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Why do Poles come to England?


UKGUY 3 | 87  
22 Aug 2007 /  #1
The polish just come because they don't like their countrym they believe that any country is better than their's, and because in England they think they can make alot of mkoney
Lady in red  
22 Aug 2007 /  #2
Poles are inanimate objects........

Dictionary definition of 'pole'

link for more is :- dictionary.reference.com/browse/Poles

pole 1 (p?l) Pronunciation Key
n.
Either extremity of an axis through a sphere.
Either of the regions contiguous to the extremities of the earth's rotational axis, the North Pole or the South Pole.
Physics A magnetic pole.
Electricity Either of two oppositely charged terminals, as in an electric cell or battery.
Astronomy A celestial pole.
Biology
Either extremity of the main axis of a nucleus, cell, or organism.
Either end of the spindle formed in a cell during mitosis.
The point on a nerve cell where a process originates.
Either of two antithetical ideas, propensities, forces, or positions: "the moral poles of modern medicine: on the one hand, a tinkering with procreation with at best ambiguous, at worst monstrous moral possibilities. On the other hand, scientific skill and cunning unambiguously in the service of hope" (Charles Krauthammer).

A fixed point of reference.
Mathematics The origin in a polar coordinate system; the vertex of a polar angle.

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And UKGUY, what do you base your assumptions on ? Because to me it doesn't make any sense.

I doubt Polish people think 'any country is better than theirs'. Poland is a poor country, held back and deprived in so many ways because of the Communism which was forced upon them.

They have the ability to earn more for working damned hard in another country now. It's a natural thing to happen and am sure if you were in the same position you would do the same. The UK depends on immigrants to keep the country running with all the services we have come to expect. Immigration is nothing new and we should feel grateful and fortunate that people are willing to come here, work flat out for minimum wages, doing jobs which many of us would not want to do.

So, I think you should read and absorb more information before coming out with such statements.....

Just my personal view but don't touch the igniion button lol
(just kidding)

:)
Magdalena 3 | 1,837  
22 Aug 2007 /  #3
The polish just come because they don't like their countrym they believe that any country is better than their's, and because in England they think they can make alot of mkoney

Well I am sorry to say the above about sums it up... Even though Poles (name of nationality as in Finns, Danes, Czechs, Russians, etc) are supposedly very patriotic and proud of their country, the truth is that they can't wait to leave it :-(

I haven't met a nationality so eager to complain about their country of origin, and yet so full of themselves (a typical Polish paradox I guess).

I have also wondered why so many Poles have come to England and Ireland when there are other countries happy to accept them - Sweden, Spain, and recently the Netherlands if I remember right. You could say it's because of the language barrier but most of them don't speak English either, so what's the difference?

And here I am complaining about the Polish mentality, so that makes me one of the lot! ;-)
szarlotka 8 | 2,209  
22 Aug 2007 /  #4
I haven't met a nationality so eager to complain about their country of origin

Very true. Almost on a par with the Brits for moaning about things in general and their country in particular - but woe betide you if you are not Polish and you join in!

Yes I think it's about money and short term opportunity. For the young ones I guees there is also the travel bug and to some of them the UK was the cash fuelling stop before they went off travelling further afield.
Lady in red  
22 Aug 2007 /  #5
Very true.

I wonder how much louder and more vociferously, the 'Brits' and other similar countries would be complaining if they had been forced to live under a Communist regime ? You have to remember that Polish people are not communists, never have been and never will be YET they had to live under the Communist rule for a long period of their time.

Some British people just complain about everything under the sun because it is their nature......not because of circumstances forced upon them.........

:)
szarlotka 8 | 2,209  
22 Aug 2007 /  #6
Some British people just complain about everything under the sun because it is their nature......not because of circumstances forced upon them.........

True in that we have less to complain about. It's just that I was told by my Father that the Poles he fought with in WWII used to complain about everything (in a funny way) including their country. It's an intersting thought - is is experiential or not?
scarbyirp  
22 Aug 2007 /  #7
Some British people just complain about everything under the sun because it is their nature

also The English seem to have forgotten that they went to Germany in the early 1990's looking for work in the building industry . . .cos the economy England was in recession and there was no work.
Daisy 3 | 1,227  
22 Aug 2007 /  #8
The English seem to have forgotten that they went to Germany in the early 1990's looking for work in the building industry

I know of a few that stayed and are still in Germany now
sapphire 22 | 1,241  
22 Aug 2007 /  #9
The polish just come because they don't like their countrym they believe that any country is better than their's, and because in England they think they can make alot of mkoney

Of course they come to make money, but that doesnt mean they all hate their country. I have found the opposite to be true in fact. Some may complain about the economy/politics or whatever, but when it comes down to it most are patriotic. Guess you could the same about a lot of Brits, we love to run our country down, but when a foreigner trys to do it we get all defensive and patriotic.
randompal 7 | 306  
22 Aug 2007 /  #10
The polish just come because they don't like their countrym they believe that any country is better than their's, and because in England they think they can make alot of mkoney

I like my country and that's why I choose to stay here. I don't think any country is better than Poland, and certainly not England, which is full of fat arrogant bores, bad food, and weather even worse than Poland's. Plus in England they have those ridiculous seperate hot/cold water taps in bathrooms - you would think that the greedy clods who once ran an international empire would think of a smarter way to wash.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
22 Aug 2007 /  #11
perhaps you could explain to me randompal why polish toilets have little platforms for the poo to sit on before it gets flushed?
randompal 7 | 306  
22 Aug 2007 /  #12
so you can have a good look at it before it departs for the underworld.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
22 Aug 2007 /  #13
thats what i thought
davidpeake 14 | 451  
22 Aug 2007 /  #14
lol, i thought it was strange to, but it just not Poland, even in Holland, and now i have worked out where the saying DUTCH OVEN comes from. It is there food. :)
delina - | 1  
22 Aug 2007 /  #15
just for better like no one hate better life
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
22 Aug 2007 /  #16
Ok guys,

this seems to have turned into are other countries better than poland, well on that note in some cases you could say yes, If poland was so good and could support all its people, offer them jobs, pay them a decent wage etc etc then the Polish would have no need to come to the UK to work in such numbers.

It is my understanding that there were just over 400,000 registered Polish Nationals working in the UK, that is an awful lot of Polish who seem to feel they can have a better life in this country rather than their own. I'm also sure there are Poles here who arrived before Poland joined the EU there for they were illegals and will not appear on this register.

I'm not trying to say Poland is a bad country of course not and the Polish like any nation i'm sure have a lot to be proud of, history, exports, inventions and so on and so on.

I have not complaints about Polish people or anybody from the EU coming to the UK if they want to better themselves however it does annoy me when they arrive and declare, 'well back in Poland its better' because because because, this makes me feel like saying, 'well you know where the airport is, you can fly back to where you came from'

I don't think i need to go into any other detail why the UK offers a better quality of life for Poles and other nationals than their own countries and i haven't even touched on economic factors, government rule and open opportunities.

thnx

T
sapphire 22 | 1,241  
22 Aug 2007 /  #17
England, which is full of fat arrogant bores,

hey mate, you look pretty overweight yourself!

This convo. seems to be going on in 2 threads
Wyspianska  
22 Aug 2007 /  #18
All Poles which i know and which come to England are faggots. Think they are so cool, cuz they are working in foreign country. In fact they are much worse in english than me and just clean british asses.

There are some educated Poles too for sure. Some doctors and so on. I just talk about situation which i know from my reality. Circle of YOUNG Poles.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
22 Aug 2007 /  #19
what a well worded and clearly well educated statement that was, wow i hope your teacher is proud of how he/she taught you :) come on wysp your cleverer than that.
Wyspianska  
22 Aug 2007 /  #20
what a well worded and clearly well educated statement that was

U dont have to be mischievous, my english is better than ur polish for sure Oo

i hope your teacher is proud of how he/she taught you :)

I havent got teacher
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
22 Aug 2007 /  #21
my english is better than ur polish for sure Oo

i'm sure it is, however if polish was spoken as much round the world as english i'm sure i would have learned it too :)
Wyspianska  
22 Aug 2007 /  #22
Just come to Poland and u will hear it all the time.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
22 Aug 2007 /  #23
really, they speak Polish in Poland, well i'd never heard that before thanks for the heads up hahahahahaha :):):):):)
Wyspianska  
22 Aug 2007 /  #24
LOL
Michal - | 1,865  
22 Aug 2007 /  #25
ways because of the Communism which was forced upon them.

I think in fact that they chose it rather than it being something forced upon them.

really, they speak Polish in Poland, well i'd never heard that before thanks for the heads up haha

In fact it must be remembered that the new Polish borders are indeed new since 1945 and that my relatives no longer alive spoke a very different Polish language to that spoken today. A lot of the Polish in England today are not the same 'animal' as those of the 1945 era. I see them outside and listen to what they say and a lot of what they say is very unpleasant-I can understand their language, well, more or less!

There are some educated Poles too for sure. Some doctors and so on. I

Yes, we did have an influx of educated phd type Polish immigrants in the early 1990's but these are very different from those of today coming in to the country.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
22 Aug 2007 /  #26
Hmm I dont think we left England by the millions though...a few thousand maybe...but nice try :)
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
22 Aug 2007 /  #27
"

Quoting: Lady in red
ways because of the Communism which was forced upon them.

I think in fact that they chose it rather than it being something forced upon them."
yeah,alright Michal,sort of forgeting 1945-47 there arnt you,and so sure all the members of the Armia Krajowa were just dying to sign up as good little stalinists......

"I see them outside and listen to what they say and a lot of what they say is very unpleasant-"
Sometimes yes,I hear the Polish equivelent of the F word a heck of a lot from young "chavs" but this can be funny,especially when elderly Polish ladies of the "'45" generation hit them with a brolly :)

"Yes, we did have an influx of educated phd type Polish immigrants in the early 1990's but these are very different from those of today coming in to the country."

Rubbish,just showing snobbery or the circles you move in there M',plenty of educated/inteligent people are still arriving. What makes me smile is that many Poles in my area are not only speaking or improving in English but also learning some of our other "local" languages such as Uhrdhu and Punjabi.........

k.
ps,amethyst,I think we do have something like 2 million expats from the UK so.....atleast in most cases its villans going to the med to rub shoulders with dodgy russians lol
sapphire 22 | 1,241  
23 Aug 2007 /  #28
All Poles which i know and which come to England are faggots. Think they are so cool, cuz they are working in foreign country. In fact they are much worse in english than me and just clean british asses.

Just wondering how much an hour you get for wiping British arses? sounds like a crap job to me.
szarlotka 8 | 2,209  
23 Aug 2007 /  #29
Just wondering how much an hour you get for wiping British arses?

I believe the going rate is roughly $2 an hour less than that Tony Blair got for doing the same job on George W
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
23 Aug 2007 /  #30
Another 'pleasant' post, this time from a type calling himself 'Ukguy.' Let's analyse it bit by bit.

re: Why do Poles come to England?

- And why not? They are allowed to come. Very often they are attracted by English employers to come. Their coming is legit, just as the English coming to Poland is legit. Besides, they come because they have a good image of the English as one of the very few EU nations that are friendly towards the Poles.

re: The polish just come because they don't like their countrym they believe that any country is better than their's

- And what is your proof that the above is true? I hope your proof is sounder than your ortography.

re: and because in England they think they can make alot of mkoney

- Perhaps only really dumb and autistic ones would think so. Most of the Poles learn beforehand, from other Poles, that although jobs in England are aplenty (the main reason the Poles come to England rather than e.g. to Sweden), they are very low paid and the cost of living is often absurdly high.

Now, do you suggest, pal, that Poles coming (legally) to England constitute any problem to the English? If yes, then what would this problem be?

There are thousand and one other nationalities coming to England. Scores of them come illegally. There are scores of nationalities right now in England whose number is far higher than that of the Poles (who come predominantly for a short-term stay).

Do you also sneak into these nationalites' forums and ask them compulsive pseudo-questions, such as those you ask about the Poles? Do you scribble your own replies to your questions that are insulting to these peoples? If yes, which forums are these?

You call yourself 'UKGUY,' and not e.g. Englishguy. Does it follow you're not English?

And here's another Polonophobe, this time, apparently, a female, calling herself 'Magdalena,' and allegedly half-Polish, half-Czech to boot.

Let's go through her post bit by bit too.

re: Well I am sorry to say the above about sums it up...

- Do you mean that 'ukguy' tells the truth when he alleges that all the Poles coming to England come there out of hatred towards Poland? Give proof that this allegation is true. Aren't you projecting your own (Czech?) Polonophobia on all the Poles? The fact that you left Poland out of hatred for Poland doesn't mean that all (real) Poles share your hatred, you know?

re: Even though Poles (name of nationality as in Finns, Danes, Czechs, Russians, etc) are supposedly very patriotic and proud of their country, the truth is that they can't wait to leave it :-(

- What do pride and patriotism have to do with one's going abroad to make money there? So does the fact that you're sitting abroad - in England, actually - mean you're not patriotic and proud of your country, whichever the country is?

re: I haven't met a nationality so eager to complain about their country of origin, and yet so full of themselves (a typical Polish paradox I guess).

- Do you mean that in your own subjective experience the Poles complain about Poland more than non-Poles about their nationalites? Do you suggest that your assertion is objectively true as well? - It appears it isn't, e.g. Szarlotka suggests that the Britsh also complain about Britain a lot. Now why would one's complainng about his country would necessarly be a negative thing? And why one's not complaining about one's country would be necessarily a good thing? Maybe those who are observed to complain are actually more honest and less xenophobic than those who are observed not to complain? Have you met those other less-complaining nationalities outside their countries? If yes, then according to your apparent definition of patiotism and pride in one's country, they aren't patriotic and proud, because of being abroad. Please, give facts proving your allegation that the Poles are 'full of themselves' and that they are so more than others.

re: I have also wondered why so many Poles have come to England and Ireland when there are other countries happy to accept them - Sweden, Spain, and recently the Netherlands if I remember right. You could say it's because of the language barrier but most of them don't speak English either, so what's the difference?

- What a smart question (inaczej). Has it occured to you that Poles come to England because, unlike e.g. in Sweden, there are pleny of jobs there? Where did you take it from that most of the Poles coming to England don't speak English? Have you met and spoken to them all? Haven't Poles been praised for speaking the language, actually?

You apparently dsapprove of Poles comng to England. But YOU are sitting in England too. Do you hope that when you slam the Poles who come to england you divert attention from herself? Do you hope that when you join the Pole-bashing mob, you will be taken in by them?

re: And here I am complaining about the Polish mentality, so that makes me one of the lot! ;-)

- Nope, you're not one of the 'lot.' Being a Polonophobic Czech, you're actually more of the other lot - the mixes. All those half Poles half Ukrainians, half Czechs, etc. In my experiences, they are the proper Polonophobes. No real Pole would scribble what you have scribbled here.

For some reason this board seems to attract such individuals. Before, there was one 'miranda,' a fierce Polonophobe of mixed Ukrainan extraction, living in Canada.

And now we have Magdalena the Czech.

I wonder if she sneaks into Czech forums and slam the Czechs just as she slams us? Somehow I seriously doubt she does.
:)
PS. The hatred towards Poland exhbited by the surrounding little nations
is an interesting phenomenon in itself, and resembles the Anglophobia of the little nations surrounding England.

And here's the usual Polonophobic psychopath and compulsive liar calling himself 'Michal.'

The only one who should really be kicked out from this forum.

And yet he lingers on and spreads hate with impunity.

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