Origin of the pierogi

Do you not mean "pyrohy" ?

It's in cyrillic.

Some of us know words from hearing them in real life rather than specially looking them up online in order to argue.

And the're exactly the same as those served in Poland, in Russia and in other places. The same recipe, the same fillings, the same..

Yes, I've had pierogi in Russia and in Poland innumerable times. They are the same, except the Russians garnish them (and everything else) with dill.

I've had that in Poland too, though in Ukraine, they tend to have skwarki as in Poland. In Romania they use dill.

So you had Polish pierogi made in Russia. Russian one are different.

Russia does have a bigger variety of types, however they still have the basic ones.

Some of them ain't Russian.

Exactly, they come from the whole region. Most of which is Russia.

Never mind the origin.

The important question is when does the noble pierogi stop being pierogi?

The answer is when diversity is championed as a strength but in reality is nothing more than a delusion to be marketed to the masses.

Never! You will always find places which offer delicious original pierogis straight from your grandma`s kitchen. Also, you can make your own according to old recipes - who forbids you?


Yes, it is a great strength coz people have a choice - some choose original pierogis while other their exotic variations - Mexican pierogis, Indian pierogis etc etc. Diversity make life more colourful and interesting. Why do you reject it?

As societies diversify all the things you take for granted today eventually become nothing more than nostalgic memories.


You answered that yourself:


Exactly, no need to import excess labor from all over the world when they only end up bastardizing a Polish grandma's recipes.

Hmm, it is a very pessimistic view but is it based on rational premises or is just a product of your rich imagination? Show me an example of such a traditional thing which was first bastardised after the introduction of diversity anywhere you know of and then vanished out of sight, out of mind.


Don`t worry. If they want to keep their positions in food service industry, they will surely learn from their Polish workmates how to make original Polish pierogis.

Since we are not sure of origin maybe pierogi themselves pushed out something else? Did it ever cross your mind?

When did ramen stop being ramen?

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One day I entered a pierogi eatery in the open-air market in a big city in Poland. I was shocked to see such a variety of pierogis - apart from classic onjes: meat, cabbage, mushrooms, etc etc, they were about 2 dozen other stuffings available. Still remember broccoli stuffing - yuk! hahaha I bought some which looked the craziest.

I hate boiled broccoli but some people like it. The versatile offer of the above mentioned eatery allows people to satisfy their multiple and different needs. Simply speaking, diversity rulez!

What a coincidence. A recent article was published on a study conducted by researchers at the University of British Columbia which found:

"Virtue signalers are, essentially, phonies and showoffs - folks who adopt opinions and postures solely to garner praise and sympathy or whose good deeds are tainted by their need for everyone to see just how good they are."

Read more about it here: zerohedge.com/markets/narcissists-psychopaths-manipulators-are-more-likely-engage-virtuous-victim-signaling-study

No, thank you. I don`t have time - I am discussing pierogis, not signallers or signallists, if you haven`t noticed. hahahaha

I bought some chili con carne pierogi from somewhere in Kraków a while ago, they were excellent!

Notice how this chap immediately resorted to posting links from dubious far-right websites - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

Yes, one can stuff pierogis with ingredients from all over the world. Is tradition undermined in any way? No, it is only strengthened coz the dish is still pierogis. People who prefer exotic tastes don`t need to look for them in other countries, they can do it in Poland using time-honoured pierogis, only slightly modified.

Diversity rulez in case of multinational pierogis coz they allow citizens to enjoy worldly life while staying in the country!! International pierogis are the best dish for every patriotic Pole!


That chap is our old friend. hahaha As for the link, I immediately smelled the rat seeing such primitive vocabulary in the quote. Do researchers from the Uni of BC use such words as phonies, showoffs, folks, etc. in their scientific papers??? hahaha

I like that kind. Also Pierogi Lwowskie, a 1930s recipe where the pierogi are filled with a dry-ish Bolognese sauce.


Traditionally, there has always been creativity in pierogi fillings. There are many possibilities, and new ideas all the time.


Poland (or Belarus, Ukraine, Russia, or anywhere else that has pierogi in their national cuisines) are not skansens, frozen in the past and incapable of creativity or development.

Exactly. One cannot contain diversity, it is a natural process alongside progress or a result of it. Hence, the question concerning diversity is not if, but when and how long it takes to introduce it.

That is why I will never cease to wonder why some people reject diversity if it is so natural.

zero hedge isn't that bad, judgement is needed on the part of readers but it's accuracy rate easily matches or exceeds that of laughably bad newspapers like the New York Times (propaganda shadow of its former self) or the Graundian...

Reading only sites approved of by twitter and facebook is a recipe for brain rot and duck speech....

Please stick to the topic

I tried for the first time last year, pierogi containing lung, pierogi z płuckami? They were really delicious in fact! I am quite tradtional though, I still love pierogi ruskie, despite not liking potatoes.They taste different in that dish.

Wow, amazing!

Now, I think I got a taste for pierogis with sushi filling. I must cook them one day.

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How much do you know about POLISH PIEROGI?

Pierogi is a Polish dish, right?
Funnily enoguh, nobody ever talks where they are actually from ...

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There are filled dumplings that occur in one form or another across half the world.

If you've got an interesting point about them, why not write about it rather than post a link to some 'youtube' video, since anyone with an average or bove IQ can read and understand far more quickley than they can listen to some lowbrow grifter droning on and posting it on a video site.

Where do samosas fit in? Independent invention or adaption of the original (I thought the origin was more Mongolian but I could be wrong)....

What about empenadas?

What does the Arab world have?

Depends where (it obviously covers a huge area with different crops, animals and tempearatures) however they've got things like empanadas, they like samosas and bukhari cuisine (something Arabs often like) have a kind of pieróg.

I'd guess that meat or veg filled dumplings are a pretty well universal way of cooking things, and the origins of the Polish/r*SSian/Ukrainian type of pieróg are probably lost deep in time.