Does Irish government pay Polish workers to return to Poland?

Is the Irish government giving payments for polish workers to return to Poland

Why would they do that?

that is what I was wondering:)

Some polish friends of mine have been offered redundacy offers from their current jobs, they are considering the offers but want to maximise their options, this story has been doing the rounds about payments to polish workers from the Irish Government, i have said i cant believe this to be true as would be contrary to EU law but have no definitive proof of such

as you say i would imagine this is illegal and probably costly.if statutory redundancy in ireland is a poor as it is the uk the cost is minimal.

the payment is off the company not the government - Im actually surprised since most Polish workers are on contracts and not entitled to redundancy. Not sure what you mean about maximise their options, a company offers money, they either take the money or leave it - there are no other options!

They qualify for a statutory redundancy payment from the government , with the company offering a similar package, the offer has been made to up to 20 workers, across a broad spectrum of ages and genders,yes some of the recent employees are on contract and their contracts are not due for renewal with unfortunately no severance payment of any sort. The only reason the question was asked as there are so many irrelevant and unnecessary rumours spreading around the workforce as the ecomony falls further and further into decline, in times of hardship it seems harder to disseminate truth from fiction, i believe myself to be in the next round of possible layoffs and a discussion is always a relevant and worthwhile forum for disspelling many of these myths.

a good point homey and i am in the same boat as we are already in consultation (90 days) i know in the uk it is less for up to 20 and from 20 to 99.

Even as staff on contracts through an agency? that's what I meant when I said contract staff, it must be different in the Ire because agency workers have no rights whatsoever in the UK.


Really sorry to hear that :(

I did find this on the net when I googled though looking for something about Ire

dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1058529/Spain-pay-jobless-migrants-return-home.html

This was the idea of a member of the main opposition party called Leo Vardkar (ironically the son of an immigrant). He suggested offering one off payments to immigrant workers to return home. Ostensibly it was to reduce the social welfare bill but I'm fairly sure he was just trying to get the support of the growing number of racist neanderthals in this country. I dont know why no-one pointed out to him that they could just take the money, go home and then immediately return as is their right as EU citizens.

Would you care to expand on that comment ?

It's not racist to expect a little control over numbers of the people entering any country.

Do the British not have any "rights as EU citizens", or do they just apply to others from elsewhere in the EU ?

Well I thought we were talking about Ireland here not Britain. Yes the British/Irish do have the exact same rights as other EU citizens i.e. they have the right to live and work in any other member state. Irish voters were well aware of this when we voted to join the European Union. For the first 20 years of our membership we were quite happy to take EU developement funds to rebuild our country but now that we're one of the wealthier nations some Irish people seem to think we have no obligations to newer, poorer member states who find themselves in exactly the same position as we were. Not to mention the fact that up until this year immigrant workers were essential to the growth of the Irish economy. Evidence from the Lisbon treaty campaigns in Ireland suggests that anti-immigration attitudes wereone of the main contributors to the No win.

Coffin ships.
I'm from Dublin and can't believe some of the crap people say about immigrants.
I believe Ireland has the biggest population of immigrants in the world.

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But Polish are NOT immigrants.


Actually it is, if people from Glasgow were "controlled" and could not work in London, it would be racist (for want of a better word), this is the E.U.

Maybe managed is a better word than controlled, but that's just semantics.

Glasgow is part of the UK, so your argument doesn't really stack up, but I see what you're saying.

It's not racism, it's a numbers game. I don't want to stop anyone from going anywhere within reason, but there has to be checks in place to stop it from getting out of hand (like it is now).

Whether you call the Polish immigrants, EU migrants, foreigners or whatever label you want to put on them, the end result is the same. Too many of them and not enough jobs, houses, money, welfare benefits, school places etc etc to go around. Those who have been here longer and now have to have to hope that being born in the UK gives them a stronger case when trying to get on the housing list etc (which most of the time it doesn't) start getting brassed off.

European Utopia, which you seem to want, doesn't exist. It's being forced onto a population who don't want it in this way.

And Poland and the U.k. are part of the E.U. sooo...???
Maybe it is also semantics to call Scotland a country? which it is.
But I will agree with you, that racism is not the correct word.
And management of people is the job of your government


Do you think the whole thing would be better if there was no credit crunch?.
When you need foreign workers you throw open your doors.
Then the greedy fat cats mess everything up and the very foreigners you needed are the ones first to go. Wham Bam, thank you Mam? it doesn't work like that and what a relief.


I would not use the word Utopia but the E.U certainly exists and it is our right to travel and work.
Perhaps England should not have let other E.U, members work there?
Perhaps you should get tougher on non-E.U. immigrants.
And perhaps the fault you see, might be with your government?

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I have heard this argument time and time again about (Irish) immigrants.
Like a broken record.
Now it is our right.

Essentially, what I am saying is that the UK is an island and it cannot cope with the influx of so many extra people. I'm not trying to stop or force anyone to do anything, I just think that an open door policy to immigration and total freedom of movement from within the EU is flawed. Everyone will flock to where they think they will get the best deal, which is natural, but it isn't going to work if they all head for the same place.

You're right, it is the job of Government to manage all this, but the British Government either don't want to be bothered or don't know what to do.


The recession, when it happens, and the credit crunch will see many Polish having to sign-on the dole with other British people and that's when I see the real problems starting. Resenment towards migrant workers or whatever you want them to be called will grow when unemployment grows.

I don't think that's fair, but you don't need to be an expert in sociology to see that British people will get hacked off if they see the few jobs that are available going to someone with a foreign accent.

We should never "throw open our doors to foreign workers" as you put it. Employers should pay its staff a decent wage so that the average working British man/woman can do a days work, pay the bills and not be expected to live on fresh air like they are now.

The British Government should look after its own before others.

I'm sorry but thats a huge exaggeration. The standard of living in Britain, even among the poorest classes, is something that most people in the world can only dream of. And speaking in Ireland's case, I challange you to find someone who isn't better off financially now when our population is 12% foreign-born than 15 years ago when we were the most ethnically homogenous country in Europe.

As for your claim that Polish workers will sign on to the dole, why would they choose to do this when they could instead return home at a time when their country has a severe labour shortage, especially in the construction sector. Living on the dole would mean their disposable income would drop below what they could earn at home, among family and friends. The reason for the huge levels of migration after the asscession was the huge discrepancy in wages/costs between Poland and Ireland/Britain. Now that wages/costs in Poland are at a much improved level (and improving all the time) you will see Polish migrants returing home to work rather than stay in Britain on the dole.

It's the same reason why there aren't huge numbers of Greeks and Portuguese working here. Even though the average wage here is higher than there, the discrepancy isnt great enough to draw people away from their homws and families.

I guess it depends on what you're used too. Standards of living maybe generally higher, but the cost of living compared to the average salary means that it's a very difficult balancing act to keep one's head above water. When someone from another country offers to do your job for half the price, it's a big problem as it's not as simple as just reducing our own rates to keep the business.


I agree that it should be the case, but I think many will stay hoping that the job situation will improve.

People keep saying that the Polish are going home, but I've not seen much of that happening yet.