stood up to the German war machine! A tragic irony, is it not?

Are you asking or what? Write a letter to some historican to write you a book about Poles who were helping Jews.


When Gross was aksed why he hasn't mentioned in one of his book the Poles who were helping Jews, he answered simply that it is not the subject of his book. As far as I remember he also hoped that no one will jump to conclusions that there was no such people. The whole commotion in Poland about Gross' books is that he writes only about negative aspects of Polish-Jewish relationships and Poles afraid that people abroad will have one-sided, very negative view on Poles.

No, the all commotion about Gross is a fact that he is making things up as he goes.


Shouldn't that be a concern of Jewish historians to commemorate people who helped or attempted to help only to be killed for their trouble. Jews are so intelligent and generously high spirited people without malice, I'm sure that uttermost on their mind is to put spotlights on all the instances when such selfless and brave acts occurred. Also to honor those whose help their families or compatriots received, lifesaving help to be sure.

you may perhaps choose to read this book (but read the review first) - h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=8353

[quote=Lyzko]Off direct topic perhaps, but if Poland allegedly had as much anti-Nazi resistance during WWII as say Denmark, Bulgaria or Albania, why is this then not better documented? [/quote

Judging from your ignorant posts you must be American schooled aren't you?Bulgaria was Germany's ally,Albania was occupied by Italians not Germans and Denmark "resisted" Germans for the whole 2 (two) hours.Now let me ask you if the Poles were such a nazis as you and your brothers in faith claim,how come 3 MILIONS of Poles (and I am not even counting Polish Jews) perished during German (not some ******* Nazis) occupation?


Aha.Lets talk some numbers.What was the Jewish population in these countries?Data from 1933.
Poland aprox.3000000.
Bulgaria 48500.
Denmark 1800.
Albania 200.
Irena Sendler herself saved more Jews (2500) than was the Jewish population of Denmark and Albania com bined.

how about Bielski Brothers killed 128 Poles in the village of Naliboki during WWII.

All data according to United States Holocoust Memorial Museum.So,next time you want to discuss something put it in some perspective you ignorant.


What about... Humer,Wolinska,Flaksman,Baumac,Holzer,Lerner,Pesses,Ringier,Swiatlo,Bi en,Hakman,Fojer,Kalecki,Mietkowski,Okret,Rubinstain,Taboryski...?And that's just a few.Did you hear about them Lyzko?

I s'ppose if you want to get technical about it, population stats vs. total number of inhabitants might be (cynically!) seen as playing a role in Denmark's behavior during the War. Seems you're saying, among other things, that the more a country became "burdened" by Jewish immigrants starting to have an influence, i.e. play a role, in their society, the more they would come to hate them like most everybody else, is that the deal here? That is, had Denmark for instance, theoretically the same number of Jewish inhabitants as pre-War Poland, Lithuania or Latvia etc.., the Danes too would've as one begun to turn vicious against them, but since there were so few of them there, the Danish population was almost "spoiled" and therefore might have acted more sympathetically, is that what you're trying to say, Grubas?!

If that's so, then it's more a pititful comment on the state of the average man than on your own personal hatreds.

As far as my US-education, until that end of WWII, American universities were the envy of the world. I was educated in US highschools, granted, but all of my teachers were either Europeans (Germans, Brits and French) or recent transplants from the Continent. This then rather tosses your theory into the proverbial cocked hat now, doesn't it?-:)

PS
I'm well aware of Bulgaria's role both before AND during World War II. The fact remains, however, that Bulgaria DID issue false papers to Jewish refugees on the way elsewhere in occupied Europe, such as to Portugal (another country I forgot to mention).

i don`t think that Poland has Jewish roots. Roots of Poland are Slavic- Sarmatian if you want, considering that originally universal name of all Slavs was Sarmatian name

Noone here on PF EVER once either said or intimated that Jews are perfect because their Jews, or martyrs etc.. As far as Gross' book Strach (Fear) stressing the negative, there's plenty of it to stress.

Then again, the Nazis weren't angels, eh??

Judaism played some role in many Slavic countries but to say that some Slavic country (particularly Poland) has Jewish roots absolutely isn`t correct. Not to mention that Slavs were exposed to different foreign elements, cultures and religion: to the Persian civilization, to the Mongol horde, to the Greek and Roman paganism, to all forms of Christian provenience, Judaism, to Islam, even to the Hinduism and Buddhism. Judaism is just one of them.

Still, Slavs are Slavs, Sarmats. Unique civilization

no respect for the topic starter or subject. not taking any notice of mod comments.

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Is Kaczyński Jewish?

A taxi dirver told me he voted for PiS because there were too many Jews in PO but added: "They are also in PiS." He suggested the Kazcyński were probably Jewish and that wasn't their real name. This is the first I've heard such a thing. Anyone got some insight into this or is it just some one-off malarkey?

well,not hard evidence but ..a lot of facts would support it.there is tons of material about this subject in web.its hard to know for sure whats true and what is lies in them stories

Some of you may have seen a list of the alleged "real names" of Polish III RP politicians. Every one of them has a "real" name like Moshe Goldberg, or Ryfka Stein and that includes Wałęsa, Kwaśniewski, Suchocka,Tusk, Bielecki, Olszewski, Gwiazda and all the rest. It would appear it was issued by some neo-Nazi group, but some say it was the brain child of the lineral left (GW circles) to discredit rightists in general.

Polonius are you for real? What else you came up with? Do you wish to confine to us that you're in fact a Martian?

I didn't come up with it -- it has been circulating since the 1990s. Have you ever seen such a list? Here is one of them:

ivrozbiorpolski.pl/index.php?page=lista-prawdziwych-zydowskich

What significance is that for you that you plaster it all over forums?