Former Poland PM Donald Tusk - A Kashub or a German.

don't get me wrong, I personally don't care who he is it was more like a technical question if a citizen of one country is to be seen as a part of it, that's all.


fully agree with you here, as long as he does a good job for you guys (whether he does or not is up to you to determine that), why would anyone care.

Well, a Kenyan runs America, so..... ;) ;)

I realize that you really can't be both. So as someone who was born in Poland, who's all ancestors were Polish and who still holds a Polish citizenship I am and feel Polish, I probably always will. That's me being honest.

You mean an American of Kenyan descent, right? :-) (I don't like him but we have to stay correct if just a little).


In general, one is who he believes and feels he is. If you feel Polish, you are Polish. It wouldn't make any sense to force you be an American.

Why not? You belong to both. It is typical in development of social identity of the first generation with US citizenship. Dual social identity. Your posts imply that you really adopted both identities. Next generation, your kids will according to empirical research on that topic adopt most probably only American identity.

Then you don't know Poles in America, lol OK, some of them do as you say but many just live here and create their little Poland inside the US and more or less ignore the rest.

I don't think so. People see me they know just by looking at me I'm Polish, the way I look, talk, walk, behave it's just different. I never really assimilated because in Poland and when I came here (even if I had a break from it) I always mostly hung out with Polish people, still do to this day. Even my English it's very good but sometimes I have a slight accent. I just always felt more Polish, I feel more comfortable around them.

That tends to be in the nature of many, yes. Poles are like the Borg in that respect, much like the Japanese.

As for Tusk, check most sources and they will tell you he is a Kashubian.

I don't say anything, I just read relevant literature on the topic. Third generation feels American, second both, first is loyal to the country of birth.

Oversimplified it sounds like that. Of course, exceptions are always present. That is the trend observed by researches.

Pennboy, I forgot that you were born in Poland. You are not falling in any of the categories they offered, because you were socialized in American system and born abroad.

If he is German he has already his connections.

Well there you go.

yep, this is how it should be but in many cases, it isn't.

It's OK ;)


You said it yourself when I asked you, if you lived in a foreign country for 10 or 20 years would you stop being an American? you said never I'm a Yank (or something like that lol). Same here, when I hang out with my Polish friends we're laughing and joking in a large group it feels good it feels like you're almost back in Poland.


Allow me to correct you Sok, he wasn't at Auschwitz but Stutthof

Hey, I don't blame you for anything at all, I only described the situation in the US (especially with Poles) the way it really is.

The only thing I don't understand is, why we need a visa to go to Chicago? (just kidding, lol)

Doesn't matter what his grandpa was or what he is ........What is important is whatever he is doing a good job. I say nay!

kick him out!

Thats correct i'm sorry i wasnt in a discussion about Tusk for more than a year now.

Another fact gone wrong? ;)

;))))


angela managed sth for him, for sure...

Maybe thats why him and Merkel are so friendly lol

No just memory failing i checked the rest after that, i'm correct on all other points dont be a pr*ck its enough that you're a Jew.

german-times.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2685&Itemid=78, have a read, Sok. It's in English :)

What's a Jew, Sok?

Good thinking, BB. Imagine big posters and billboards with this picture, all over Poland, the logo of PO
on them and a text saying - "Tusk family - building great relations with Germany since 1939!" ;)

OK so the best MMA fighter in Poland is Georgian so we can't let the PM find his German status. Surely not ;)

He is Kashub alright. Here on Balkan we know Kashubs as Northern Serbs, too.

Have in mind that complete Eastern Germany and complete Baltic were land of Serbs. Baltic was in past known as Oceanus Sarmaticus.

I don't know Crow. Poles are Northern people and Serbs are South, don't see much of a connection.
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By the way, it needs to be said that Tusk's gov is a turning point in history. Very few can stop it at the time when it is happening, in a few years or decades it will become clear that I'm right. (or not, lol!) I bet money against peanuts that I'm in the right here.

Why Northern Serbs? Kashubs are a Pommeranian tribe that affiliates itself with Poland rather then Germany, even tho Donald Tusk prefers to give Kashubs a bad rep -.-

I didn't think Sorbs or those slavs further west that became Germanised were much Pommeranian

should be - spot it -
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But we are one slavic tribe, and we own half of europe. ruskis kicked out of the club temporaily. Dey Mongols atm till this sh*t gets sorted out.

He is, above all, Polish.

Sure. Aren`t all Serbs Polish? Or can you say that all Poles aren`t Serbs ie Sarmatians?