USA, Canada / Why aren't Polish people immigrating to Canada instead of the UK? [148]


I think you know what i meant. Of course Vancouver and the South Pacific coast don't get much snow. Let's just say that there's a reason people say canadian winters are rough.

Having grown up there, and having worked with canadians from across the country, i'm more than entitled to my opinion.

But it really depends on what you like. I think a lot of poles would find it difficult to adjust to life in a canadian city or small town (like there are big ones) after living in Poland. It can be an "emptiness" to some and a "solace" to others.

I miss it, but not the politically correct bs that permeates from every orifice of life there.

Anyone coming from canada this christmas? I'm going to visit so i wanna buy some dollars and avoid the commission at a kantor. anyone? anyone?

Life / Persian community in Warsaw? (i don't mean cats) [18]

i don't understand why the term "persian" is used when speaking about iranians. Can someone shed some light on this?

Life / Can an American in Poland renew American Passport here? [18]

any photographer's just tell them the specs and they do it for whatever the price is on the tin. or was that a rhetorical question?

Life / PATRIOTISM -- POLISH OR OTHERWISE? [23]

ah the lofty goat, i am humbled by your presence:)
*assumes stance of reverence*

Life / muslim community in poland [430]

it's probably due less to religion and more due to much more complicated phenomena, yet attributed to islam. You used the word "twist" so i think you acknowledge that there is manipulation of the worst kind going on. Are you being manipulated too?

If we look at inquisition re: fanaticism and torture techniques, it wouldn't be fair to attribute that to christianity despite what those who were involved might have said.

Any ways, I'm curious as to what you would regard "use terrorism and kill innocent civilians" to mean. The reason why I ask is because uniformed soldiers also kill innocent civillians, however words like collateral damage, bystanders, civillain losses, etc, are frequently used.

From iht.com/articles/ap/2007/07/02/europe/EU-GEN-Italy-Afghan-Conference.p hp

"It's very unfortunate that in these military operations at times civilians get caught in the middle..."

reads much cleaner than
"It's awful that our troops accidentally, but routinely shoot or blow up innocent men women and children..."

I don't know if you get my point or not but if you don't then never mind.

Anyway I ask myself how i'd feel in their situation. I think killing innocents is wrong but i sit here from a very comfy position, how would i feel if i were treated like **** by an occupying force, or if my relatives were?

And what if my main source of early education came from someone who preached suicide bombing, and what if i didn't know where he and his network were getting their funding from? What if i didn't have the skills to question all the things i accepted to be true? But you have those skills, right?

ash786
I hear what you're saying but the truth is, most of the responses you'll get are quite canned and uninformed. Maybe this one i'm giving is too:\

No one will really be able to comment on the continual and systematic division (of every increasingly small sections) of the west bank because then people might question their own governments' involvement.

Most people don't want to entertain the notion that their axioms are flawed or that "their side is not right." Or worse yet that everyone is crooked, or worse even still that it's all so f'd up we can't do our precious judging from our perfect moral compasses.

Sa'laam

this was sent to the random chat thread, not sure why as it's in line with the discussion

News / POLISH FOREIGN MINISTER IN TROUBLE OVER JOKE? [29]

It rather annoys me that foreign notions of what political correctness (such b.s. imo) should be imposed on a sovereign nation.

Is this about the inaccuracy of the joke or about what's being interpretted as politically correct in the u.s?

Life / PATRIOTISM -- POLISH OR OTHERWISE? [23]


sorry the burden is on the accuser so put up or shut up.


So simple, yet you have no problem doing what you accuse me of at the drop of a hat.


Had you just asked for clarification at the outset or thought about it a bit more then you'd have avoided this waste of time.

The thing is, I wasn't addressing anyone in particular, you didn't see me jump down someone else's throat just because i may not have agreed with what they wrote on the topic.

Regarding this "sneering cynicism," look buddy, you're projecting far too much of your imagination into this. Ask a question get an answer, pick a quarrel and get one, why are you moaning at the turn this has taken given your approach?


Well who doesn't have a lot to learn? Anyway borrow them all you want cause you wrote half of them and then quoted it all under my screen name;)

But I digress, why didn't you just post your remarks up to the one who asked for everyone's opinion?

Instead, you chose to pick an argument with me for no other reason than you didn't like what wasn't addressed to you in the first place. Why?

You didn't ask for clarification, you didn't ask for any further specification but instead used a tactless approach trying to set out my own opinion for me. Why?

Never mind. I don't care if you don't accept what i had to say cause it was never put out there for you to or not to accept.

If it's easier for you to get into an argument than attempt to understand something then your little words of wisdom are rather ironic.

Ok, bye now.
*sneers at ozi dan*

Life / about bielska-bialo - require some advice about living there. [5]

lots of little pubs and clubs in that city as long as you can find a partner in crime then you shouldn't have any problem finding a place to go to. Kind of has an artsy scene as well and a modest student population.

News / Poland Needs to Shape up [43]


says the guy who suggests catholicism should be abolished here and alcohol should be outlawed.

yeah let's make really crazy rules and have the government enforce what can and can't be consumed, oh wait, that happened already. How did that go?

News / Poland Needs to Shape up [43]

cause anyone that would quote a wwe character is surely diluting the cultural milieu,
that is all.

News / Poland Needs to Shape up [43]


kick adrian11224/Nara out of Poland!

Life / PATRIOTISM -- POLISH OR OTHERWISE? [23]


you thought wrong. I wrote "reread" and "reanalyze" which means do it again after the last time you did it.


Didn't i write one might revere, admire, aspire to or use as inspiration that particular something/someone?

In fact i wrote that these are better terms to use as i feel pride is reserved for those things you yourself have done or tried to do.


Seriously what's so hard to understand about the above and why get so bent out of shape about it?


Really? Which nation did I address, can you show me where I wrote this?
No?
Ok then, it looks like you're just making stuff up.
Breathe in, breathe out, calm down and try thinking rationaly.

Clearly reading comprehension is not something you've any talent for:
A question was posed on the internet, i responded as the op seemed to have asked for opinions. That's it.

You seem to take great offence that someone (in this case me) suggests you use a different term other than "pride" or "proud" for some feelings you have for something. Like as if it would really change how you feel about ____. Unless of course, you have chosen to attach your self worth to things that you had nothing to do with (blurring lines between self worth and accomplishments of others).

Seriously is there something wrong with saying "I'm glad to be(insert nationality here) because of the great country my ancestors helped to build or the bravery they showed" instead of just saying i'm proud of (insert ancestor here)?"

Is it so awful to say "I really respect and admire so and so from the past and aspire to be like them" instead of saying you're "proud to be (nationality) because (insert historical figure[s]) was/were (insert nationality) too?"

Is it so offensive to you to suggest "pride" be reserved for those people who have done something worth a lick and more than just be born?

Are you just too lazy to be specific or that much of a weak sister to tolerate another person entertaining ideas you can't figure out?

Now, I'd rather you just go away, if you've nothing to bring to the table other than pouting and emotional outbursts.

UK, Ireland / POLISH TEENAGER MURDERED IN UK..man convicted [28]

I honestly think it will have to come down to race wars or something like that for immigration in some nations to smarten up. How can you let somebody like that into the country in the first place?

Life / PATRIOTISM -- POLISH OR OTHERWISE? [23]


wow it's like i wasn't addressing you at all...


...so take your own advice....oh wait, it's a message board, we generally post things we've thought about (personally analyzed), no? Hey look at that, i beat you to the punch and did exactly what you wrote i should do, before you wrote it.

Reread and reanalyze what i wrote previously in varying contexts and get back to me when you've done so.
Good luck.


Quite true, I was thinking of specific things but was far too unmotivated to go them. You seem to be as sharp as they come so I'm sure you could think of instances where people claim to be proud of things but when asked "why" really can't come up with anything that makes sense. When you do come up with those instances then perhaps you'll get what i had written.


Yeah I think I get your point but again if someone hasn't really contributed squat to something then how can they be proud of it? It'd be like me saying I'm proud to be Norwegian even though i don't contribute to what makes norway so great. Or if i said i take pride in what the early scandanavian explorers did, like as though i had anything to do with it. It's a stupid way of thinking imo and fails all logical criticism.

And if somebody asked me, "hey f4, why are you so proud to be norwegian?" Wtf would i even say, "uh cause i was born there? and grew up there and lived my life like your average norwegian" wtf kind of answer is that?


I agree with your idea and would argue parents contribute (as a rule) much more to what their children become than simply feed them.


preposterous sir, you have no choices as to where your tax dollars go it's none of your doing. Why would you be proud of the team, what have you done to make a difference?

Here in Poland, when the football team wins, everyone proclaims, "we won" but when they lose, everyone proclaims "they lost."

To put this another way, should you feel shame if Canadian mining companies operating abroad abuse local workers? If your local junior hockey team (whl or ohl?) acts like complete morons at a local bar? Should you be ashamed of what the RCMP did in Vancouver? Or should you be disgusted and outraged? and Why?

Keep in mind in one way or another your tax dollars probably affect each entity mentioned but you get almost no say in the matter.

Seriously thanks for your insight and questions, i like the way you approach debates in general.

Life / PATRIOTISM -- POLISH OR OTHERWISE? [23]


without you knowing what specific examples i was referring to, you're really off base. But reiterate my initial statement more clearly, if one wants to be proud of something they didn't affect or couldn't have affected due to things like time then it shows a lack of introspection and analysis. Having said that


So you want to be proud of your country? hey bud, have at er and spread the positive vibes!

You want to be proud you are " " great but to me that's like somebody saying they're proud to have " " colour of eyes. I still wish luck with that but being proud of what you were born as and had no choice in is rather silly to me.

Now you go and get some guy who says he's proud of what some other guy or gal did a looong time ago and, well, if you can't see how little sense that makes then i feel sorry for you.

But to end on a positive note, I helped push a family's car tonight and gave them a jumper boost and then wished them a Happy Independence Day and everyone smiled.

The end.

Love / Italian-American Guy and Polish Girl living in Chicago (I'm confused) [12]

yeah i also heard polish people proclaim a few years back: we're the mexico of europe!
Me: Is that a good thing?

I like the Polish far too much to ever think of them as anything but Polish.

Life / PATRIOTISM -- POLISH OR OTHERWISE? [23]

i think if you're "proud" of anything you (meaning anyone really) yourself haven't directly contributed to then you're severely lacking in analytical skills.

Patriotism: i feel people confuse or rather blur the distinctions between reverence, admiration and esteem with personal accomplishment and self worth. Patriotism is a very specific thing but people are quite lazy in how the define it and act out being "patriotic." So in the end, "patriotism" is healthy but with all notions and concepts, people have a way warping these things to negative extremes.

happy independence day

Travel / ŁÓDZ..is it worth a visit? [25]

hellu hooligans in £odz, very honorable reputation among different hools. the main street has pretty good night life, some areas are to be avoided- you'll know if you're there.

Work / How much Poles earn compared to foreigners! [29]

hey eric,
look up the word "tact" (although ironic coming from me)
then please learn how to spell "forginers"
lastly, please work on your delivery so this becomes a compelling topic and not just an opportunity to look at what another "dumb english teacher" has written on this forum.

bye.

Work / Is there jobs for a beauty therapist in Poland? [28]

is this like when you give therapy to someone who is beautiful and doesn't know how to handle it? intriguing if so.

News / March of Tolerance in Krakow [478]


hmmm, the reason i questioned if it was a theory was simply because i know there's a difference between theory and hypothesis and i'm guilty too often of confusing the few, i've no doubts regarding that it's based in science.

It's biologically abnormally, geez that's it? no conclusions from that then? Well on it being abnormal then it looks like I agree with you wholeheatedly. But was a study really needed to establish that? I mean wtf, isn't abnormal just a term for not like the majority? But I could (or we) be wrong.

i musta missed the boat on where someone said it's normal. *shakes head*

Well anyway it was fun debating with you. Cheers for your time (whatever it was we were on about)
:)

News / March of Tolerance in Krakow [478]

yo, hey, z_man, you kinda forfeited on our last exchange. No big deal I suppose as this latest of yours is of much more interest to me.

I think the findings you posted are quite interesting but they don't appear to be actually proven, just a hypothetical cause. Anyway let's make like their theory (if it is in fact a theory) is spot on and homosexuality is "abnormal." So is blindness, so is being born with a number of abnormalities, what conclusion(s) do you draw from this then?

I mean the fact that it is not as predominant as heterosexuality kinda makes it pointless for the big conclusion to be that it's abnormal, that's pretty obvious, but so what? Isn't this thread about being tolerant of differences?

Travel / Polish roads as recorded by myself earlier today [74]


then forever would be a very finite period. if you don't understand that in this context "speed" is referring to high speeds then allow me to help you clarify this immediately and in no uncertain terms.

"Incompetence" what do you mean by that? what a horribly defended argument that is. Anyone can be deemed incompetent if the other drivers are going fast enough. It's not everyone else's job to adapt to moron drivers and if they misjudge the speed of a vehicle going waaay over the speed limit, is that incompetence? Excessive speeding should also be considered witin the context of road conditions, weather conditions, traffic conditions, I could go on forever...

Travel / Polish roads as recorded by myself earlier today [74]

High speeds are ok for a car built to handle them because they can maneuver, decelerate or stop at rate other cars can't:

this seems to be the prevailing (false) logic used to justify going faster (sometimes much) than the speed limits posted. Just one problem, other drivers (traffic) cyclists and pedestrians. When you speed you cut down on everyone else's ability to react to your actions, margins of error become reduced to unsafe levels.

Why some people are so unable to use their imaginations to reach this conclusion really speaks volumes about them. It's like a trucker assuming every other driver has the capabilities (protection, and perspective) he enjoys and then justifies whatever he does that way.

Grow up boys, or find a sport, but fcuking around on the roads is a good way to shorten someone's life, not necessarily yours.

News / March of Tolerance in Krakow [478]


well then if you're using existence as an argument then you're claiming that bacteria has more to do with life than any human. I would ask though if the bacteria today is the same variety which predated higher forms? I wasn't around then so I wouldn't know but you seem to have the inside track on this one so i may well defer to you on this.


No, I'm not denying my own statement. It seems you're assuming whether or not I believe the "mind" to be biological or even exist, some of, no, scratch that, the majority of the neuro science community believes that the "mind" doesn't even exist. It can be argued therefore that absolutely nothing prevents a homosexual from procreating whatsoever.

I guess your position mystifies me because there seems to be an abundance of evidence which entirely contradicts your assertion. That is, homosexual men have in fact procreated. Sure they've come out of the closet after the fact but it doesn't change the fact that they are able to do exactly what you say they aren't able to do.


great but what's that got to do with the price of fish?


well then we can just as well argue that humans are in general quite "against" life as we seem to have a propensity for wiping out species and organisms, so where does that lead us to then?

News / March of Tolerance in Krakow [478]


Sorry but I view the biological environment needed to house the bacteria as a prerequisite and therefore more related to "life" than the bacteria itself.


Maybe it was in dire need of amplification cause it wasn't that strong on its' own or maybe there should be conclusion one could draw from your point?


Ok, there's nothing preventing them from naturally procreating aside from their "mind."
Look however you try to slice it, if you lower things to the biological level then there really isn't any difference between a gay guy and you and your respective benefits to the species.


so? We can reduce biological laws down to chemical laws? And then down to quantum physics? at what point should the reduction stop? and then what conclusions could we draw from whatever point is finally made? To me it just seems like a pointless exercise...:/


...coupled with beneficial results to argue why something could be interpreted as healthy. That was it, no tricks, no gimmicks.


yes, now if you could manage to do the same and drop the condescending tone then this might still turn out to be a pleasant exchange. if you can't, then, y'know what to do.


Maybe, but how would the world population being a whole lot larger than it is now be "for" the species? I don't see that as "for" the species at all. In fact, I would view that as akin to a parasite killing off it's host and then dying as a result of having no host.

News / March of Tolerance in Krakow [478]

Hey sorry this is real real late but i got back to this topic when i could:

Hey z_darius, I think you might be sick of this topic but I felt a bit obliged to write back on some of the things we'd debated. Here's my 2 cents and sorry if you've gone over everything i am about to write (i tend not to read ever post once it gets like this).


Great and homosexuals are perfectly capable of procreating with the opposite sex, there is nothing physical preventing a homosexual male and female from copulating other than their brains (or minds but then that takes us further out to sea than we already are).


...that it is perfectly natural whether i, you, or anyone else likes it at all?
If it went against the species as a whole then the world population should be a lot lower than it is.


and that's where you're only right in the abstract, fictional situation you conjured up. In theory if we only had homosexuals in one civilization and only heterosexuals in another, then the hetero community would probably continue long after the homosexual community. But so what?

It's a stupid hypothesis based on stupid circumstances that simply don't mimic reality. If we threw in a bunch of straight guys in one civilization with no women then they'd still be unable to procreate. I guess what I'm saying is that you'd have a great point in this debate if we were discussing your fictional scenario.

I guess i agree with you but don't see what conclusions one could really draw from this. Unless of course we get into philosophy, and by defining things from a _____ perspective we're really just interpreting the world around us through various lenses.

Defining things biologically, pfft! Works great for an amoeba but when dealing with a civilization as complex as the human one, perhaps we could expand to how "beneficial" one is to the species beyond their desire to procreate, y'know like their overall contribution to society, and fellow man.

Sorry if that's too touchy feely for you but almost any male female pairing "can" procreate, I think we're should be about a bit more than that.


Great but i don't see your point. I only stated that something painless with beneficial effects is, and should be, considered healthy, if I wrote pain is a bad thing then i take it back but show me where i wrote that if so.

News / March of Tolerance in Krakow [478]


sorry, but what's the definition of life and how does homosexuality go against it?


well what do you supppose I mean? I don't know about you but if an aspect of human behaviour helps to remedy a problem and is painless at the same time then "healthy" defines it rather well imho.


I see (i think) where you're going but as you pointed out, this is a painful "solution" which seems (heavy on the "seems") to be much more chaotic.


well on that we agree but i'm not sure if i had to try at all, i think you did more of the work;)

If you want to argue from a biological point of view then:
There are too many people on this planet. Homosexuality ensures at least some of the population doesn't procreated. This in turn (hypothetically) should eventually reduce numbers (hasn't though, maybe we need more of them first) which in turn ensures our survival rather than impede it.

It seems more like an adaptation that acts as a pressur release valve (if there is such a thing).

Really, if we start mixing biology and philosphy then i don't see how this could work out in favour of your position. Sooner or later we'll come to the question of "what is natural?" I mean if conflict between bacteria, viruses and the infected is seen through a neutral natural lense, ignoring the pain and suffering, then it's a slippery slope to say all things are natural and just "are."

News / March of Tolerance in Krakow [478]


Glass half-empty reply:Hey, hey, hey, hey, that's just repackaging what i wrote above your post, c'mon that's bare faced plagarism if ever there was such a thing on a post forum.

Glass half-full reply: Hey, how about that? Looks like we're both on to something. Well great minds often think alike!

I'm torn, which way should I go? Haf-full or half-empty? Is this how someone with a sexual identity crisis feels? If it's wrong to joke about such things then i don't wanna be right.

News / March of Tolerance in Krakow [478]


Well we aren't really talking about any population are we (i don't know i haven't read many of the responses here, just this first post on the page and not even that closely)? If we're talking about the present human population in our reality then it seems your argument isn't all that applicable. I mean, in a world burgeoning with human overpopulation, i could forward that homosexuality is a very healthy adaptation to help reduce the current numbers.


i don't know about that, doesn't your argument presume the purpose of one's existence is to procreate? Besides that you've applied your argument within the confines of a situation that seems more clinical than practical. I think there is more than one perspective to view this issue from and such are the sources for so much heated debate.