poland_
28 Feb 2013 #31
They could also further their quest at jewishgen.org/dna/
I have Jewish DNA, but only know of Polish ancestry .
helplease
28 Jan 2014 #32
regardless of jewish dna you can be of polish descent. why would this male a difference?
Nickidewbear 23 | 609
28 Jan 2014 #33
A "Pole" with Jewish DNA may not actually be a Pole. Thus was my case. I'm an Ashkenazi Jew with roots in Poland, but a Pole? Nope. By the way, my dad's atDNA results are now updated and showing Middle Eastern atDNA. So, there you go.
Harry
28 Jan 2014 #34
By the way, my dad's atDNA results are now updated and showing Middle Eastern atDNA.
Ashkenazi from the middle east? Shaking my head.
The most important thing to remember, Nickie, is that despite everything your father does actually love you. But it's also a good idea to remember that things aren't going to get better until you stop this insistence that you have that he is part of a multi-generational conspiracy which is designed to keep the 'truth' from you.
Nickidewbear 23 | 609
28 Jan 2014 #35
Ashkenazim are descended from the Ancient Israelites. Also, I know what my family is like. You're only proving to me why ignoring you was a good idea, and I suggest that you read Proverbs 17:27-28.
Middle Eastern atDNA.
The Middle East covers a huge area, most of it not Jewish. Nor does a trace of DNA mean anything much. It is largely meaningless. We are mostly a mix of strands of DNA from all over the world, and all the better for that.
BTW, Jewish lineage is matrilinial rather than patrilinial.
The most important thing to remember, Nickie, is that despite everything your father does actually love you. But it's also a good idea to remember that things aren't going to get better until you stop this insistence that you have that he is part of a multi-generational conspiracy which is designed to keep the 'truth' from you.
Very true.
I have Jewish DNA
does something like it even exist? Isn`t Judaism religion? saying that i don`t deny right that somebody see it as ethnicity too but, to say that it has its own genome isn`t realistic to me.
Wlodzimierz 4 | 539
28 Jan 2014 #38
Some think of Judaism as a religion, others as an ethnicity.
It can go either way. Frankly, "Jewish DNA" does sound a bit strange to me as well:-)
It can go either way. Frankly, "Jewish DNA" does sound a bit strange to me as well:-)
Nickidewbear 23 | 609
28 Jan 2014 #39
The Y markers for Jews are Q, J1, J2, and E3b markers. Some Ashkenazi Levites have the R1a1a1 marker, though. The mtDNA markers include J and K markers. So, Jewish DNA does exist. Also, Jews are an ethnic group. See Deuteronomy 32:8-10. It was assimilationits and Anti Messianics who came up with the "Jewishness is religious and not ethnic".
Marek11111 9 | 807
28 Jan 2014 #40
"The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians "
epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2009/01/shared-genetic-heritage-of-jews-and.html
and then you have
"'Jews a Race' Genetic Theory Comes Under Fierce Attack by DNA Expert
Israeli Scientist Challenges Hypothesis of Middle East Origins"
being a Jew is it a race or to have Jewish religion I think it is just a religion.
epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2009/01/shared-genetic-heritage-of-jews-and.html
and then you have
"'Jews a Race' Genetic Theory Comes Under Fierce Attack by DNA Expert
Israeli Scientist Challenges Hypothesis of Middle East Origins"
being a Jew is it a race or to have Jewish religion I think it is just a religion.
link
29 Jan 2014 #41
Here are some links about people who tested with different companies.
genealogyjunkie.net/my-dna-results-from-4-companies.html
dna-explained.com/2013/02/24/the-autosomal-me-testing-company-res ults/
boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?m=82.1.1.1.1.1&p=topics.dnaresear ch.autosomal&sort=desc
thegeneticgenealogist.com/2012/04/02/a-review-of-ancestrydna-ance stry-coms-new-autosomal-dna-test/
brandtgibson.blogspot.com/2013/10/genes-day-friday-my-wife-is-no- longer.html
sites.google.com/site/mygenotype/
genealogyjunkie.net/my-dna-results-from-4-companies.html
dna-explained.com/2013/02/24/the-autosomal-me-testing-company-res ults/
boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?m=82.1.1.1.1.1&p=topics.dnaresear ch.autosomal&sort=desc
thegeneticgenealogist.com/2012/04/02/a-review-of-ancestrydna-ance stry-coms-new-autosomal-dna-test/
brandtgibson.blogspot.com/2013/10/genes-day-friday-my-wife-is-no- longer.html
sites.google.com/site/mygenotype/
Nickidewbear 23 | 609
29 Jan 2014 #42
being a Jew is it a race or to have Jewish religion I think it is just a religion.
If that's the case, then
- The Bible is quite useless.
- The Holocaust would not have happened, or else we all would have converted. Even then, since some of us did convert both nominally and genuinely, we weren't spared Anti Semitism.
- There would be no J1, J2, Q and E3b markers.
being a Jew is it a race or to have Jewish religion I think it is just a religion.
It's not so complicated. Three thousand years ago, a tribe in the middle east called Hebrews started their own religion. This people became a nation and for more than 2000 years they almost only married among themselves even while scattered around the world. So Jews are not racially different than other middle eastern people, but they maintained a defined gene pool, a language and culture and a connection to a specific territory. So we are a national/ethnic group that's defined in part by its religion.
Harry
29 Jan 2014 #44
So we are a national/ethnic group that's defined in part by its religion.
But the requirement for membership of the ethnic group which is set by that group is (and please do correct me if I'm wrong here) having a Jewish mother, right? Meaning that somebody who has a partly Jewish father isn't Jewish, yes?
Can ALL posters stick to the thread topic please.
OK. I have Jewish DNA too. (hmm...... It's so boring to stay on topic).
Harry
31 Jan 2014 #46
I did a DNA test that reveals Askenazic Jewish DNA, but I alway thought I was Polish American
When DNA doesn't match supposed ancestry, it means that there's missing knowledge (there almost always is, few people can trace their ancestry back a hundred generations) or that the supposed knowledge is incorrect. Perhaps great-great-great-great-great-great-granny got hammered one evening while her husand was at the pub and then when a shop-keeper called to ask about the debt the family had she had a sudden rush of blood? Or perhaps great-great-great-great-great-great-great-granny had a childhood sweet-heart daddy would never accept due to his faith, so they parted after one last goodbye and she managed to find a Catholic farmer's son who was very bad at maths?
And then of course it is entirely possible to be both Jewish and Polish.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3895
31 Jan 2014 #47
and could i add does it really matter? you are here now, in a few more years you will not be.
one of your ancestors might have driven goats between Dan and Beer Sheba - or then again he might not have.
It is all so spectacularly ......unimportant.
one of your ancestors might have driven goats between Dan and Beer Sheba - or then again he might not have.
It is all so spectacularly ......unimportant.
few people can trace their ancestry back a hundred generations
Don't think so as that would be about 3000 years ago - or so.
80 generations is about 2000 years. Some people can go back almost that far - they usually have well-documented royal antecedents.
Harry
31 Jan 2014 #50
Don't think so as that would be about 3000 years ago - or so.
It would be based on current developed nation standards. However, go back a couple of hundred years and a generation is more like 20 years; go back a thousand years and it was below that.
go back a couple of hundred years and a generation is more like 20 years
In genealogy, you usually count 25 years per generation. That's pretty accurate on the average even if you go back many generations.
2000 years. Some people can go back almost that far - they usually have well-documented royal antecedents.
abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=5386347
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent_from_antiquity
Marek11111 9 | 807
1 Feb 2014 #52
OK. I have Jewish DNA too. (hmm...... It's so boring to stay on topic).
so if you read the old book and it said that everyone comes from Adam and Eve and then they come from Noah after the flood are we all Jews?
would the DNA disprove the great flood or the old book was copied and modify from earlier texts like Sumerian?
I have Jewish DNA, but only know of Polish ancestry .
how i see that, you are Polish then. What does it matter if you think that you have some Jewish DNA
Nickidewbear 23 | 609
1 Feb 2014 #54
Then she's Poliyshe Yiddishe, not Poliyshe goyishe.
But the requirement for membership of the ethnic group which is set by that group is (and please do correct me if I'm wrong here) having a Jewish mother, right? Meaning that somebody who has a partly Jewish father isn't Jewish, yes?
That's the traditional Orthodox view.
Here in America, Reform/Reconstructionist Jews and secular Jews view someone as Jewish from either parent.
so if you read the old book and it said that everyone comes from Adam and Eve and then they come from Noah after the flood are we all Jews?
Noah was not Jewish...
I'm not surprised a Catholic has poor knowledge of the Bible...
PlasticPole 7 | 2641
1 Feb 2014 #56
and then they come from Noah after the flood are we all Jews?
What it is is three sons of Noah, see, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Jews came from Shem. Japeth gave us people of Europe and Asia Minor.
Nickidewbear 23 | 609
1 Feb 2014 #57
Biblically, Jewishness was traced through the dad with few exceptions. Abraham's descendants were reckoned through Isaac himself, not Isaac's mother. Isaac's descendants were reckoned through Jacob, not Jacob's mother. Jacob's descendants were reckoned through his sons, not their mothers. So goes the continuum. The exceptions include:
- The son of Shelomit the Danite.
- Hiram the son of the Naphtalite.
- Hiram the son of the Danite
- Timothy the son of Eunice the daughter of Lois
- The son of Shelomit the Danite.
- Hiram the son of the Naphtalite.
- Hiram the son of the Danite
- Timothy the son of Eunice the daughter of Lois
Assuming of course that any of those existed.
We're all God's children; that's what an atheist once told me.
Marek11111 9 | 807
1 Feb 2014 #60
Noah was not Jewish...
so non of us are Jewish? that would conclude that Jewish is just a religion not a race of people.