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Abortion - how is the Polish government going to deal with this issue?


ArturSzastak 3 | 593  
11 Apr 2007 /  #61
most people would be outraged if we would start performing abortions on cats and dogs.

Why would you get a cat or dog an abortion, if it would be a lot cheaper to just get them spade/newdered ( spelling is probably wrong, not everyday words for me :) )
1st generation  
11 Apr 2007 /  #62
It is just a question. What I was trying to say that the visual of several puppies being sucked out would be more repulsive to some people than an actual abortion on a baby.

People are more concerned about animal life than human life. Humanity should be concerned with both. That is the message of Saint John Paul II.
mamma mia  
12 Apr 2007 /  #63
to preserve her mental

this is wide open for interpretation
OP Giles  
12 Apr 2007 /  #64
Thanks for the replys Mat, alot of interesting points.

especially given the amount of mind control the catholic church has over Poles, especially the old, infirm and mentally unsound.

This is kinda in reference to Radio Maria.
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
12 Apr 2007 /  #65
especially given the amount of mind control the catholic church has over Poles, especially the old, infirm and mentally unsound.

This is kinda in reference to Radio Maria.

Catholic church would more than probably protest here, as father Rydzyk, the owner of Radio Maryja, is beyond their jurisdiction, but yeah, I’ll have to agree, that he has a big influence on the elderly people. I have to note here though, that they are basically the only social group under this influence.
OP Giles  
12 Apr 2007 /  #66
True but I'm sure they have a disproportionate representation when it comes to voting. Which would explain why the PO did not get in.
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
12 Apr 2007 /  #67
Yep, there are the most disciplined social group when it comes for voting. But still there are to few of them to make a difference.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
12 Apr 2007 /  #68
The UK expects teenages pregnancies to decline, they now offering the morning after pill in schools, good thing or bad thing?

I understand what Mr M is saying but women are the ones at the end of the day who are going to have to live with whatever they decide to do, a man on the other hand is not going to mentally scared by an abortion or have to live with an unwanted child, Im not saying that a man is not going to be unaffected at all but not to the degree the woman is.
ArturSzastak 3 | 593  
12 Apr 2007 /  #69
they now offering the morning after pill in schools

Dayumn. When did that happen??
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
12 Apr 2007 /  #70
In the US it seems as some teens aren't even getting abortions. They're too scared, so they just kill the baby. One was just found last week in a black garbage bag on her back porch. Do these sort of derranged things happen often in the UK or PL?
daffy 23 | 1,508  
12 Apr 2007 /  #71
its happened alright around europe a few times ive caught it in the news, so god knows it could be much worse :/

The Church shouldn't enter into i think. All churches vary in there interference in these matters and i do respect the right to life. I personally would try every avenue to avoid it.

But i am not about to force my opinion and beliefs on others, especially about such a serious, huge and personal matter. It is up to them.

I may not agree with there decision - it is theres, not mine, to make. Its apart of living in a free society. and we as a society have not come to a standard ideal regarding abortion (it has been around for centuries)
sapphire 22 | 1,241  
13 Apr 2007 /  #72
In the US it seems as some teens aren't even getting abortions. They're too scared, so they just kill the baby. One was just found last week in a black garbage bag on her back porch. Do these sort of derranged things happen often in the UK or PL?

It does happen in the UK, but I dont think its very common to kill the baby. Its much more common to leave the baby on a doorstep of a church or hospital or even a bus shelter, most are found before they die and are either reunited with their mothers or taken into care.. most of the mothers are teenagers.
szarlotka 8 | 2,209  
13 Apr 2007 /  #73
Slightly off topic I know, but is it true that vasectomies are illegal in Poland?
OP Giles  
13 Apr 2007 /  #74
? seriously ?
szarlotka 8 | 2,209  
13 Apr 2007 /  #75
I recall reading somwhere that they are under some old Family Planning Act law. Just looking to see if my memory is failing again.

This is the act but I'm not sure whether it's enforced.

the Family Planning, Protection of Human
Foetus and Conditions for Termination
of Pregnancy Act of 1993
OP Giles  
13 Apr 2007 /  #76
women rights?
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
13 Apr 2007 /  #77
Its much more common to leave the baby on a doorstep of a church or hospital or even a bus shelter

We have the "Safe Haven" law which also allows this, but people are still scared, so black trash bags and dumpsters are the desired alternative. Sad world we live in sometimes.
pingwin 2 | 117  
13 Apr 2007 /  #78
This a very dear topic for me. My mother had a very hard choice to make and I'm thankful she has made the right choice. I thank God everyday for the precious gift I have been given My LIFE. My mother had hyper active thyroid and cervical cancer while she was pregnant with me. All the doctors told her to abort me because it would be too difficult for her and she couldn't go thru theraphies. She went to one very wise doctor who told her "I have seen women who were healthy and gave birth and died and women who were in worse conditions gave birth and lived." "You must decide!" She did and as my father says, "She put me through hell!!!" The strange thing is after she had me the cancer just disappeared but Mom says God was testing her as to what she would do and he liked her decision. Anyway I just wanted to add my two cents worth.
daffy 23 | 1,508  
13 Apr 2007 /  #79
God was testing her as to what she would do and he liked her decision. Anyway I just wanted to add my two cents worth.

its a touching story :) piekne

vasectomies

makes me cringe, but you know, the older i get, the more sense it makes...if i was to go down that road. id rather that than abortion. if it came down to it.
pingwin 2 | 117  
13 Apr 2007 /  #80
its a touching story

Yes, I gave a lovely speech about myself in college and had everyone crying by the end of Speech class. Abortion is too dear of a topic for me. I don't ever see myself being able to do that because I value life too much. Just my thoughts.

Just like I have an issue with people hating each other. I mean we all bleed the same, cry the same, feel love, joy, and pain the same but are taught to hate each other because of skin color, nationality, looks, etc. What give??? I guess the only time we don't feel the hate is when we are born and when we die because we are truly alone during those moments.
daffy 23 | 1,508  
13 Apr 2007 /  #81
Yes, I gave a lovely speech about myself in college and had everyone crying

i believe that!

Just like I have an issue with people hating each other. I mean we all bleed the same

feel you here!

I appreciate your openess, it is a very special life that leaves themselves open to the often cruel world. Do you do tai chi or yoga or something like that? You are very in touch with your spirituality and are also very calm and rational

Can i ask your views on 'vasectomy'?
pingwin 2 | 117  
13 Apr 2007 /  #82
Do you do tai chi or yoga or something like that? You are very in touch with your spirituality and are also very calm and rational

Nope, I just get on my knees!!
daffy 23 | 1,508  
13 Apr 2007 /  #83
i took that the 'wrong' way first hehehe (sorry :P)

but then realised what you meant :)

thats cool, may i also recommend tai chi, i think you'll find great energy and a part of you you never knew
shopgirl 6 | 928  
13 Apr 2007 /  #84
Is there an idea of separation of Church and State in Europe? Ot is a church-state led government more the "norm"?
pingwin 2 | 117  
13 Apr 2007 /  #85
i took that the 'wrong' way first hehehe (sorry :P)

thats cool, may i also recommend tai chi, i think you'll find great energy and a part of you you never knew

MY fault I should be more specific especially on this forum. I pray a lot, although lately I have been neglecting my daily prayers and see how I suffer if I don't get on my knees.

I'll check into it. Thanks!!!
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
14 Apr 2007 /  #86
Polish President Loses Loyalty Vote As Poland's Government Splits - Speaker Dismissed:

masterpage.com.pl/outlook/200704/losesvote.html
daffy 23 | 1,508  
14 Apr 2007 /  #87
Is there an idea of separation of Church and State in Europe?

oh yes! church and state MUST remain seperate entities! it is evident in the past that the church cannot wield power (holy wars etc)

Let the church focus on spiritual matters and not conquest.

Polish President Loses Loyalty Vote As Poland's Government Splits - Speaker Dismissed

interesting story. ive no problem with parliment failing out like this but i stand by the statement the church has no place in the parliment.
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
14 Apr 2007 /  #88
oh yes! church and state MUST remain seperate entities! it is evident in the past that the church cannot wield power (holy wars etc)

Well, there are no priests in Polish parliament, however there is a group of people that are definitely influenced by religion, just as there is a group of hard-line atheists. Both groups represent parts of polish society so I guess that they both have the right to be present in the parliament.
daffy 23 | 1,508  
14 Apr 2007 /  #89
Well, there are no priests in Polish parliament

thats an important improvement over the past. par example when the pope commanded armies :/ nothing spiritual about that, just power, power, power.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
14 Apr 2007 /  #90
In the US it seems as some teens aren't even getting abortions. They're too scared, so they just kill the baby. One was just found last week in a black garbage bag on her back porch. Do these sort of derranged things happen often in the UK or PL?

Not that I know of, people leave babies on hospital steps or in churches, or in places they will be found, they dont kill them, I have never read anything in the paper to indicate this.

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