Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks.

Odra is Viadua.

Well here's a map of all the Slavic towns in what's present day Eastern Germany up to Elbe River.
The extent of Slavs in the West.

And that's why Ptolemy's map is so sensational and important.
These slavic settlement show the slavic "Drang nach Westen", not the german "Drang nach Osten", after all it has been the Germans who were pushed back to the west steadily for centuries now.

Everywhere where now Slavs settle settled once Germans.

The propaganda of the agressive Germans and the victimized Slavs is just a slavic myth!

Keep believing that myth if you want, it was always the other way around, anyway to get back to the topic of this thread read the link I provided in my first post it proves this point.

Contrary to you we have the proof, Ptolemy's map!
We don't need any propaganda...or selfmade hypothetical claims...

:)

What you have is a very inaccurate map with a Myth build around it, most of it written in the beginning of 20 th century.

Nope...we have an 1800 year old map by one of the most famous ancient cartographers which is about to bust some dear myths!

This dubious map seems to prove that many ancients lumped slavs in with Germans. Other errors also abound.
spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,720513,00.html

From the link: "...the data the ancient geographer used is distorted. Errors of scale crept in as he transcribed the Earth's sphere to the flat plane of a map. Ptolemy believed the northern lands to be narrower and more elongated than they are and bent Jutland in Denmark and Schleswig-Holstein in Germany too far to the east."

One can only imagine how inaccurate the guesswork was.

"The Berlin-based team pored over the recalcitrant data for six years, working together to develop a so-called "geodetic deformation analysis" that would help to correct the map's mistakes."

Wonder what a Warsaw based team would find?

Nothing dubios about it but a clear map...and he seems very able to differentiate between the Germanics and the Sarmatians! ;)


I think they will get access to the map if they ask for it....it's no secret!

The whole bruhaha just started...there will be alot written about this sensational findings in the coming years.
Many stats have to be rewritten in the history books...for example alot of german towns are 1000 years older than previously thought.

PS: Yeah...I can understand the need to deny these new findings by some slavic nationalists but hell...who cares!
As long as the mainstream history accepts this map and it's inclinations we all can live with your denial :)

Oh c'mon man, anyone can see the river Vistula on it. The shapes here and there might be inaccurate but the river is clearly shown on the map.

The Russian occupation time in Poland is over. Poland is a free and a much better country now. No need to stick to the old communist history and geography. You guys are free now and it's time to open up to the unknown before the 1989 historical facts.

I like Polish people, the only problem I have with you guys here and there is when we're talking about history because you still seem not to let go the old "truth".

igg.tu-berlin.de/1381


Meaning they expect a straightened map with an accuracy of 6 to 10 km for all ancient settlements.

(The scientists worked 6 years on that map to straighten it out, to "hack the code"....if they just wanted to fool the Poles they wouldn't need so much time and hard work)

;)

I have no idea where you went to school please stop spreading your propaganda.
maybe you can tell us how many books you read about Polish or German history.

BB stop showing German map in German as some kind of proof.

Hmmm, I just 'found' an old map in my overstuffed "Lazy Boy" chair. Must be about 2000 years old; shows that pro-Germans originated in Ethiopia but slowly worked their way north by hijacking Egyptian boats and paying off Gypsies to row them. They then intermingled with the native proto slavs along with a few Danes of dubious origin. People who came in contact with them got sick from their germs therefore [they] began calling them Germans.

The Zimmy Institute will investigate this astounding find and will reach the correct conclusions.

Propaganda? lol
To suspect an old Greek who lived almost 2000 years ago to be pro German, is simply ridiculous.


Ptolemy was a Greek, not a German.


Did you consider for a second that an American might like history and treat it as a hobby? Nope, because you know everything about us, we're all stupid and fat.

Well, one thing is for sure...your children will learn a slightly changed/more real european history than you did!
Ptolemy's map changes alot of statistics and facts....


Ptolemy wasn't a German!


And they hated Slavs and pushed them around for millennia, ja?
Try to publish this map on a slavic forum, they will lap it up!;)

whatever that is even worse you Germans just took someone work and claim or fabricate untruth conclusion, shame on you.

so guesswho how many history books you have red about Poland and Germany?

Yeah...that's why we claim "Ptolemy's map" as "German map" !

Oh Marek, you get more ridiculous by the day...you guys get really desparate.
But that are only the beginning pains...it will get much worse...once the history books get
all their new stats and Ptolemy's map is mainstream knowledge...

Heh:)
Can't wait!

We don't accept Ptolemy as a Greek. He was a confused Slav who got payed off by the Germanics to produce such a map. Can't say I don't admire the foresight!

And shame on you BB, for believing that a 2000 year old map is 100% accurate. Highly doubtful he even travelled that far north. Most was based on what he heard. Just look where he placed the British Isles, and Scandinavia. It is a very rudimentary map, with 30-40% accuracy at the very most.

Most likely more than you. At least I don't have any problems to accept the historical truth.

If you believe that you will pull me in your wannabe smart game, you're wasting your time. This won't work even though your IQ is praised to be way over the average, at least that's what I constantly get to hear on this forum.


At least you're funny :-)

just stop denying it you as Germans have a talent of stilling and falsifying documents that how you ended up with part of Poland and now you try to rob someone else.

Erm...he actually wasn't a Greek but a Roman with egyptian roots who wrote in Greek...
The Romans back than ruled cartography, having the whole roman Empire and stuff.

Ptolemy utilized mainly roman military intelligence....and that have been the best in the ancient times. :)


:):):)

Yeah...we were just to smart!


We and the roman egyptians actually.

But in the end we never avoid any work and costs to **** our polish neighbours off...our most favourite spare time hobby! :)

Who are you talking to?

good thing Hitler did knot know about the trick, he would have produce more maps as proof Africa was Seattle by Germans and America by a twelfth tribe of Germans.

Well...you don't have to believe me Marek but you can't stop it...seriously now.

In a few years you will read Ptolemy's stuff and statistics in every history book, also the polish ones, and there is nothing what you can do about it!

Get used to it....the whole thing just started.

yes i will read it as false document, just like the fake documents are found every day just as it might be good fake it is a fake

This is the problem though. The historical truth is really not something black or white. The map, was reproduced in the late medievel ages, a time when Germany was expanding into the east, towards *pagan* Poland and Lithuania Commonwealth. They also wanted to get into Prussia. And what better way to legitimize this great crusade to convert and destroy Slavic and Baltic people, than to claim that this land is ancient German land.

Johannes Falkenberg, known as one of the first thinkers/writers to advocate genocide, would have been at the forefront of the crusade.
Look at what he had to say: "the Emperor has the right to slay even peaceful infidels simply because they are pagans (...). The Poles deserve death for defending infidels, and should be exterminated even more than the infidels; they should be deprived of their sovereignty and reduced to slavery."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Falkenberg
Sound familiar?

It's not something new. Find me someone calling for the extermination of Germans, from the Polish side from that period, or from any other period (that is not a complete headcase in mental institute) This man was a dominican theologian! And widely accepted, from the looks of things.

Anyway, the map obviously has is its positive side too. It offers a look, albeit inaccurate, into the names/age of towns from the ancient period. But it could have too easily been fabricated/modified, what have you.

Well...nutters never die out! Crowie is that way ---->
;)

hat off to you, at least you're trying to stay constructive. It doesn't really matter what we both believe as long as we continue our discussion in a cultural manner.

Thanks for that.

Well, it really does help to ease the tension sometimes.

Very true and it makes you sympathetic too :-)