Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land!

Average wage in my area US$ 1700 (approx)
Average houseprice US$ 142,000 (two bed)

Lodz, Poland

Please note: Average wage dont show the actual wage of the majoity of people. Some very high wages, with some medium wages... added with a large portion of low wages make that up. I guess you all know it already...but still I thought I add this.

yup, correct LS what we should find out is hwat is the median, wage.

Uh...what about the American accepting the PL in our country..or do you fell as if PL people shouldn't come here either? I think the world should be an open door. Especially if opportunity is available.

Thats extreme.

yeah zgub... you gotta get into being part of the eu dude... its the only way forward...

Hey...I didn't say this. Get yer quotes right LS :)

Come to NJ Everyone is welcome :) I'll make NJ part of the EU....you just wait and see :)

Hang on a bit, I thought the UK was a US state already. That Tony Blair is a junior administrator in the Bush administration isn't he? We'll have to come out of the USA,, rejoin the EU and then NJ can join :)

Yeah, I think he changes Georgies Depend undergarments too :)

What part? I used to live in Clifton, Wallington, and Garfield :)

Thats a ridiculious statement. its all relative perception. The cost of living actually is VERY similar all across the EU. the fact is truer to say that the UK and IRE it is MORE expensive to live here! (due to logistics of supplying island nations) The fact that the UK pound is worth 5zl and that the Polish Economey is not up to EU avg (yet)


$1700 per year?

You should move to wroclaw mate, I was there last week and saw MUCH better average than the one you quote.

Average wage in my area (per year) EUR 34,000 (approx)
Average houseprice EUR 350,000 (two bed - add extra 100,000 if Dublin)

Its a pain no matter where you go LS. Poland is no exception and is not the only one in this situation. foreigners buy here and will buy in poland. (It no cause to start Jihad, KKK, nazi-istic attitudes)

a home - roof over head - is a basic right for all people. You shouldn't have to work day and night and spend every last penny to secure that right. It makes me SICK! the way people go around buying up homes they can afford - and sell them for profit. Sure people can make money any way they like - they can choke on their profits for all I care - but leave homes alone. Homes are for families - to bring up children - to create strong neigbourhoods - you know the basics that define quality of life. In western Europe and US this is rotting away. I see Poland going this way too. It's just a matter of time. So everybody - make as much money as you can - have yer party and F*** every one else!.... right...?

Ogorek,

Means cucumber in Polish???

i somewhat agree about a roof over your head, but disagree it is a right, I believe it is a priveledge, if you can afford more you are priveledged to have a bigger home, same with driving in US is not a right its a priveledge, because it can be taken away from you if you break the law too many times, same as a house, if you don't pay for it it will be foreclosed upon, but i understand your frustration very much. In america it is not he homes that are screwing up the people, its the "Free Society" living, moreover the humanisitc belief that what you believe is right is right and what your nieghbor believes is right is right, this leads to no absolutes in the world, so secular humanism is running rampant in America today, and I can not stand it. So I believe that you came from the old school of thinking about families, and I like that, i do too, i am not for someone else raising my boys, its up to me to put a foot up their A** when they need it.

But there are alot of people who do work day and night to keep themselves housed, and in america is is because most spend too much and do not save enough. I know in Poland is different, i have a friend who's mother works 6 days a week 10 hours a day and brings home 1600zl a month, so thats about 450 american??, pretty loousy, thank God their ome is paid for.

Anyway, i am sorry for your plight and I hop esomeday you wont have to work that hard.
I can say that because no one gave me anything and I worked very hard for what i have. So i am sure you are proudof what you have and have worked to have.

You knwo in America no one has the right to own a home, they have to pay for it, and many mortgage themsleves up to the breaking point, but the real estate industry has fueled our economy and there are many jobs because of this.

Let me ask you a question, i do not know what you do for a living, but can you change your job and do better so you can afford a better home, or so you do not have to work so hard?? Can you change your circumstances to make a betterlife for yourself, i only am asking this sincerely, because honestly i do not know. I have no Idea where you live or what it is like in your neigborhood. I know I am jumping into this conversation, but there are market influences that no one can stop, there are always going to be poeple who make money on real estate, I build homes, I used to sell real estate for 20 years, i have seen homes that sold for 35,000 in 1985 go for 200,000 now. Inflation, buyers in the market, there are alot of influences that drive up prices, not just greed, rememeber there are people buying these homes to live in, and the market sets the prices, not the seller.

In a sellers market they get good prices becasue demand is up, but in a market we have now where there is alot of inventory, prices stagnet and come down, because there is less demand, I have droped my prices and changed my sttradegies on how big of a home to design and build because of market influences. So there are alot more things at play that no one can control, and that is unfortunate for u, so I am sorry that you have this problem, i hope it can change for u in the future!!

You haven't got your hand off it since you have been on this forum BubbaWoo, The reality is that the average people in Poland are worst off when people from overseas take over Poland and its real estate, I don't mean people like you who are just small time operators picking up the crumbs, you may ask yourself is it worth it? at the end of the day the stress associated with buying, capital gains tax and if you make 100,000zl thats peanuts.. The people who will make the money are multi nationals who have worked out schemes to pay less tax, have there own accountants and buy up big. I don't think you and your other mates on the forum are in that league, sorry buddy.

In truth Ola is correct in what she says and if we don't get these foreign investors on the straight we Will get them on the roundabout, Understand Polish people don't like being taken for a ride as people in the UK or the USA would object if wealthy people form another country were to buy up all its real estate.

Me think that people coming in from the UK or USA should have plenty of insurance. :)

Hullo,

Hello!!
Sorry couldn't he;p that, so please take as a funny jesture!1 Man there are foriegn investors all over America, have you ever herd of the Stock market?? There they invest in the housing market by the billions holding notes on Mortgages, and I personally sold a foriegn investor years ago 5 homes. So I got my paycheck and he got his rentals. Lets face it there is always going to be the ones who rent and the ones who own, it is part of a capitolistic society, was Poland better off in communism?? Heck no, I am not sure of Polish capital gains taxes, but in America if it is not your personal residence (principal) you pay taxes when you sell it minus costs to sell, there are no other deductions, if it is held in a business name it still does not matter. Last year I paid 45K in Fedaeral taxes on my business for 120,000K income for my business. Is very high corporate tax rate, and the more you make the higher tax they take, so there are no short cuts, paying less tax is a misnomer. I paid the bill, I should know, and believe me it wasn't easy writting the check, but if I don't want to go to jail, I will. Our counties thrive on transfer taxes from the sales, they get 1.5% of the price, they make a killing on this tax, so the gov't gets their share.

You will not get it.

Problem is that you think in one line. The British way... and you want to keep thinking like that.

The wage scale you showed are for all of Wroclow? I dont think so...hello...its my country we are talking about in here.

I showed you about Lodz. And we, the Poles, eventually will decide what to do with our future and present. The new generation will device out better ways...

We are no nazi-stic etc... We have our right think think about how we are going to build and develop our society... We, the people who are living here - not only for commercial reasons. And these people dont only include native Poles, but all other communities (no matter how small) living and staying inside Poland with their families.

We need development in the housing sector. We need a balance in foreign investment. We need such a plan, that it become alot more easy for the ordinary Pole to buy a flat/house.

The young Pole will do it. And all around me I hear the same voice rising among the youths of Poland.

This is our right to build. We decide our future. We will manage our own country...the EU comes alot much later! If we find any other organisation better than EU in the future...we should not hesitate to join (just an example).

I do not want to stop foreighners from buying. I want a better system, which enables the ordinary Polish man to be able to own a house within the age of 30 maximum.

well hey thats the bottom line and ALL i care about. I am talking about ola23's ridiculous racist remarks that are disgusting and against ANY moralistic society and not a good image for poland she is.

Poland is lovely and if i want. (and if i can afford) I will buy there.
Ireland is not british btw. And Ireland has the same difficulties you face for young people so get over yourself! youve been told by several people how it is in different countries and it IS the same for all young people. We just cannot afford houses right now. I agree there needs to be more help given to first time buyers and better taxes on those buying investment properties.

my main arguement was the blatent xenophobia


ill assume you mean person and are not limiting house ownership to only men.


eh, i dont think so either! maybe you dont understand english so well as i asked you 1700zl per year? which means i was ASKING YOU to confirm this.

and i DID NOT mention wroclaw wage average. I mentioned IRISH wage average.

I DID note the prices of houses in wroclaw are not as bad as your making out. One of my polish friends works in real estate there and I can see myself (you dont have to be Polish to see houses for sale in windows of real estate shops WHILE standing outside it in the street in Wroclaw!!)

Average wage (monthly) in Poland 1 800 zl netto

Flat 40m2 in Wroclaw 350 000 zl

House 700 000 zl

Yep. Don't ask me why...


Did I say I had a problem? I'm fine. I'm sorted. I was reacting to what Ola said earlier. She is not the only one and I feel sorry for them. I was mearly speaking out about attitudes/greed ( and yes it is greed) how to make a quick fortune and exclude others. People influence everything - including the market. Look at how estate agents behave. "lets throw a price in the air - someone will bite.." Human nature.


Larry - there is no shame in doing a fair days work and earning less than others. Not everyone can be a city executive. Do they not deserve a home too - be it smaller and modest ?

I live in London and I work in Film & TV. I earn more than most people I know. That's great and I'm happy. But - I still could not afford to buy a house (small 2 bedroom) in my own town.

Now that stank rotten!
I got my house in the end with financial help from many people - I kept some of my dignity. I don't want a bigger home - or change my job because that is my chosen career and I love it. That's my right. God help some of my friends who don't stand a chance to buy because they don't have private help. God help the people of Poland who earn 5 times less than in UK and house prices in some areas are almost the same as in UK - it's moving too fast. Let them keep up.


For those who work - it is a right. By that, I mean they should be able to buy an affordable home within their means. OF COURSE THEY SHOULD PAY FOR IT!

It doesn't get any more complicated than that.
Driving is a priveledge. That's why we have legs. We can walk - or get the bus.


Is there a housing shortage in US - or lack of land to build? That's nearly 6 times the price. Justification?
BTW building a home or renovating a home is cool. My protest was against people buying ready homes, sitting on them and selling for profit later.


People can think what they want. Nothing to do with it.


You say old school - it's just plain common sense. Everything starts at the home. It's the foundation.

oy bogler!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why did you have to beet ola while she was down ??????????? maybe she is pondering how she got it so wrong, only to be kicked by someone who is just as angry at her as she is with something she hasnt come to grips with yet.( BACK OFF PLONKER)

ola123, how do u feel about polish immigrants that move to America for a few years, and then move back to poland? Are they viewed the same way?

I welcome everyone who comes to Poland willing to work here and live here.

i was just asking because my parents plan on moving back. Are finding jobs in poland easy and also is it better to have a small farm in the country or to live in the city?

I was working my ass off unlike some of you suggest. But I have no chance to buy even small flat after 20 years of working my ass off and that makes me angry just like my polish mates.


Its still not easy to find decent job in Poland so staying in the city makes your chances of finding the job better.

ola.i have just bought a house here. i paid for it with hard earned money made in england. i paid locall people who had no work to do it up for me . i have run out of money now and offered my sevices locally looking for work myself. the wages i was ofered would not even pay my cole bill so i refuse to work here. i now have to go back to england to work and send money back home to my wife and child here in poland .i refuse to work for some greedy local polish nob. should i feel anger towards him or except thats the way it is here? and not feed that greed!

They say, give yourself a chance and don't let life pass you by.
But the world around you is a rat race.
Where only the strong survive.

whingers dont really get anywhere in life mate... they end up feelin shafted by someone else because they didnt have the guts to live a little... as i have said here countless times, poland has entered a new reality where the rules of the game are different... dont moan if you dont understand the rules - learn the game and then play it... thats what makes the difference between a winner and a loser... you create your own luck...


every country in europe has a gripe like this... its the reality we live in... deal with... i mean, lets face it, following your line of thought i could say that poles in england are taking our jobs and they should fuk off home to their own country... but i realise thats a pretty stoopid thing to say...


thanks for the input... dont think i have claimed to be in any league other than the one i am...


yeah... not worth the effort...


when you have experienced life a little, you will realise that nobody likes to be taken for a ride, but there are a couple of points worth noting here -

firstly, p[oland isnt in the position to start fukin with anyone... and probably wont be for a while.

secondly, people in glass houses etc... if poland wasnt doing so well of other countries' backs - the uk - they might have a leg to stand on... as it is, they dont...

thridly, you might find that the number of overseas investors buying substantially in the uk is not that disimilar to those buying in poland...


good to hear... carry on...


wouldnt it be nice... :)

That's game set and match to the gallant English competitor:)

I brought this up while visiting and everyone laughed when I said that i'd work in PL.

In the Uk the average person ends up with a 30 year morgage, just like in Poland. We also have rich foreigners coming to London and buying up property. It seems Ola you are against capitalism, which is fair enough everyone is allowed an opinion.

Unfortunately we live in a dog eat dog world and that that. Swim or sink.

.....and somedays I feel like I'm wearing Milkbone Underwear......

--Norm Peterson from Cheers

Actually bollocks, why should I be polite.
If Polish people really want Poland for themselves and not to be part of the Union, mabye Poland should withdraw from the union, repatriate all non-poles and make it illegal for Polish people to leave Poland and look for work elsewhere.

Oh my, **** me we've just regressed 40 years, brilliant.

Or people can stop bloody whinging and like my missus did straight after (during actually) University, head for the UK. She started like many young Poles sharing a room with others, earning basic wages. Infact she does earn huge wages now, she just is savvy with her cash ( and mine). She has been in the UK 6 years and now very soon we shall be returning to our flats in Poland. One thing I like about the young Polish that come to the Uk, is that they are trying to do something, which is honourable.

There is no honour in whinging.
Roll on the free market.

Infact she does earn huge wages now,

sorry shopuld read "doesn't"