Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved

Sokrates 8 | 3335

2 Jun 2009 / #391

Germans losing interest...

No you wont, you need to dominate, EU is a peacefull vent for these ambitions and the smarter of your politicians know it, even the statement about Germans being able to resettle in our country is an extention of that policy which is exactly why you're US prime opponents, of course it has nothing to do with sympathy or lack of thereof.

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11939

2 Jun 2009 / #392

I tell you....Germans losing interest....

guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/30/germany-europe-eu

Not that I can stand the man or his opinons but he puts the finger on a development...

....
this new form of German Euroscepticism also shows a fundamental change of attitude amongst the overwhelming majority of Germany's political and economic elite.
The change is evident by asking a single question: would it still be possible today to give up the deutschmark and introduce the euro as a common currency? The answer is a resounding no....

Sokrates 8 | 3335

2 Jun 2009 / #393

I tell you....Germans losing interest....

Even without EU you're pro-Russian so you're still an American opponent.

scrappleton - | 829

2 Jun 2009 / #394

@scrappleton

You sound somewhat bitter...

LOL.. this coming from Bratwurst!! Can I borrow one your little "cute" faces of a guy laughing? C'mon tell other Americans on here how you think we're all stupid mongrels. I've seen you type it on here before. Again, es tut mir leid, schade.. I did not save the link.

Why? US wants to remain a global hegemony, EU as a superstate would threaten that and Germany is the major driving factor in this unification?

Do you have any idea of the amount of reciprocal investment between the US and EU? It's not all one sided. More often than not what's good for the EU is in turn good for the US. With all these jobs flying off to China, global hegemony doesn't seem to be first and foremost on the minds of most US leaders. Again, your statement was pretty stupid. Even casual observation could have told you what I just had to spell out for you.

Sokrates 8 | 3335

2 Jun 2009 / #395

Do you have any idea of the amount of reciprocal investment between the US and EU?

EU as a whole is able to leverage uncomfortable trade conditions, with Europe fractured US can dictate much better deals as a dominant global economy.

It's not all one sided.

No of course not but US is much more powerfull, against fractured economy its all powerfull.

More often than not what's good for the EU is in turn good for the US.

Like war in Iraq? War in Afganistan? Sorry buddy but you're writing from your arse.

With all these jobs flying off to China, global hegemony doesn't seem to be first and foremost on the minds of most US leaders.

And yet they invade countries for natural resources or to undermine potential Chinese allies? Please ...

Even casual observation could have told you what I just had to spell out for you.

You didnt spell out anything, you're writing what amounts to your personal opinions based on bloody ignorance and underlined with a hint of arrogant twat.

C'mon tell other Americans on here how you think we're all stupid mongrels.

Other Americans here include some pretty awesomely stupid posters, if Shopgirl is a yank then she amounts to the only actually smart American on these boards, mind you its a norm and yes i've been to US and i have an American passport though i am and consider myself Polish first :)

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11939

2 Jun 2009 / #396

C'mon tell other Americans on here how you think we're all stupid mongrels. I've seen you type it on here before. Again, es tut mir leid, schade.. I did not save the link.

I don't remember writing something like that.
But I remember writing about the Luftbrücke and that the hostilities between occupiers and occupied ended that day, that they became friends and allies.

I'm an Ossi and a Berliner Scrappleton, we (the real ones not the lefty immigrants from all over Germany ) are the most pro-americans you will find.

But somehow I fear you only hear and read what you want to....

scrappleton - | 829

2 Jun 2009 / #397

No of course not but US is much more powerfull, against fractured economy its all powerfull.

WHY WOULD WE WANT IT FRACTURED IF WE HAVE INVESTENT THERE????? JESUS H. CHRIST! I know I'm just an imbecile American but that seems relatively obvious.

And yet they invade countries for natural resources or to undermine potential Chinese allies? Please ...

No oil has been taken from Iraq, genius. Had we wanted we would have just taken it. Does this not dawn of your pathetic brain??

Sokrates 8 | 3335

2 Jun 2009 / #398

WHY WOULD WE WANT IT FRACTURED IF WE HAVE INVESTENT THERE?????

You're as mindless as JohnP, it doesnt matter whether you trade with EU or specific states except that you can excersize monopoly or protectionist tactics much easier against smaller economies.

I know I'm just an imbecile American but that seems relatively obvious.

Apparently its not if i had to point it out.

No oil has been taken from Iraq, genius.

In fact Iraq has MORE oil since it got invaded! :)))

Had we wanted we would have just taken it.

And you do? Its called food for oil programme? You steal oil giving food to cover shortages you created on purpose by destroying the country?

Salomon 2 | 436

2 Jun 2009 / #399

guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/30/germany-europe-eu

From G20 to G2 as China tunes in to economic debate

theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,25293172-5013584,00.html

Well ... most world press called G-20 meeting ... G2 meeting of USA and China ... it is the reality.

Germany is regional power without potnential of being more important on worlds map. As Joshka noticed EU is being weak and nobody cares about euros opinion.

freebird 3 | 532

2 Jun 2009 / #400

One never hears the ethnic name calling anymore. In the early years the word, WOP, DAGO. POLLACK. KRAUT HEAD. KIKE, MICK
RUSKIE are hardly ever heard anymore.

yep, really not that much anymore

Sasha 2 | 1083

2 Jun 2009 / #401

Interesting given the fact that there are still men alive that thought of you as nothing but dirt and wished for nothing but your complete destruction as a nation.

Of course. The men you mentioned will always be and not only in Germany, but also in the US and... in Russia. They're basically all over the world.

Your attitude is interesting for me as well given that all American North is mainly ethnically German.

Do you honestly think at core Germans don't still think this way?

I don't. I don't even know what could serve as a dependable evidence for that. The Volga Germans (those who resettled to Russia at the times of Ekaterina) have deserved reputation of kind, honest and neat people. They together with Russians lived through the WW and stalin's times. Many died defending their new homeland against fascists and in Soviet Labour Camps. They contributed a lot to our science, they're traditionally #1 engineers worldwide.

I've personally never had any bad experience with Germans. I get along with them pretty well both in Russia and in the US although they sometimes seem to be cold (but that's maybe in comparison to other Slavs... we Slavs are a bit too emotional... he-he :)) ).

They are still an arrogant and dangerous nation. I know who they are, I've lived there.

Friend, maybe you should have treated them the way you expected to be treated? I don't know... I can't label the whole nation. Yes some nations are more interesting to me than others but generalizations like "they're dangerous nation" are beyond my grasp.

Are your forefathers from England, mate?

niejestemcapita 2 | 561

2 Jun 2009 / #402

don't know... I can't label the whole nation

Are your forefathers from England, mate?

OKkkkkk...:)

Salomon 2 | 436

2 Jun 2009 / #403

The Volga Germans (those who resettled to Russia at the times of Ekaterina) have deserved reputation of kind, honest and neat people.

Many died defending their new homeland

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_Germans

When Hitler invaded the Soviet Union, Stalin was worried that the Volga Germans might collaborate with them. On August 28, 1941, he dissolved the Volga-German ASSR and ordered the immediate relocation of ethnic Germans, both from the Volga and from a number of other traditional areas of settlement. These were stripped of their land and houses, and moved eastwards to Kazakhstan in Soviet Central Asia, Altai Krai in Siberia, and other remote areas.

Sasha 2 | 1083

2 Jun 2009 / #404

OKkkkkk...:)

I didn't get your reaction. Did you have a shot at drawing a parallel between two quotes of mine?

Many died defending their new homeland

...and in Soviet Labour Camps

Cite the whole sentence please to avoid misunderstanding. Many were deported to Kazakhstan or executed... unfortunately.

PlasticPole 7 | 2641

2 Jun 2009 / #405

Nazi germanys total aggression against Western and Eastern Europe can never be forgiven. Why do you think BB everybody hates the Germans? A well prepared fighting force was beaten back to Berlin and anialated LOL. How long did you hold your territories?? Great Britian had an empire for 100's of years Germany only managed a portion of Europe for a split second in the big scale of things.

Yeah it does suck what they did but you have to forgive them at some point and move on or you have the same things happening again and again. You don't have to be the best of friends but at some point everyone has to let go of the past, to some extent, and get on with the future. That goes for everywhere.

OP Wroclaw Boy

2 Jun 2009 / #406

Oh hey man, those little cutesy smiley faces you use kind of clash with your avatar as a fierce warrior.

Nice observation.

Wroclaw Boy:
Why do you think BB everybody hates the Germans?
What makes you think that??? :)

Its a direct result of people like your self actually. Just when im beginning to think Germans are OK i meet a German like your self and its right back to square one.

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11939

2 Jun 2009 / #407

Well...you can't please everybody!

PS: There is a softie under that helmet! :)

scrappleton - | 829

2 Jun 2009 / #408

Your attitude is interesting for me as well given that all American North is mainly ethnically German.

.. and Italian, Irish, Polish and still a whole lot of British in the north. Germans only comprise about 15 - 20%. I've seen the census figures myself.

Your attitude is interesting to me given the rise of neo nazis in Germany. This has been documented in 'The Economist' only recently. Surely you are aware of that. For decades Germans kept these attitudes surpressed (let's face it, they had no choice). As they are asserting themselves economically the old ways are resurfacing. You hear BB brag about these "no go" zones they enforce. Look, just because you personally have not come across a German with these attitudes hardly means they do not exist.

PlasticPole 7 | 2641

2 Jun 2009 / #409

Its a direct result of people like your self actually. Just when im beginning to think Germans are OK i meet a German like your self and its right back to square one.

With B.B. it's like, he's reacting so I can't really tell where he stands, exactly. I get the impression when I read his posts he feels like Germany is misunderstood. Germany became a reactionist state under the Nazis and they were worried they were going to be destroyed by Europe and Bolsheviks who they thought were infiltrating everywhere so they reacted by creating the Nazi state. Of course it was stupid, but I can see how it happened. It was a state that feared it was on the verge of being wiped out, plus it was pissed because it lost WWI so it overreacted and became too harsh and brutal. It wanted to consume everything. It went after Poland because it was paranoid Poland would become more powerful than it.

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11939

2 Jun 2009 / #410

Surely you are aware of that. For decades Germans kept these attitudes surpressed (let's face it, they had no choice). As they are asserting themselves economically the old ways are resurfacing.

Your governors family was Nazi...why don't you take it out on them???

You are grasping for straw arguments to somehow explain your germanophobia...not very well at that!

ZIMMY 6 | 1601

2 Jun 2009 / #411

Sasha:
Your attitude is interesting for me as well given that all American North is mainly ethnically German.
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.. and Italian, Irish, Polish and still a whole lot of British in the north. Germans only comprise about 15 - 20%

Mongrel America has relatively few 100% Americans of German ancestry. Many people may be part German but they are also part Polish, Irish, Italian, etc. This was less true 100 years ago and even 50 years ago.

I have found that most people of part German and Polish ancestry default to the Polish side. Somehow they feel more comfort there.

scrappleton - | 829

2 Jun 2009 / #412

Your governors family was Nazi...why don't you take it out on them???

No they were not, fool. He asked Wiesenthal's team to investigate. Arnold's pop was a soldier. There's a big difference.

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11939

2 Jun 2009 / #413

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American

German Americans (German: Deutschamerikaner) are citizens of the United States of German ancestry, with traditions and self-identity based on German language and culture.
They form the largest self-reported ancestry group in the United States, outnumbering the Irish and English.[4][5] They account for 50 million people, or 17% of the U.S. population

It's somehow hard to misunderstand, Zimmy...

Famous German-Americans:
german.about.com/library/blfam_geramABC.htm

I have found that most people of part German and Polish ancestry default to the Polish side. Somehow they feel more comfort there.

Uh..another wisdom from the corner of "the whole world hates Germany"???

:)

scrappleton - | 829

2 Jun 2009 / #414

It's somehow hard to misunderstand, Zimmy...

It is hard to misunderstand Zimmy's post - Some how you managed to do it.

PlasticPole 7 | 2641

2 Jun 2009 / #415

Your attitude is interesting for me as well given that all American North is mainly ethnically German.

Germans settled in places like Wisconsin. You are probably thinking of old neighborhoods that are made up of one ethnic group who mostly came from immigrants, like, Italians or Greeks. You can find them in the northeast and in the midwest.

I haven't heard of all German neighborhoods, though. They might have been more inclined to spread out when they came here. Don't worry, we still have plenty of Oktoberfests no matter the location ;) Doesn't matter if you are German or not. You are still free to come to Oktoberfest!

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11939

2 Jun 2009 / #416

It is hard to misunderstand Zimmy's post - Some how you managed to do it.

According to the U.S. Census conducted in 2000, 42.8 million Americans identified themselves as being of German ancestry, representing 15.2% of the total U.S. population.
By comparison, the next largest group, Irish Americans, comprised 10.8% of the population, while African Americans and Americans of English background each accounted for just under 9%. It is estimated that between 1800 and the present over seven million German-speakers emigrated to the U.S., the majority of whom arrived between about 1840 and 1914, with the peak period coming in the early 1880s.
In the nineteenth century many of these immigrants settled in the states of the Upper Midwest, an area known to this day as America's "German Belt."

mki.wisc.edu/HGIA/Settling.htm

Somehow they don't see each other as mixes or prefer to be Polish...they see themselves as GERMANS!

Don't worry, we still have plenty of Oktoberfests no matter the location ;)

And that is the real important thing, isn't it...Prost! :)

No they were not, fool. He asked Wiesenthal's team to investigate. Arnold's pop was a soldier. There's a big difference.

Interesting!
When I defend the common german soldier against the likes of you who call them mass murderer or worse YOU CALL ME A NAZI!!!
What a bigot arsehole you are!

Not to mention that the austrian neo-nazis even took part in the government and are much stronger than in Germany...but that doesn't interest you...

I made an error in judging you...you are just a germanophobe a*ss, not interested in facts!
Keep on hating the Germans, I don't give a f'uck anylonger!

Oh and just for your information...Arnies pop was more Nazi than most of the young stubblehoppers during the war...he was even a member of the Nazi party!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Schwarzenegger#Nazi_Party_and_SA_membership

...
Gustav Schwarzenegger voluntarily applied to join the Nazi Party, in 1938, when it was still illegal in Austria.

Sasha 2 | 1083

2 Jun 2009 / #417

.. and Italian, Irish, Polish and still a whole lot of British in the north. Germans only comprise about 15 - 20%. I've seen the census figures myself.

See here. That in fact means the vast majority of white Americans have German ancestry. Some significant spots are called there "American" though which doesn't make any sense in terms of ethnicity.

Look, just because you personally have not come across a German with these attitudes hardly means they do not exist.

True as well as if you've run into such attitudes doesn't mean that this is applicable for the whole nation. :) I'm not being hostile, I just want to see the logic in your reasoning.

My question about your ancestry was no more but curiosity.

PlasticPole 7 | 2641

2 Jun 2009 / #418

See here. That in fact means the vast majority of white Americans have German ancestry.

Lol, how recent is that map? I didn't know there were that many whites left in America. That's interesting though.
It's hard to read all that tiny print. Are the light blues the Germans?

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11939

2 Jun 2009 / #419

*click on the map*

From 2000....so much light blue Germans!
(We should just take over....)

Where are the Poles here?

PlasticPole 7 | 2641

2 Jun 2009 / #420

From 2000....so much light blue Germans!

Thanks, I thought that was the case but I needed you to be sure. I didn't know the map was clickable... It's from the 2000 census which means people who aren't German could have put German anyway which just means they are caucasian.

My guess is some who put they are German are what could be called European. Many people have a German great great grandfather and an English/Scottish great great grandmother.