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Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved


Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,591  
2 Jun 2009 /  #451
Arnie is going to need help getting re-elected probably.

So bad, yes?

"I'll be baaaack!"

PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
2 Jun 2009 /  #452
And maybe you will start Bar Mitzvah lessons next week..

You think that's going to help him get elected. Gee, how many jewish presidents has america had ??
scrappleton - | 830  
2 Jun 2009 /  #453
So bad, yes?

When your billions in the red, muscles and a Kennedy wife will not save your neck. He's not exactly in the most popular party right now. We just voted down his referendum to raise taxes. What do you think is next, Feldwebel?
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,591  
2 Jun 2009 /  #454
I have no idea! He is YOUR corporal...
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
2 Jun 2009 /  #455
He's not exactly in the most popular party right now.

I bet he will change parties like Spector did.
scrappleton - | 830  
2 Jun 2009 /  #456
I have no idea! He is YOUR corporal...

Aww schade, you just said you wanted to take over. That's your honorary rank. Wasn't that Adolph's? FOR THE HONOR OF SACRED GERMANY.. LOL.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
2 Jun 2009 /  #457
That was long ago and far away!
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
2 Jun 2009 /  #458
Polish (Gramdmother from Lodz) / Irish

Cool. :) Both are in the list of my favourites.

What about you? Russian could mean many things.

True. In terms of that we're similar to Americans as we have the whole bunch of ethnicities flowing in our veins. One part is Baltic (specifically Lithuanian) the other - Russian (my father's relatives were deported from one place to another by soviet regime). I'll probably take one day DNA test to learn more.

Hey isn't the Russian word for foreigner actually German? I read this somewhere once.

That's almost right if I got you correct. The word which was in use long time ago for all who didn't speak Russian was "nemec" that had derived from the adjective "nemoy" - literally "mute". Since the majority of foreigners in Russia were from Germany that nick stuck to them and nowadays it's only used for Germans. "Nemec" - German male, "nemka" - German female. Surprisingly all other Slavic languages seem to use the same naming convention.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
2 Jun 2009 /  #459
When your billions in the red, muscles and a Kennedy wife will not save your neck.

What I don't understand is him being a republican in the first place. Those Kennedys are all over the place! He should switch sides so he can be just like Ted.
scrappleton - | 830  
2 Jun 2009 /  #460
Surprisingly all other Slavic languages seem to use the same naming convention.

Interesting man, thanks. Russians like Germans huh? Why does Dostoevsky often portray Germans as villians? For example the character, Amalia Ivanovna. I think he usually portrayed them as villians and he is one of your best and most famous writers.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
2 Jun 2009 /  #461
That's an interesting question. Is that part of the Russian psyche? To see Germans as villians, or is it a coincidence? I notice nations, races and ethnic groups can get into the habitual cycle of villianizing each other.
Salomon 2 | 436  
3 Jun 2009 /  #462
Surprisingly all other Slavic languages seem to use the same naming convention.

True.

Dostoevsky

He was chauvinist, his opinion about Poles wasn't better.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
3 Jun 2009 /  #463
He was anti everything except Russia. I only read one book of his Crime And Punishment in History of World Lit 2 in college.
scrappleton - | 830  
3 Jun 2009 /  #464
He was anti everything except Russia

I read Dostoevsky was abused a lot by his father. Might explain a lot of his works. For instance, when his father was sleeping Dostoevsky had to stand over him and shoo flys away.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
3 Jun 2009 /  #465
That doesn't surprise me at all because it was a different time. It was the time before PC. He was bigoted and surrounded by harsh, unforgiving people. Sucks but at least he wrote some okay books. You have to take him in context and realize his weaknesses.
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
3 Jun 2009 /  #466
Russians like Germans huh?

According to census of 1989 the USSR had about 3 mln of Germans. Historically we've never had problems with those Germans who lived on Russian territory. Hence there's no reason for dislike. WWs of course spoilt their image in Russian eyes but people mostly realize fringe lunatics like Hitler inhere in every nation (we had Dzhugashvilli).

Dostoevsky often portray Germans as villians? For example the character, Amalia Ivanovna

Maybe because he had some Polish roots? :)) lol
Amalia Ludvigowna Lippewechsel? :) Not that she was portrayed as villain, she was rather quarrelsome. Your last name is story-telling: die Lippe - a lip, der Wechsel - change. So this is someone moody who likes to always screw lips up. Nice to hear that people abroad read some Russian literature.

Dostoevsky is very interesting personality with non-standard views on things. For instance he was convinced that Russia shouldn't have ever helped any of other Slavic countries (some kind of "anticrow" rhetoric).

Polish map of europe

Could someone explain why Poles call Italy Wlochy? Does anyone know the etymology?
Salomon 2 | 436  
3 Jun 2009 /  #467
he was convinced that Russia shouldn't have ever helped any of other Slavic countries

He claimed that Russian should conquer them instead.

According to census of 1989 the USSR had about 3 mln of Germans

Most of them in current Kazachstan where they have been deported...

Well Russians have long tradtion of freindship with Germans.

Partitions of Poland. Invasion on Poland together with Hitler in 1939 ... I doubt that it will soon change. There is long tradition of this friendship.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,591  
3 Jun 2009 /  #468
Włochy in Polish means "hair".

...because Italians are hairy??? *just guessing* :)
Salomon 2 | 436  
3 Jun 2009 /  #469
Germanic tribes called Northern Italians "Walh". According to Brückner Poles changed a little bit this name and here are "Włochy".

pl.wiktionary.org/wiki/Włochy

Podstawą tego określenia była nazwa szczepu celtyckiego "Volcae". Na gruncie słowiańskim zadomowiła się forma zatem "Wołch", oznaczająca dla Słowian wszelkich Romanów, a w języku polskim doszło do zwężenia zakresu stosowania tego wyrazu jedynie do mieszkańców półwyspu Apenińskiego.

Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,591  
3 Jun 2009 /  #470
Germanic tribes called Northern Italians "Walh"

Really? I never heard of that...hard to believe.
What should "Walh" mean?
The first time the germanic tribes had come in contact with "Italy" was with Rome as far as I know.

Hmmm...wiki says:

...Walh (singular) or Walha (plural) is an ancient Germanic word, meaning "foreigner" or "stranger" (Welsh) or "roman", German: welsch.

The word can be found in Old High German walhisk 'Roman', in Old English wilisc 'foreign, non-English, Cymric', in Old Norse as valskr 'French'. Thus it will be derived from an Proto-Germanic form such as *walhiska-. [1]...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walha

The word "Welsch" I know! :)
Salomon 2 | 436  
3 Jun 2009 /  #471
What should "Walh" mean?The first time the germanic tribes had come in contact with "Italy" was with Rome as far as I know.

I am not linguistic expert but as can read in quoted by me source at the begining all Celts were called in this way... by Germans. Poles borrowed this word and only Italians are called in this way.
nunczka 8 | 458  
3 Jun 2009 /  #472
BB ! Since Alsace was once German territory, and now French.. What is the dominate language now? Do you know?
freebird 3 | 532  
3 Jun 2009 /  #473
What is the dominate language now?

official language is French but many people speak German.
When I was in Poland, I've met quite a few locals in Mikolajki and Gdansk who spoke fluent German and claimed to be Germans.
freebird 3 | 532  
3 Jun 2009 /  #475
Germans unite !!!

what are you talking about man? lol
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,591  
3 Jun 2009 /  #476
BB ! Since Alsace was once German territory, and now French.. What is the dominate language now? Do you know?

At the war time it was still german even as it had official been french for some years, that I know.
But today either french or bilingual I think...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace#Language

...Although German was inherently spoken in Alsace for most of its history, the dominant language in Alsace today is French.

freebird 3 | 532  
3 Jun 2009 /  #477
the dominant language in Alsace today is French.

in France speaking German or actually any other language but French....hmmm, can you imagine that? lol
French are pretty arrogant unless you speak French and it better be a pretty good French too.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,591  
3 Jun 2009 /  #478
Yeah...the french took care to destroy the german roots and heritage in the Elsass after the war.
The wiki article shows that just recently there did a movement start to preserve the old traditions...
Salomon 2 | 436  
3 Jun 2009 /  #479
what are you talking about man? lol

There is something wrong with this map. I am waiting for the light form Kazachstan !!!

KaAaazachstan turn on the light! give us the sign ! We know you are there !
freebird 3 | 532  
3 Jun 2009 /  #480
I am waiting for the light form Kazachstan !!!

OH OK, sorry, didn't want to disturb your inner peace
Have a good 1

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