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Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved


scrappleton - | 830  
3 Jun 2009 /  #481
because Italians are hairy??? *just guessing* :)

The same term is probably floated over to German women.
nunczka 8 | 458  
3 Jun 2009 /  #482
When I was in Poland, I've met quite a few locals in Mikolajki and Gdansk who spoke fluent German and claimed to be Germans.

Could it be that the people speaking German in Gdansk were Kashubian? I was under the impression that at one time they were German. But their language is closer to Polish maybe a little Chech.. I stand to be corrected.

There are a lot of Kashubians in Canada
freebird 3 | 532  
4 Jun 2009 /  #483
Could it be that the people speaking German in Gdansk were Kashubian?

maybe, maybe not but then again until 1945 there were 95,03% Germans living there, just take a look

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
5 Jun 2009 /  #484
maybe, maybe not but then again until 1945 there were 95,03% Germans living there, just take a look

Lovely, now please give us Central Chicago, 99% people there speak Polish, its ours right?
scrappleton - | 830  
5 Jun 2009 /  #485
The northwest section is more or less.
freebird 3 | 532  
5 Jun 2009 /  #486
Lovely, now please give us Central Chicago, 99% people there speak Polish, its ours right?

go ahead, suit yourself, lol.

but 99% ain't right and you know it (not even close to it)
Salomon 2 | 436  
5 Jun 2009 /  #487
maybe, maybe not but then again until 1945 there were

If we go a little bit back we can see that Germans organised expulsions of the Poles before WWI (in 19 century) ...

As to your statistics something is wrong there because more Polish for their Polishness people were murdered in Gdańsk than exist in your census.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
5 Jun 2009 /  #488
but 99% ain't right and you know it (not even close to it)

There's neighbourhoods tens of thousands large where people can live whole of their life and not speak a word of English, in places its 100%.

but 99% ain't right and you know it

There's 179k confirmed Poles, aproximately four times as much americanized Poles, the total of citizens of Polish descent is estimated as 700k, thats about 25% of the total pop.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601  
5 Jun 2009 /  #489
There are now more Poles living in Chicago's suburbs than in the city. There are Polish stores, even a full supermarket here and there in the 'burbs.
Jethro - | 28  
5 Jun 2009 /  #490
Damn, It would be wonderful to live in a real Polish neighborhood again. In my hometown (Baltimore). Polish is almost just a memory.The younger generation does not speak the language anymore.. The old folks have died off.. The Polish speaking schools taught by Nuns are gone. Polish churches no longer say mass in Polish. We are surrounded by minorities. This is the wave of the future
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,591  
6 Jun 2009 /  #491
Interesting....another taboo flies out of the window!

"The suffering of civilians was for many years masked by the over-riding image - that of the French welcoming the liberators with open arms"

Christophe Prime
Historian

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8084210.stm

...
"It was rather a shock to find we were not welcomed ecstatically as liberators by the local people, as we were told we should be... They saw us as bringers of destruction and pain," Mr Roker wrote in his diary.

Another soldier, Ivor Astley of the 43rd Wessex Infantry, described the locals as "sullen and silent... If we expected a welcome, we certainly failed to find it."

...
"The theft and looting of Normandy households and farmsteads by liberating soldiers began on June 6 and never stopped during the entire summer," he writes.

One woman - from the town of Colombieres - is quoted as saying that "the enthusiasm for the liberators is diminishing. They are looting... everything, and going into houses everywhere on the pretext of looking for Germans."

Time for a more realistic Pr.Ryan or BoB???
sjam 2 | 541  
6 Jun 2009 /  #492
Interesting....another taboo flies out of the window!

Here is another:

When France capitulated in June 1940, tens of thousands of Polish soldiers were evacuated to Britain. Surprisingly they were not received warmly. Churchill asked Sikorski why he was bringing his soldiers to Britain?

Source: Page 91 Memoirs of an Éminence grise by J. Retinger pub. 1972 Sussex, England.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601  
6 Jun 2009 /  #493
Churchill asked Sikorski why he was bringing his soldiers to Britain?

Churchill once said, The Poles are just like the Irish, only more so.
OP Wroclaw Boy  
7 Jun 2009 /  #494
Back on topic i was watching the womens final of the French open yesterday, those two Russian ladies really looked hard. Especially the eventual winner Svetlana Kuznetsova, we all know the Soviets used millions of women as soldiers against the Germans and with these types of characters its no wonder why.

I reckon Kuznetsova would have no problem at all manning a machine gun and hosing down allied soldiers by the dozen. A definate Russian advantage and increase in army man power 'punn intended'.

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