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Polish and gypsy traditions


Katieee
15 Mar 2018 #1
Hi there, I met a polish and gyspy man, we were getting to know each other but I was very unfamiliar with their culture and traditions. I am from Ontario in Canada and he came it's his family for work. We both really hit it off then suddenly he freaked out and ended things quickly because of his family rules to only be with a polish or gypsy woman. Is this always the case ?? I'm not knowledgeable in their customs
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,602
15 Mar 2018 #2
Polish gypsies are much different to Poles which are more westernized Slavs and act more like Europeans save for a few nuances but families generally are nuclear now and there aren't really much care about relationships despite the church's teachings. Family is of course in Polish culture important but they're not quite like the gypsy traditions. Gypsy traditions have very strict extended family rules and the family structure is quite unique. The girls typically remain virgins too but then marry very young. The young ones often dress extremely provocative but the ones that abide by tradition will rarely if ever have sex with a guy outside of marriage.
gregy741 5 | 1,232
15 Mar 2018 #3
i use to live with gypsies.crazy bunch.they also have tradition of kidnapping girls for marriage.
and by culture,they are closer to indians or bangladeshi than slavic
OP Katieee
15 Mar 2018 #4
That makes sense. Thanks, Polish gypsies from my experience are very strict and family oriented.
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,602
15 Mar 2018 #5
Polish gypsies speak Polish and some of em even look a little Polish but generally darker skinned. They don't have a good reputation in Poland, even worse in Czechy and Romania. It's improved but the pockets a lot of they occupy are still known for petty crimes.

But yes you'll often find like 10 or even dozens of them together all in a house or some random evening. Their culture has always encouraged them to be kind of like outcasts and have their own communities. If he freaked out over something you figured to be fairly normal when meeting a guy it's likely due to a culture clash which if he's very ingrained in won't budge.
jon357 74 | 21,941
15 Mar 2018 #6
Some look identical to the rest of the population. There's a long and rich tradition of music.

Despite being often marginalised by other groups who live in the same territory, they hold fast to their traditions. They can often be very welcoming people, less dour than some of their neighbours.
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,602
15 Mar 2018 #7
Yes that is true a lot of htem are friendly though if they know and accept you, they're actually known for partying and probably one of the most famous polish songs of the 90's was bania u cygana - party at the gypsy's (house)
jon357 74 | 21,941
15 Mar 2018 #8
Not a bad song (though I prefer the obvious Krawczyk one). They do know how to party, and to be invited to one of their celebrations is a delight and an honour.

I know a few Poles with part gypsy roots.
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,602
15 Mar 2018 #9
Yup that is true. A lot of Roma/gypsy (or cygany as they're known in Polish) have moved into the cities. There's a few blocks in Wroclaw that are occupied primarily by gypsy families. This has kind of helped them and shed the old stereotypes back when they mainly lived in small towns and the countryside. A lot have hence become more integrated into Polish society. Also, you don't see the child beggars like in the past. There's still some but nowhere near as in the past.
kaprys 3 | 2,249
15 Mar 2018 #10
Marriages are often arranged in Gypsy families. No premarital sex - at least not with a woman they want to marry. The kidnapping thing is basically about it.

They often have their Gypsy wedding in their teens.
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,602
15 Mar 2018 #11
Yeah they basically 'kidnap' the woman they're already supposed to marry. In some cases though the girl is against it and legitimately fight back. This tradition is also common in some central Asian countries.
Ironside 53 | 12,493
15 Mar 2018 #12
Despite being often marginalised by other groups who live in the same territory,

BS, they marginalized themselves as is oft the case with groups that want to hold to their tradsional culture, identity and believes.
G (undercover)
15 Mar 2018 #13
They can often be very welcoming people

Quite often they can just steal something from you.
jon357 74 | 21,941
15 Mar 2018 #14
Yet oddly enough, never have. Perhaps you look like a target.

they marginalized themselves as is oft the case with groups

If it was as simple as that...
dolnoslask 6 | 2,946
15 Mar 2018 #15
Yet oddly enough, never have. Perhaps you look like a target.

You probably never had anything on you worth stealing, good thinking Jon
jon357 74 | 21,941
15 Mar 2018 #16
Only the ostentatious would, Dolno.

There used to be a bar in the middle of Park Skaryszewski, one that had a big summer-only building next to it with a bar and dancing. Sometimes at weekends the clientele would be mainly Polish Gipsy. Always dressed up very well, and plenty of dancing to modern and traditional music. It was a great place to go; I wonder if it's still there.
dolnoslask 6 | 2,946
15 Mar 2018 #17
There is still stuff happening: warsawcitybreak.com/events/gypsy-witchcraft-concert-show
Brzoska420
24 Jan 2022 #18
My maternal grandfather who looked like he could've been full-blood Roma parents emigrated from Poland. And I found out that I have a lot of DNA from northeastern Poland 17% Slavic, 14% Mediterranean DNA that came from unknown Romanian ancestry, 2.2% South Asian DNA from unknown Roma ancestry, and 4.37% Ashkenazi Jewish DNA
pawian 222 | 23,768
26 Jan 2022 #19
There was a gypsy musician who played the fiddle in the Old Town of Cracow for many years. He was blind and legless since early childhood. His musical genius was appreciated not only by tourists but also by pro musicians and composers, who offered him positions in their bands or orchestras. Amazing man. Amazing Roma people many of whom display such a natural talent for music.

Stefan Dymiter






pawian 222 | 23,768
27 Nov 2022 #20
The town council of Higland Zakopane considers Gypsy street bands a detriment to the image of the town - instead of local Highland folk music, they promote their Gypsy tunes or national disco polo hits.


jon357 74 | 21,941
27 Nov 2022 #21
@pawian
That's a shame. They used to be seen around Warsaw playing on the housing estates and were generally appreciated.
pawian 222 | 23,768
27 Nov 2022 #22
That's a shame.

While commenters under the vid are enthralled:

You are the grandchildren and descendants of those who, ten years ago, arrived to the forest near my family home, and there was no end to singing and playing by the fire. You are wonderful and it is a real joy to watch you.

This group rocks great.. πŸ‘πŸ‘the drummer is great, he feels the rhythm ...πŸ‘πŸ‘

Hey, hey highlander....! ;)) Thank you for recording this performance. This music flowing down KrupΓ³wki brings back beautiful memories... real art

Thanks for such a song and great performance thank YOU danke merci

BEAUTIFUL ️❀

This is the echo of KrupΓ³wki πŸ‘β˜€οΈπŸ‘

They rock nicely great bravo πŸ‘πŸ˜πŸ‘πŸ‘β€οΈ

the legs go dancing on their own, coolπŸ₯°πŸ₯°

SUPER LOVE YOU ARE GREAT

Something new, unusual and surprisingly catchy and at the same time pleasing

Wonderful, true. I wish there were more recordings like this.πŸ’ƒπŸ•ΊπŸ’πŸŽΆπŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸŒΉπŸ€

Super!! More music like this!!!

pawian 222 | 23,768
11 Feb 2024 #23
As a child I saw a few gypsy trains of caravans moving on the trail. They hit the road once a year and it was the biggest attraction for them - like a drug. They moved by beautifully ornamented horse drawn wagons and later by caravans pulled by cars.


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Novichok 5 | 7,853
11 Feb 2024 #24
Polish and gypsy traditions
Poles work.
Gypsies steal.
pawian 222 | 23,768
11 Feb 2024 #25
steal.

Not more than average Americans, Irish or Polish do. :):):
Alien 18 | 4,845
11 Feb 2024 #26
Gypsies steal.

@pawian
They used to steal horses, what are they stealing today?
Ironside 53 | 12,493
11 Feb 2024 #27
Not more than average Americans, Irish, or Polish do. :):):

Really? Do you have any data to prove it?
pawian 222 | 23,768
11 Feb 2024 #28
Yes, my own personal data. I had my property robbed or stolen several times in my life by white criminals born and raised in Poland, while have never had any problem with gypsy minority although I met dozens if not hundreds of them.
pawian 222 | 23,768
11 Feb 2024 #29
horses,

You reminded me of this beautiful song from late 1970s about traditional gypsies who are long gone.
PS. Communist authorities banned wandering and made Polish gypsies adopt urban lifestyle.

Today, there are no real Gypsies anymore
. Is it worth wandering around the world?
A full bowl and a radio "Poem" Instead of crying that burst from the lungs
A full bowl and a radio "Poem"
Instead of crying that burst from the lungs

The old life is gone.
Today, a warm scarf for winter.
Only horses, only horses, only horses, only horses. I feel sorry for them

The old life is gone
. Today dumplings, today a ball.
Only horses, only horses, only horses, only horses. I feel sorry for them

Today there are no real Gypsies anymore
Four corners and windows made of glass
Exams and school and stage fright
And the orchestra plays for us to dance

Today there are no real Gypsies anymore
And we are close to happiness
This life brightened like a stage
Only a bird walks among wagons

Today there is champagne, today there is a ball.
Only horses, only horses, only horses, only horses. I feel sorry for them
Da nananana nanananananana
Nanananananana nanananana
Only horses, only horses, only horses, only horses I feel sorry for


Poloniusz 4 | 697
11 Feb 2024 #30
PS. Communist authorities banned wandering and made Polish gypsies adopt urban lifestyle.

Yes but it often failed.

Hence the photos you copied from someone else of them from today living not much different from the last century.

Did you know that your fellow communists would give gypsy families fully furnished homes that were once owned by Jews who died during WWII?

The gypsies were so unaccustomed to living in such surroundings that they would either sell off or use the ornate furniture and parquet flooring as firewood. Once a home was hollowed out they would get back on their wagons and move on.


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