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Abortion - how is the Polish government going to deal with this issue?


Crow 139 | 8,272  
14 Apr 2007 /  #91
Ban abortion. Only expeptions should be if woman was raped or child has proved to be mentaly retarded and unable to survive a normal life.

Well said

What you say on this...

Abortion lessons for schoolchildren

08.09.06

thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23366118-details/Abortion+lessons+for+schoolchildren/article.do

Even for the age of five? :( :( :)
TheDude - | 50  
14 Apr 2007 /  #92
Even for the age of five

Waaaay too young to learn about this stuff. TheDude thinks all students should go through sex ed ages 13+
Crow 139 | 8,272  
14 Apr 2007 /  #93
all students should go through sex ed ages 13+

Absolutely
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
14 Apr 2007 /  #94
Oh its quite easy a guy saying this, Crow have you ever got a girl pregnant? would you want your 13 year old daughter being told how to put a condom on a man?
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
14 Apr 2007 /  #95
would you want your 13 year old daughter being told how to put a condom on a man?

I don't think it would start here(condom) when I was in HS it was given every year. Sex education isn't only about putting a condom on a banana orally...oh did I just say that :) You should start somewhere though. I would think that they should learn about conception first, and then the responsibilites of becoming an adult.
daffy 23 | 1,508  
14 Apr 2007 /  #96
the responsibilites of becoming an adult.

sex education is important and a political minefield which is why its SOOO bad in nearly every country. However, the issue of sex education cannot prevent rape.

and how Poland deals with abortion, sex education is not the main area to focus in on (but an area nonetheless)

the article crow posted too, shows that sex education in secondary schools is optional,that parents can keep there children out or in of it, which i think is much fairer than no sex education at all.
TheDude - | 50  
14 Apr 2007 /  #97
that parents can keep there children out or in of it, which i think is much fairer than no sex education at all.

I agree. Fairness is always good with TheDude :)

I do think that every school should offer it. Otherwise it's the parents responsibility.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
14 Apr 2007 /  #98
FISZ

I will honstly admit I am out of my depth on this one because I had a very strict upbringing and my niece is a sweet child at 15 (not developed and involved in lots of activities and no time for boys) and as a woman I would rather my daughter be brough up like I was "with the fear of father" oh "and brothers" oh "a strict catholic upbringing" it worked for me :)
daffy 23 | 1,508  
14 Apr 2007 /  #99
I do think that every school should offer it. Otherwise it's the parents responsibility.

exactly and parents then can allow the child to attend or not then BUT at least the facility is available
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
14 Apr 2007 /  #100
would rather my daughter be brough up like I was "with the fear of father" oh "and brothers" oh "a strict catholic upbringing" it worked for me

Sorry to hear this A. It must've been tough upbringing. Doesn't something traumatic like this still have an effect on your perception of us men? I'm sure it worked for you, but some people aren't so strong and it can ultimately have a lifelong effect.

It's things like these that make me nervous to be a parent.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
14 Apr 2007 /  #101
but people are still scared, so black trash bags and dumpsters are the desired alternative. Sad world we live in sometimes.

Scared of their parents.

its unfortunate that some of these young teens resort to this, eventually they get
caught, not enough education was given apparently to this teen. in each case
when they do find them, they are charged as adults. it isnt like anything isnt done
about it. unfortunately, these children who are born, could have went to an adoptive
family and nothing like this would have occured. so I do blame the parents for not
discussing enough.

And sometimes the fear of father is instilled in these girls who will do anything
to hide this from their father.

But it isnt just the girls who are to blame, dont forget the boy involved who must
have decided along with this girl this was their only options.

or perhaps he wasnt taught to be more abstinant <~spelling please?
young men also have a great deal to do with this, but it seems the young girls
fault for baggin it up.

I would think both need some heavy education on what /how/ who, and help that
they should seek if pregnancy should occur. but mostly to just not have sex at all
and show them outcomes like these and what could happen in the long run by legal
matters..
daffy 23 | 1,508  
14 Apr 2007 /  #102
so I do blame the parents for not
discussing enough.

i can agree to this, some parents just wont discuss it.

dont forget the boy involved

your right here!!

who must
have decided along with this girl this was their only options.

not always true, it does happen that the girl takes it all upon herself to hide it from the world.
it is possible and has happened that boys/men never hear about it (in certain circumstance)
like those celebraties who get women turning up saying this child they never knew about is theres

or perhaps he wasnt taught to be more abstinant

you can teach men this, trouble is the hormones really do override the male brain at this age.
a minority sure, can be abstainant but all can be educated to 'precaution' and that they can and should come ask for help (that applies to both gender of course)

I would think both need some heavy education on what /how/ who, and help that
they should seek if pregnancy should occur. but mostly to just not have sex at all
and show them outcomes like these and what could happen in the long run by legal
matters..

yep! :) and parents then can decide to allow the child attend the lesson or not, then the responsibilty falls to them
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
14 Apr 2007 /  #103
Scared of their parents.

You don't know the circumstances, so this can only be a guess...a good one, but never know.

dont forget the boy involved

You can't assume that secrets aren't hidden from them. If a girl is willing to hold it from her parents, why wouldn't she from the boy as well?

young men also have a great deal to do with this

(that applies to both gender of course)

Thank you.

Educate Educate Educate!

For an overseas preparation, I was forced to be educated by our military on sex education. This I thought was rediculous until I learned that a lot of the guys in there had no idea about sex (except what goes where) or protection. These were guys 18-24. You'd wonder where the hell their parents were.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
14 Apr 2007 /  #104
then the responsibilty falls to them

agree, I talk to my girls, both have had sex education, but I also talk with them about
it, like these type of incidences. the outcome.

Some parents dont take the time.

These were guys 18-24. You'd wonder where the hell their parents were.

I would wonder, 18-24 you would think they already took a dip in the pool :)
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
14 Apr 2007 /  #105
you would think they already took a dip in the pool

Most of them already had kids. That's the sad part.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
14 Apr 2007 /  #106
oh so they jumped in the pool with steamed up goggles on :) LOL

I am kidding, Education can be at any age. No matter the courses.
Crow 139 | 8,272  
15 Apr 2007 /  #107
would you want your 13 year old daughter being told how to put a condom on a man?

I will tell you something...

Man which isn`t capable to put condom on himself must be an idiot and I wouldn`t like that idiots have anything with my daughter (if I can be lucky to have one).

On the other side, I would expect that my daughter avoid to have anything with man which isn`t responsible to understand that protective measures are important.

I would also expect that she has her own protective measures and not to wait that somebody else protect her.

Oh its quite easy a guy saying this,

It`s not easy. It`s life
adilski 2 | 105  
22 Jun 2007 /  #108
Can I ask is it acceptable in educated, liberated, sophisticated societies that we carry out 2350 murders a day, thats nearly 100 an hour.. yes thats true in N America, Europe & Australia as a society we acknowledge murder and accept it as day to day life.. ovcourse many people who carry out the killing feel 'bad' but.. as a whole in our societies we accept it.. Poland really is a wonderful European nation, it has suffered thick and thin over the many years but has been triumphant becasue of its courage and will power to succeed as a moral nation.... Abortion is bad,, this awful murder that is justified is baaaaaaaaaaad.. Poland needs the support of moral people to continue its struggle in maintaing its values..
magda09 1 | 54  
22 Jun 2007 /  #109
taking life is no ones right
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
22 Jun 2007 /  #110
Scared of their parents

Was the best contraceptive, dont do it you wont get pregnant and you dont have to face your parents is what I meant when I wrote it.
magda09 1 | 54  
22 Jun 2007 /  #111
yes, wait for marriage is better. Also, is not so difficult to follow. The right man will support on this
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
22 Jun 2007 /  #112
I think finding the person you know you will spend the rest of your life with is important, marriage is just a piece of paper (I know too many friend that have been divorced to believe that this is the perfect way of life), what is important is committment and love.

Abortion has been around for a long time, its just missused these days, an easy option for careless people.
SamenessLove 1 | 33  
24 Apr 2009 /  #113
I think that only women should discuss abortion rights since it directly concerns them. Somehow, men are the majority in making those policies and I don't think it's fair.

And what of the man who wishes to have a child? Does he have no rights? Men are at the mercy of women if they wish to have progeny. Is this fair?
theblueenigma 3 | 188  
24 Apr 2009 /  #114
Poland naively embrases the EU wholeheartedly. Thus not realising that the EU have already put in motion plans to introduce abortion in all the EU states without referendum. You want the EU and your imagined cash cow ? Well you must also accept not having the right to decide your own laws or having anything that resembles true democracy.

Regardless of if you are pro-abortion or not, abortion will be legalised in every EU member state within a decade
SamenessLove 1 | 33  
24 Apr 2009 /  #115
Poland naively embrases the EU wholeheartedly.

This is what saddens me. The EU is a bureaucratic leech that will suck the lifeblood of every people that show even one shred of respecting it or desiring to have its acceptance. Any nation in Europe has an opportunity right now to gain respect and strength....by thumbing their nose at the EU. But they must do so with conviction. Unflinchingly.The EU gives momentary pleasure for a lifetime of pain.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
24 Apr 2009 /  #116
The EU gives momentary pleasure for a lifetime of pain.

Never a truer word said :0(
theblueenigma 3 | 188  
25 Apr 2009 /  #117
This is what saddens me. The EU is a bureaucratic leech that will suck the lifeblood of every people that show even one shred of respecting it or desiring to have its acceptance. Any nation in Europe has an opportunity right now to gain respect and strength....by thumbing their nose at the EU. But they must do so with conviction. Unflinchingly.The EU gives momentary pleasure for a lifetime of pain.

Well said except the only momentary pleasure Ireland and other member states has got from Europe is travel without visas.

The problem is no country can 'thumb its nose' its not accepted. Ireland has a particularly strong constitution and has the right to vote in referendums in it. Thus why we were the only country in the EU to get the opportunity to vote on The Lisbon Treaty and in effect be the voice of Europe. We voted NO, but of course the EU being the undemocratic parasite refused our NO and will put it to us again in a second referendum. For your sake and the sake of your children you better hope we vote NO again, and again, and again. There is a myth conditioned into people throughout their lives that the EU is some sort of golden cash cow and we all need to get on the boat. Ireland was one of the first into the EU and we have been in recession for 25 yrs of our 35 yrs in it. When we finally did have a brief economic boom because of low corporation taxes, the EU did everything in their power to stop us. The paltry E40 billion we have received over the years primarily went on roads and to agriculture (less than 8% of the population) We signed away E400 billion of our fishing waters, had to open our gates for mass immgration, 80% of our laws are now implemented by Brussels and democracy is dead and buried. The EU will legalise abortion, same sex marriages, euthanasia in all member states without asking you ! Your grandchildren will learn Polish as a minority language and they will be European, not Polish . . .your proud and beautiful poland will be demoted to just another state, your constitution will be gone and they have already agreed to have a European president you cant vote for and 'God' will not be in the European constitution. The negatives outweigh the positives, this Poland and others so naively embrasing the EU will learn to their detriment. Abortion laws will be the least of your worries as you prostitute yourselves to the EU.
Mr Grunwald 23 | 1,661  
25 Apr 2009 /  #118
I got only 3 words for you if all that crap happens: Bagnet na bron!
Nathan 18 | 1,363  
25 Apr 2009 /  #119
sad but true. its a male Dominate thing. wish female too were involved

Males dominate at "outside" work, but women form many of our ideas and views at home. So women have much greater influence than it seems. I don't see the reason women are not in politics in the EU. The only reason seem lack of interest on their part and not a glass ceiling as I see many present. Politics demand diplomacy, corruption, absence of feelings which I think are most women's weak side and this is why they are not as abundant there.

I consider abortion an absolute choice of those who created an embryo or fetus. If they cannot take care of the future child it is better to kill her/him now than to kill him/her slowly in constant yellings, poverty, unattention, unlove, beatings etc. In the same plain there should be an agency which will gather information on parents willing to adopt a child or those who want to have a child but cannot due to diff. reasons. So each woman that wants to get an abortion and one willing to have a child are informed on possibility of this exchange (if both parties are interested).

Laws are mainly written and voted on by men, since they are majority in the governments around the world. Scandiavian countries have a more sensible law due to a higher volume of women in the government.

Anti-abortive laws are powerful not in countries were there is more men in politics, but in those where religions have a lot to say either directly or through the minds of religiously-oriented politicians. As I noticed Poland, Spain and Ireland - powerful strongholds of Catholicism - are the ones who have the stricter abortion laws. But each should decide its own way of life. I personally consider that, for the sake of not parents but child, abortion should be allowed.
SamenessLove 1 | 33  
25 Apr 2009 /  #120
I consider abortion an absolute choice of those who created an embryo or fetus. If they cannot take care of the future child it is better to kill her/him now than to kill him/her slowly in constant yellings, poverty, unattention, unlove, beatings etc.

You're not allowing for a more ethereal human pleasure of simply existing. What if a child who grew up in such an environment as you talk later came to you and said "Even though I grew up in a home with yellings, poverty, unattention, unlove, and beatings...I was able to overcome that and become a productive member of society. And now I'm helping other children rise out of that situation. I was able to withstand the suffering and so can many more"?

Are you that much of a misanthrope that you would not bring humans into existence simply because there might be a chance they will suffer? And it's not a suffering that can't be overcome. People in slavery still have children and do so with joy. Where is your human spirit for enduring suffering to bring about something better?

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