Nickidewbear 23 | 609
1 Feb 2014 #61
Noah was prior to the Tower of Babel.
I have Jewish DNA, but only know of Polish ancestry .
PlasticPole 7 | 2641
1 Feb 2014 #62
so non of us are Jewish? that would conclude that Jewish is just a religion not a race of people.
Sons of Shem could be Jewish.
Nickidewbear 23 | 609
1 Feb 2014 #63
Only those descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are.
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1 Feb 2014 #64
All son/daughters of Shem would be S(h)emitic.
Then she's Poliyshe Yiddishe, not Poliyshe goyishe.
whatever. In any case, what he know about himself is Polish ancestry. So, let us hold to the facts, no matter what he thinks about his DNA.
PlasticPole 7 | 2641
1 Feb 2014 #66
Only those descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are.
Could because they might be Muslim, depending on who they are. Shem is their ancestor.
Nickidewbear 23 | 609
1 Feb 2014 #67
They're still ethnically Jewish, whether or not they've chosen to glorify Yehovah.
Marek11111 9 | 807
2 Feb 2014 #68
i do not get you people you got your bible that you swear by it then according to it we are all come from the same couple or Noah survived the flood so we are again the same but you claim we are different that is proving my point you have Jewish religion but not a race of people.
Nickidewbear 23 | 609
2 Feb 2014 #69
Let's back up a little bit. Noah, his wife, and his sons and in-law daughters survived the flood.
So, so far, we have Ever ben Salah ben Arfachad ben Shem ben Noach.
Now we have Avram ben Terach ben Nachor ben Serug ben Re'u ben Peleg ben Ever ben Salah ben Arfachad ben Shem ben Noach.
Noach's 10th generation through Avram, was chosen; and of Avram's sons, Yitzchak was chosen. So, 11 generations from Noach, Yitzchak comes in.
Now, we have Yitzchak ben Avr(ah)am Terach ben Nachor ben Serug ben Re'u ben Peleg ben Ever ben Salah ben Arfachad ben Shem ben Noach.
Perfectly, at the 12th generation, Ya'akov ben Yitzchak is chosen.
So, so far, we have Ever ben Salah ben Arfachad ben Shem ben Noach.
Now we have Avram ben Terach ben Nachor ben Serug ben Re'u ben Peleg ben Ever ben Salah ben Arfachad ben Shem ben Noach.
Noach's 10th generation through Avram, was chosen; and of Avram's sons, Yitzchak was chosen. So, 11 generations from Noach, Yitzchak comes in.
Now, we have Yitzchak ben Avr(ah)am Terach ben Nachor ben Serug ben Re'u ben Peleg ben Ever ben Salah ben Arfachad ben Shem ben Noach.
Perfectly, at the 12th generation, Ya'akov ben Yitzchak is chosen.
PlasticPole 7 | 2641
2 Feb 2014 #70
They're still ethnically Jewish, whether or not they've chosen to glorify Yehovah.
Not all of Shem's are Jewish though. Just the ones from Abraham.
Nickidewbear 23 | 609
2 Feb 2014 #71
No. Only the ones from Ya'akov are.
An event that's not recorded in the bible: Yafeth and Ham were teasing Shem, as brothers often do, and Shem went and complained to their father Noah. After Noah told the other two to behave themselves, Jafeth mumbled angrily, "You can't criticize Shem any more without being called an anti-Shemite."
PlasticPole 7 | 2641
2 Feb 2014 #73
hahaha I LOLed, yehudi!
Hi,
I only read some of you'alls postings. I'm guessing that haplogroup is not an exact science.
Your family, the state archive would know. In, General.
I only read some of you'alls postings. I'm guessing that haplogroup is not an exact science.
Your family, the state archive would know. In, General.
Author Cindy - | 11
13 Feb 2014 #75
This topic is so interesting. I have a relative who took the DNA tests and she was matched with Jewish cousins who have roots in Poland. But she was also matched with Polish cousins who don't consider themselves Jewish. It would be interesting to know the history behind that. Did someone marry into a Jewish family or vice versa, or was someone Jewish and hid it? Hmmm
Nickidewbear 23 | 609
13 Feb 2014 #76
They might've bought into the lie that Jews don't believe in Jesus. Thus, they may consider themselves Polish Catholics and not Ashkenazi Jewish Catholics. Also, as you said, someone was likely Jewish and hid it. My granddad went from utter denial and trying to connect us to Stefan Czarniecki to "If we had any Jewish blood, I don't know about it." My dad also used the classic Jesse Straus excuse in relation to our family:
That was a while back, and I think that he is now beginning to begrudgingly concede that we do have Jewish roots. Meanwhile, I just realized that he used Straus' exact wording. Incidentally, he told me that the member in question was Henry Feldman, and Henry's wife (Elizabeth Peregrin Feldman) happens to be a maternal Fosko Rusnak. This, thus, makes her a maternal Levite (The Foczkos were Levi'im from Warszawa, Radom, and £ódż; and our branch became Anusim and immigrated to Slovakian Hungary. Istvan Foczko married Johanna Hanzokova whose mother was a Lazarova, so we may also be of kohein descent and descended from Ele'azar HaKohen ben Aharon on that side.
(As for the Rusznaks, they were Levi'im from Kosice.).
As to our 'Jewish roots', I have talked to a number of people and there is only one situation of someone on the Rusnak side of the family being Jewish and that is questionable. Please remember that Judaism is a religion and not a nationality and that in your extended family, you probably have scores of Christian denominations and sub-denominations represented as well as other religions.
That was a while back, and I think that he is now beginning to begrudgingly concede that we do have Jewish roots. Meanwhile, I just realized that he used Straus' exact wording. Incidentally, he told me that the member in question was Henry Feldman, and Henry's wife (Elizabeth Peregrin Feldman) happens to be a maternal Fosko Rusnak. This, thus, makes her a maternal Levite (The Foczkos were Levi'im from Warszawa, Radom, and £ódż; and our branch became Anusim and immigrated to Slovakian Hungary. Istvan Foczko married Johanna Hanzokova whose mother was a Lazarova, so we may also be of kohein descent and descended from Ele'azar HaKohen ben Aharon on that side.
(As for the Rusznaks, they were Levi'im from Kosice.).
Does anyone else see this a good reason NOT to get DNA checked?
Bruno Schulz, the writer and artist, was Jewish (in what is now Ukraine). Hs fiancee converted to Catholicism and tried to encourage him to, so they could marry. He officially published a notice withdrawing from his Jewish faith, but refused to become a catholic.
There was also a project during the 18th/19th century, I believe, to encourage Jews to convert to catholicism.
yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Conversion
Bruno Schulz, the writer and artist, was Jewish (in what is now Ukraine). Hs fiancee converted to Catholicism and tried to encourage him to, so they could marry. He officially published a notice withdrawing from his Jewish faith, but refused to become a catholic.
There was also a project during the 18th/19th century, I believe, to encourage Jews to convert to catholicism.
yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Conversion
Author Cindy - | 11
14 Feb 2014 #78
My dad also used the classic Jesse Straus excuse in relation to our family:
It reminds me of the history of Jews in Spain and other parts of the world where they hid their Jewish ancestry, even from their own children.
Nickidewbear 23 | 609
14 Feb 2014 #79
I don't think that Ashkenazi Crypto Jews are known about compared to how much Sephardic Crypto Jews are known about, meanwhile.
Author Cindy - | 11
14 Feb 2014 #80
That's so true. I think more is known about the lives that were lost when it comes to Ashkenazi Jews.
Nickidewbear 23 | 609
14 Feb 2014 #81
True.
Lindsey116
20 May 2014 #82
I'm having the opposite confusion. I haven't had my DNA tested, but my daughter has, and it revealed no Jewish ancestry, which is what I would have expected. But while trying to trace my Polish grandmother's history, nearly all the info I come across on the internet says that her last name, Majewski, is a name that was used by Jewsh families who'd converted to Catholicism. A name-change could explain why this line has been so very difficult to trace, and why they emigrated in the late 1930s, but then there's that lack of DNA.
In other words, I just don't know. If anyone could shed some light on this mystery I'd appreciate it!
Thanks,
Lindsey
In other words, I just don't know. If anyone could shed some light on this mystery I'd appreciate it!
Thanks,
Lindsey
her last name, Majewski, is a name that was used by Jewsh families who'd converted to Catholicism.
Some people called that are descended from converts, but by no means all. There are quite a few villages in PL called Majewo and perhaps some of your grandmother's ancestors came from one of these.
Nickidewbear 23 | 609
20 May 2014 #84
Sometimes for Ashkenazim, Jewish markers do not show up. For other Jews, the same may apply. For instance, Lemba Jewish women have no Jewish DNA, despite that they are banot-Aharon.
Or more likely that she isn't.
Nickidewbear 23 | 609
21 May 2014 #86
Do you understand how DNA works for most Jewish women at all?
Do you know how surnames work in Europe? I suspect not. Most people with her surname aren't Jewish. Some are, however you'd need more than your own preoccupation to reliably suggest that the lady who posted is anything other than just Polish.
Nickidewbear 23 | 609
21 May 2014 #88
I think that she knows her family history better than you know it.
I'm glad you agree with me. There's nothing to suggest that the lady is Jewish and indeed she was surprised to find websites (almost certainly American ones) suggesting that some people with her surname are.
no Jewish ancestry, which is what I would have expected
Nickidewbear 23 | 609
21 May 2014 #90
She said that her daughter's DNA didn't show it. For the last time, many Jewish women do not have Jewish DNA.