Why do Poles come to England?

A lot more typically if you are non EU. Not sure about EU though, I would imagine they would pay the same as Brits

true on average leaving university puts you in a lot of debt in this country ie the UK so obtaining a degree definitely is not FREE.


true again


EU close to what we British pay

I see you've met Puzzler :)


Except.... At least with this degree, I can get a wonderful job. That's what the people I know say and I'm sure there are more out there like that.

if people are allowed to move abroad and make money to pay for school, help family
or just plain save for their future.. then why would you even think somethings wrong
with that?

and FYI people have been given a choice, something they didnt have before, Poland
will always be their first home.. some will return, some may like their new found homes
and some may have other plans to move to yet another country.. so what!!!

I find it more Odd, that people would even question education, bettering oneself,
or even making a living which is the first and formost thing everyone has to do to
keep their survival and livelyhood number one..

people do it all the time,, I find it odd and idiotic that this was even a Question to
begin with..

if people want to live in another country,, then live with it!!


you as a teacher listen to People ( poles say we as a country will never catch up)
interpret.

but it was your words that you said Poles are so full of them selfs..

so why teach in a country where you dont like the people? or have such a bias
opinion? that makes me sick sad and upset.. because maybe your teaching them
wrong because you are not so fond of those full of themselfs polish people.

it was your words.. good ole Polish mentality.. puzzler had you pinned..

but maybe that wasnt what you meant to say after all right?

I dare to disagree, glowa. His Polish, his "kmiotish" behavior can be only seen by another Pole.

quoting Michal:

"since 1945 and that my relatives no longer alive spoke a very different Polish language to that spoken today"

this explains why Poles emigrate to England

ROTFL. the documentary of the year. :)

I am sorry, but I really do not understand the above sentence.

Yes, I must agree, she sounds very pompous-even worse than me!


Am I right or wrong? The language has indeed changed a lot over the years so too has English but not in the same way or at the same speed.


You do come over as a little bit arrogant but sometimes I say something and it is interpreted in the wrong way. That is the trouble where you have a forum but you can not see the people to whom you are addressing.


What does that mean?


Mind, you, they are still pretty cheap. You can take out loans and you do not have to pay anything back until you start to earn over a certain amount. When you reach fifty, the loans are all wiped out anyway.


Yes I understand that and I would do the same. I do not blame the poles for what they do I blame the British Government for allowing it happen in the first place. I was always against British membership of the Common Market, as it was all those years ago because I could see the future when the Russian soldiers would return to their homeland after their magnificiant work freeing eastern Europe in 1945. Why should I pay taxes for Czech swimming pools, Bulgarian roundabouts, Polish students and Greek Leisure centres? It is beyond me! In Polish czarna magia.

"when the Russian soldiers would return to their homeland after their magnificiant work freeing eastern Europe in 1945."

You need to read a book mate.

What did the Russians 'free' Eastern Europe from? What freedoms did Eastern Europeans attain post-1945?

A new order after they were 'invited' by Poland implement a new government after World War 2.

Your just mad because your not Polish. :P

:]

Which planet did you say you came from ?

Oh, yeah , that stupid one that got blown up by a meteorite.......hahaha !!!

They looked after Poland well for fifty years.

Not only do you re write history according to your 'head' you also re write the polish language to suit your 'head' too.........

Surprise, surprise a Russian who believes in his own country........RUSSIA !!!!

Why don't you go and live in Russia ?? Leave the Polish people alone and go and join a Russian forum. Much better suited for you, don't you think !!!

Probably got kicked out.

:]

probably right

He might be going for a record. "Most countries 1 man has ever been exiled from"

Yes. Wonder whether that is why he can 'speak' many different languages then ?

:)

Yes, I am no expert-I simply like to dabble and why not? I make mistakes all the time and learn from those mistakes. The Polish on this forum also make dreadful mistakes too for that matter. You can not expect me to think in three languages at all times together and faitr any better than anybody else. After all, I am not a professional translator and I do not expect payment If people want a professional job they can always go and pay a translator for their services! On the whole, I can make myself understood in Poland and I never have any problems it is just another slavonic language at the end of the day with a simplified alphabet! Try Russian translation some day and see the true difference!

HET

:)

it is nice of you to make the translations, same as with everyone else here who does it for free.

From now on 100 rubles for each word!

you amuse me - are you deliberately planting these 'hints' everywhere or have I missed an admission?

No one expects or wants anything from you. You called someone else 'arrogant' on this forum in another post. I say to you, that you are the 'arrogant' one thinking everyone needs you to translate for them.

Lot's of people are very willing and kindly help out with the translations in a nice, informal manner. Without being horrible towars other posters.

If you read the previous posts properly, you would see that no one is 'expecting' you to be an expert. You don't even read properly what people do write, maybe because you do not understand 'English' as well as you think you do. You often misinterpret people's posts on here. Then you post not nice things about Polish people and their way of life.

I pity you. Life is here to be lived and enjoyed with other people, not constantly being at loggerheads with them.

The Russians did clear the Germans out of Poland which cost the Russians at least a million lives.

The Russian armies which pushed the Germans out of Poland consisted of the Belorussian Front / Ukrainian Front which included the Polish 1st and 2nd Armies

Major Offensives:

1. Operation Bagration (June 1944- August 1944)
Russians push Germans out of Eastern Poland, Ukraine and Belarus.
Estimated Casualties : Germans 300,000 Russians 100,000 killed

2. Lublin-Brest Offensive (July 1944- September 1944)
Russain attack to clear Germans from Central Poland. Russians secure Lublin and Brest regions however stop on the shores of the Vistula river across from Warsaw where the Poles were Uprising against the Germans.

Casualties : Germans 120,000 Russians 80,000 killed

3. Lvov-Sandomierz Offensive (July 1944)
Russians drive Germans out of Lwow and Sandomierz region
Estimated Casualties: Germans 300,000 Russians 100,000 killed

4. Vistula-Oder Offensive (January 1945- February 1945)
Russians drive from the Vistula to the Oder river pushing the Germans out of Poland.
Estimated Casualties: Germans 100,000 Russians 80,000 killed

5. Battle of Berlin (April 1945- May 1945)
Russians/Polish Army drives into Berlin and captures the capital of Nazi Germany.
Estimated Casualties: Germans 458,00 Russians 300,000 killed

Hence we Poles must remember that many Russian lives were lost to rid Poland of German Occupation

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In order to replace it with the 'Russian Occupation...

When the germans were on the Run out of Warsaw, why did the red army sit on the other side of the Wisla river while Varsovians fought for 63 days uprising! (of which the Russian radio'd warsaw to start!) AND the red army did NOT allow the british to use its airfields to airdrop supplies to the AK!! and when they did it was already too late!

So lets not forget that poland doesn't forget the German occupation, the russian occupation or the betrayal by roosevelt, churchill and stalin (in Tehran conf.) that decided polands fate for after the war WITHOUT polands knowledge!

As to WHY the Poles come to england - to make a living id imagine!? why else migrate?

Well said Daffy :)

Getting back the the earlier part of this thread about Polish people coming to the UK (est. 400,000), did you know that 385,000 young UK citizens emigrated to other countries? It sounds like a trade off. Have a look at the link, there are some interesting comments.

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Record numbers are leaving Britain
Posted by Robin Yapp on 22 Aug 2007 at 13:47
Tags: Britain, ex-pats, migration, ONS

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/ukcorrespondents/makingnews/aug07/recordnumbersl eavebritain.htm

Apart from the obvious fact that uncle joe couldnt care less about warsaws fate ;
After a major offensive across belorussia,ukraine and eastern Poland the RKKA (the "Red Army " is civil war/post war name) was exhausted with huge supply lines and coping with the problems of resupplying over land the germans had destroyed in their retreat. Also,The germans may have been " on the run " from Warsaw but the western banks of the vistula (apart from the magniuszew bridgehead) were firmly held by strong,fresh german forces.

No army attacks blindly into a major city as street fighting causes the highest casualty figures in modern warfare , nor can an army easily mount a crossing of a major river underfire without weeks of preperation, as demonstrated when elements of the Polish 1diw tried to reach Czerniakow and were slaughtered mid river(or indead the Polish airborne a few days later in Holland trying and failing to cross the rhine to come to the aid of british soldiers) and resupply was impposible.


Not all fought by a long shot,yes the heros af the Armia krajowa and other underground movements rose up to fight and were joined by many warsawians either fighting or helping to run the liberated parts of the city. But many people wanted nothing to do with the uprising and the death and destruction it brought for nearly 200thousand civilians with no choice in the matter.


this was actually Polish communist radio broadcasting from lublin and a bit disengenuas as plans for Operation Tempest had been made months before hand and the London gov' would have gone ahead with a rising regardless of any such broadcasts from people already not trusted by the AK et al


again,the RKKA would not have had any say in this ,Stavka might but records show this was a direct order from uncle joe himself. Plus the fact that in a tightly controlled airspace you dont want to risk provoking an international incident with "friendly fire" (as happened but later hushed up).

Anyhow,the RAF (british ,commenwealth and Polish aircrews) did fly heroic missions to Warsaw and the surrounding countryside from a base in Brindisi and managed to drop much needed supplies,unlike the ONE flight of USAAF planes which did more to re supply the germans than anything the OKH had done...

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Yes and serious historians (not patriotic tub thumpers) also recognise that many Poles "betrayed" Poland,the lublin "government"...Berling(not all his soldiers) etc

Britain had been fighting 2 days less than Poland,do you seriously expect that churchil would have led us to certain defeat against the USSR in an unwinnable fight? Come on,he was english not a romantic Pole or Scot on a fool hardy fight to the death for honor thing.....

Dont let anyone take away the heroics of the AK from this,just dont simplyfy history,it doesnt do their memory justice
k.