I thought we'd been through these issues many months prior.
wow it's like i wasn't addressing you at all...
Given your preoccupation with the notion of pride, don't you think your time would be better spent in personally analysing this fetish, rather than continuously soap boxing a flawed, subjective perspective.
...so take your own advice....oh wait, it's a message board, we generally post things we've thought about (personally analyzed), no? Hey look at that, i beat you to the punch and did exactly what you wrote i should do, before you wrote it.
Reread and reanalyze what i wrote previously in varying contexts and get back to me when you've done so.
There were no specific examples. You painted with a very wide brush.
Quite true, I was thinking of specific things but was far too unmotivated to go them. You seem to be as sharp as they come so I'm sure you could think of instances where people claim to be proud of things but when asked "why" really can't come up with anything that makes sense. When you do come up with those instances then perhaps you'll get what i had written.
"anything" easily includes pride of one's country.
Yeah I think I get your point but again if someone hasn't really contributed squat to something then how can they be proud of it? It'd be like me saying I'm proud to be Norwegian even though i don't contribute to what makes norway so great. Or if i said i take pride in what the early scandanavian explorers did, like as though i had anything to do with it. It's a stupid way of thinking imo and fails all logical criticism.
And if somebody asked me, "hey f4, why are you so proud to be norwegian?" Wtf would i even say, "uh cause i was born there? and grew up there and lived my life like your average norwegian" wtf kind of answer is that?
A glaring example is parent's pride of their child's achievements. The parents may be feeble but their son may be a general, they may be illiterate but their daughter is a leading scientist in some discipline. What have they done to be proud? Fed her? Big deal. That's what parents do, right?
I agree with your idea and would argue parents contribute (as a rule) much more to what their children become than simply feed them.
Another example. I live in Canada. I am proud of various Canadian, smaller or greater, reasons for pride. Canadian hockey team is one of the best. I am proud of it even though I do not play hockey. Heck, I can't skate at all. But I pay taxes here, and those taxes cover the costs of minor hockey leagues, local hockey arenas and such.
preposterous sir, you have no choices as to where your tax dollars go it's none of your doing. Why would you be proud of the team, what have you done to make a difference?
Here in Poland, when the football team wins, everyone proclaims, "we won" but when they lose, everyone proclaims "they lost."
To put this another way, should you feel shame if Canadian mining companies operating abroad abuse local workers? If your local junior hockey team (whl or ohl?) acts like complete morons at a local bar? Should you be ashamed of what the RCMP did in Vancouver? Or should you be disgusted and outraged? and Why?
Keep in mind in one way or another your tax dollars probably affect each entity mentioned but you get almost no say in the matter.
Seriously thanks for your insight and questions, i like the way you approach debates in general.