Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land!

So what is your solution then Ola? How would you like to see future?

Poland member of EU yes or no, open borders yes or no?

BTW, I do agree the west should not have given poland up to the russians after the war. But that was half a century ago and lets move forward now and come up with some constructive discussion about this issue. Don't let emotions get in the way of this .....

People do create their own realities, but at what price. I don't believe that some people will ever be able to afford houses simply because they are close to retirement or they have other limitations. Some people luck of housing has to do with their economic situation, and if there is not job, there is no job. Especially in certain parts of Poland.

Selling us to Russia had its result in our poorness right now so I wont forget it and will mention this every time the discussion is about polish economy, its strictly connected how can you not see it. Our situation as new EU member is very unfair as we have to face countries that were free since WWII, built their strong economy and now want to buy out our land and make us their economic slaves. We have no chance against storng economically countries so there should be restrictions when it comes to property market and prices in our land. It doesnt mean that Im against EU, Im all for it but so far we are treated very unfair.

My solution to the property market is:

Every member of EU should be allowed to work and buy home in every EU country only if he lived and worked constatntly in this country for three or more past years.

there are restrictions... huge ones that make the property buying process very difficult for non-poles... but only for another couple of years... mmwwwuhhhhaaahhaaa

Ola,
if you have read any real estate market analysis, you would find out that bying property by foreign investors is just one of the reason the market has gone up.

Ola, why don't you form an organization who proposes such things to the government of Poland. I know, I know, Polish government does not cooperate. Yet, staring small it migh grow into a bigger thing. Nowdays people use the internet to set up websites for such things and organize petitions. Perhaps that's a solution for now, since bashing foreing memebrs of this forum just creates a bad atmosphere. They will go ahead and buy, if they have a chance anyways.

and a very very small one at that

bub dont tell me I didnt warn you.

you are obviously making veiled warnings of sorts but i am not quite clear about what

Calm down all... dont let a discussion turn into hostile argument... lets keep it til making points - giving opinions - and disscuss! After all we are all humans...all the same.

I agree... and it is just very true...that I also witness among Polish youth (in an ever increasing number)... and they are no happy about the HOUSING SECTOR... they feel dissappointed... our ecomonical situation is not improving at a similar rate to the rising prices. Just the simple dreams look like fantasies... it is painful for many people. Different people deal with it in different manners - Although the goal is same ... a home. Trust me my friends from all over the world... it is a lovely little dream I can see in the eyes of my friends... although after some time... i trace sorrow ~ because some fear it might not come soon enough... or never come to them at all. Not only the Native Polish, but also the immigrant person who is definately now a Polish (living and earning here - be s/he from any race or religion).

But then... there is always a good solution! Solution that suits everyone... all must make a few compromises... for a good healthy solution - without any ill feeling created between fellow humans!

I wish all the people here all the success in life! Also...I pray that our govt. understands that the average Pole's basic needs are far from being met.

The EU is not a charoty ola we agree.

The EU is an organisation built on bettering the lives of EU citizens. This includes Poland. And now the EU are helping you to build Poland into an economic power to better the lives of its citizens and the citizens of all Europe. (where is the Charity in that? - its simple economics. If i do well and you do well, we both do well. This is opposed to older 'nation' economics of the early 20th Century which helped in precipitating war! - the sanctions and the collapsed economey allowed Hitler to manuipulated a starving nation. The EU has now since prevented this from ever happening again. Yes or No? (rhetorical question, the answer is obviously, Yes))

Now, when people are frustrated and roused, they look for someone or something to blame. In the housing market, you see foreign investors as the aggressor. I think you should find the property analysis about who is buying what in Poland. If you wish to 'blame' anyone (and i dont suggest blame is appropriate at all) its your government you should focus on. It is the Polish Government you need to 'warn about pending revolution about property' not innocent investors from home or abroad who's only crime is having the money. (Which your crime is envy! - if you had the money you wouldnt be here talking about this)

I know it is frustrating. I cannot afford a home in my own country (or yours!!!) but I know economics and its not down to foreign investors (though they exist) it is a combination of many factors! along with global markets, costs of materials, labour, access to services and facilites, increasing wages, increased demand greater than supply, government policy, etc.

Look towards your own governments policy on housing ola and i believe you will see why you cannot afford a home. If there is any linear, logical, rational thought, you cannot deny 1+1=2

You are so smart Daf. :)

diplomatic voice of reason

wiem, wiem ale can you believe i felt i HAD to state the obvious....


i hate posts - you cant here sincerity over sarcasm :)

buts its BW so its gotta be sincere :)

not always - but this time definately :)

this thread is full of hostility because of Ola, who is probably enjoyng this and all the attention she can get. I haven't seen you posting in other threads and haven't seen any constructive opinions about Poland from you yet. Is it because you don't have any?

you cannot be serious!! how much money has the EU just given to Poland in the last two years???

unfair???


im sure she does have them, they involve pole on pole crime to remove poles that leave and return to buy land

and not to forget revolution

oh wait, you said construtive....my bad

Bla Bla Bla...

We get some things, but lose others... I wouldn't say that we are treated unfair, but membership in EU for Poland is not such paradise as some seem to believe.

With arguement like that i see you'll go far. All you've done is shown you cannot refute the fact that the EU has been good for poland (can you say poland is better outside the EU?)


Lose what? Who's talking about paradise? im talking about the EU making poland better economically one grant at a time (like it did for Ireland and Portugal etc - we are not paradises, but we are MUCH better off then being outside the EU

Strength in Numbers -together we stand, divided we fall. Poland is the same. Your better off in the EU than on your own.

I can not understand the Polish mentality. Capitalism is the very thing that Poland wanted. They want to be in the EU and why? Because as an agricultural country they will be getting the subsidies. Obviously Germany and France dominate the EU as the major players but that was what was expected. In England we have a Russian who has bought Chelsea Football Club and has 11 billion pounds to spare. Why should a Russian who lived in communism now have 11 million pounds when he just bought shares very cheaply-after all, he did not work with his hands for that money. This is capitalism and Poland wanted it. The alternative is Soviet communism so decide.

Incoms from tariffs, right to own trade policy (Russians banned export of Polish meat and we can't ban anything from Russia without permission from Brussel and they don't give a damn) protection of own market, which is best seen on the real estate market even thought there are still some limits, a part of soverginity in general - for example some Greek guy tells us in which place on our own land we can build roads, we had to accept thousands of usually stupid rules, for example about the size of potatoes and I'm sure that one could find many other negative aspects.


Ireland and Portugal. Very good examples. Portugal is a poor country despite many years in EU. That's because vast majority of things in economy depend on the national government's and first of all on people, who are working in these countries. Membership in EU for poor countries has more posive than negative aspects, but It creates opportunities, not make anything better by itself.

your a lost cause. a perpetual cynic.

you couldnt find a drop of water in the ocean or grain of sand in the desert!

i'm sorry G, we disagree.

:)

LOL ! Daf you are a "EURO nationalist" and simply don't want to see facts. :)

G i could say you dont want to see facts either!

so its a circular arguement bbbuuuuuudddddddy

spot on G - thats the whole point

Some Poles, like me, had no choice but to be born in the UK after my parents came to the UK in 1948. They had no home to return to in Poland because they came from eastern Poland which became Ukraine. People of my generation want to live in Poland and idiots like Ola will not stop us.

You are Welcome.

I see that the attention of forum members shifted from Polish immigrants in the UK to foreign speculators in Poland. Nice. :)

Ola, your posts remind me of a certain participant of this forum... Actually, where is Freddy? :(


Not quite. Poles wanted their dignity back. They wanted to free themselves from Soviet influence. They didn't expect that the result of their actions would be the fall of communism.

and replace it with??? (dignity is not a form of government)

Poland Democratically elected to join the EU? Did they not know what they wanted or something? Poland is benefitting more from being IN the EU than it ever could being apart of a smaller slavic union(which wouldnt happen as other 'slavic' countries are EU members too) (sorry crow)

Being IN the EU gives poland that ability to gain its dignity. Once Poland's infrastructure is in Place, Poland will be amoungst the biggest contributors of this Union. (Ireland is a VERY small nation, yet we have HUGE influence despite our size. If we NEVER joined the Union, we would not be a blip on the radar and Would not have what we have today without EU help. It gave reland its dignity and much, much more.

probably he meant Independence :)

"A socialism with a human face", as some veteran of the events of 1989 described it. The referendum of which to join or not EU was carried out over a decade later, so let us not mix these two events.

PS: daffy, I'm not saying that the decision of accessing EU was a wrong one. I was just simply trying to explain that in 1989 nobody actually believed that communism would fall. Nobody was thinking about capitalism, but rather about improving their lives. Basically people weren't even prepared for the things that were to come...


That and no rationing of food, no secret police, stores where you actually can by something, etc... You know, a decent life. Godne życie...