Polish and gypsy traditions

What's the Gypsy situation in Poland?

A long tradition. Differences linguistically between the groups in the north and in the south. Many/most settled.

This is Don Vasyl, a King of Gypsies.

He's a musician as are members of his family. His son, Vasyl Junior is good too.

Do they still support themselves primarily through begging and petty crime, even though settled?

No.There are people who come from further south to do that, however the stereotypes are usually wrong.

If they are wrong - then what do they do instead?

In Russia - if they are honest - they engage largely in vegetable sales (retail), and woodwork.

I know one who works in finance for a well known multinational, another one who is a public sector engineer and another two who are teachers, one a textbook writer too.

Some work in construction and a few other fields. Some are entertainers. Some are farmers.

Oh stop it...

He must be a half breed. Never saw a genuine Gypsy in finance.

Why not? Poland isn't r*SSia.

@jon357

Ok, maybe I'm wrong. I know plenty of people that lead normal lives that are half or quarter or whatever, but never a full blown representative of the people.

As far as I know that guy is,

There's quite a strong culture in Poland. Music festivals etc.

Never saw a Gypsy at work...Stealing or lying...no sweat...tax-free...

Hitler was right when he asked them kindly to self-deport.

I don't know to be honest - I personally don't know any and the only ones I've met were ladies doing fortune telling in the streets in the city centre, but that was years ago. In my city a more recent thing has been them going around blocks of flats and playing an accordion and singing songs - people then throw them money from the windows. When RuSSia's full scale invasion of Ukraine started they were playing "Hej, sokoły!", for example :)

Those who get into spotlight are usually in the music industry. For example, our most famous diva is Edyta Górniak who's Polish-Roma. Mother - Polish, father - Polish Gypsy. Her father was a guitar player in Don Vasyl's band and a bricklayer. From young generation of singers Viki Gabor is Roma:

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She won Eurovision Junior in 2020, btw :):




Please die already.

The very definition of parasites. That money was pity money, not a fair trade.


Why would Germans, the most creative and well organized society ever, want Gypsies? What's the upside?

Name two societies that are less compatible if you can.

In Warsaw, you used to get that about 25 years back. Very popular, everyone came out to listen. The6 always played Besame Mucho.

As I remember, those musicians were often Romanian.

Music by day. Stealing and prostitution by night...Real human treasure...

More people should adopt your lifestyle - sleeping by day, trolling by night

Which makes sense.

Using modern gene sequencing and linguistic analysis, scientists have narrowed down the origins of Gypsies to northwest India. Specifically Gujarat and Rajasthan.

It's speculated that it took them several hundred years to arrive in Europe (entering Europe through the Bosporus and through the northern Caspian Steppe).

But before we had DNA sequencing and other things, we had the story from the Shahnameh. The story is a mix of fact and legend, but it clearly shows they were initially called for their musical talents:

According to a legend reported in the Persian epic poem, the Shahnameh, the Sassanian king Bahram V Gor learned towards the end of his reign (421-439) that the poor could not afford to enjoy music, and so he asked the king of India to send him ten thousand luris, lute-playing experts. When the luris arrived, Bahrām gave each one an ox, a donkey, and a donkey-load of wheat so they could live on agriculture and play music for free for the poor. However, the luris ate the oxen and the wheat and came back a year later with their cheeks hollowed by hunger. The king, angered with their having wasted what he had given them, ordered them to pack up their bags and go wandering around the world on their donkeys.

To me it's mind blowing, that before airplanes, and ships, and trains, several tens of thousands of people managed to walk from India to Portugal - in what in historical terms - amounts to the blink of an eye.

There are certainly large gypsy populations in the Middle East. The country with the most Romany is Turkey.

What relation do your English, Welsh, and Irish "Gypsies" have to our gypsies?

I always thought that the "travelling folk" were basically English, Welsh, Irish in dress costume. That you don't have real gypsies?

They are all blood relations and Angloromani keep some of the traditions handed down even now. Scottish and Welsh gypsies use the term Kale (you'll hea4 that in Sweden too) to u decline their descent from a particular one of the four Roma tribes. Angloromani are also descended from that tribe.

Quite a few words 8n English come from the Roma languages.


You're thinking of Irish Travellers, a distinct group who are unrelated to Romany but have some things in common.


They don't wear special clothes unless it's at The Appleby Fair. The men sometimes wear hats as a tradition. Irish travellers' dress is the same as anyone else, except for brides on their wedding day who wear such big and heavy dresses that they have a wheeled frame under them to support the weight of the fabric and the car battery used to light them up. Worth looking at.

Same group we have in Russia.

Crazy that they managed to maintain commonality from Russia to UK.

Ours came from further west and from Scandinavia, mostly in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, however most of yours and all of ours and most in northern Poland are from that same tribe. Traditionally they worked with metals, especially making/mending pans and doing small repairs. The ones from Romania wh9 play music are generally from other tribes.

Some of ours still do.