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Language Teachers - do you feel respected in Poland?


Wulkan - | 3,243
19 Jun 2014 #31
This thread has become rather tiring and monotonous - I'm out.

Someone can't take criticism... sad :-/
Bieganski 17 | 896
19 Jun 2014 #32
I think it is even sadder that the OP thought nothing of coming to a public form like PF and dishing out criticism against his former student whom he disrespected. Talk about kicking someone after knocking them to the ground.
jon357 69 | 18,445
19 Jun 2014 #33
stop with this stupid entitlement like if you are member of royal family or someone of higher status just because you are English teacher. I think you are the one who is being disrespectful here

If you're a professional (and I'm not convinced the OP is) then yes, you should regard yourself as such. Nevertheless, I can't imagine any doctor or lawyer keeping someone outside the door while they take a shower and not even buzzing them in.
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
19 Jun 2014 #34
If you're a professional (and I'm not convinced the OP is) then yes, you should regard yourself as such.

I take it from that you mean that he should adhere to professional standards and act accordingly?
Otherwise it sounds as if you're saying a professional English teacher is of higher status etc. That would surely not be what you meant. I like to think that these days we all see each other as equals, and it's only a small section of the political community who have the cheek to look down on anyone else.
Roger5 1 | 1,455
19 Jun 2014 #35
I like to think that these days we all see each other as equals, and it's only a small section of the political community who have the cheek to look down on anyone else.

I look down on backpacking tefl drunks who blacken the name of my profession. Does that make me a snob?
jon357 69 | 18,445
19 Jun 2014 #36
"Otherwise it sounds as if you're saying a professional English teacher is of higher status etc"
A professional teacher has much higher professional (and probably social) status than, as Roger describes them, a backpacking drunk or someone spooling out Headway in the crapper type of private language school or doing so-called conversation classes without any pedagogical basis. And if taking people's money for that procession, then they should certainly adhere to the highest standards. That includes not only making sure they learn but also not leaving them standing outside the building while the teacher takes a shower.
johnny reb 31 | 6,461
9 Sep 2014 #37
People who never attended college would never know that a teaching degree is the easiest degree there is to obtain, just one step above a liberal arts degree which is virtually useless. (Now I are one)

The courses required are all basic classes for a teaching degree. ie: basic reading, basic writing, basic arithmatic, ect.
There are no "advanced classes" like advanced algebra, advanced physical sciences, advanced chemistry, advanced psychology classes required for a teaching degree.
School teachers then get that little bit of authority over children and suddenly become geniuses lording over them.
This goes to their head and they eventully become odious to anyone besides themselves or other teachers.
ie: Know it all limp wristed obnoxious liberals that stick within their click because of their pretentious lives.
Maybe you have noticed this on this forum.
People that can do it do it and people who can't do it teach it.
jon357 69 | 18,445
9 Sep 2014 #38
The courses required are all basic classes for a teaching degree. ie: basic reading, basic writing, basic arithmatic, ect.

That's pure comedy! Maybe on some substandard 'masters' courses wherever you live, however none of those are common in mainstream M Ed, MATESOL and PGCE courses elsewhere. They usually require a very high level of candidate before even starting. Not to mention the rigorously assessed teaching practice.

Know it all limp wristed obnoxious liberals

Some bitter person's evidently having a bad hair day.
Harry
9 Sep 2014 #39
People who never attended college would never know that a teaching degree is the easiest degree there is to obtain,

What a load of utter rubbish.

basic reading, basic writing, basic arithmatic

Such a pity that you can't manage basic spelling.

their click

Are you seriously so retarded that you cannot even spell the word 'clique'?

People that can do it do it and people who can't do it teach it.

Those who can, teach. Those who can't, do. And those who can't do, complain about those who teach.

Johnny Reb:Know it all limp wristed obnoxious liberals

Some bitter person's evidently having a bad hair day.

Most probably he's sprained his wrist and is now missing his favourite hobby.
Roger5 1 | 1,455
9 Sep 2014 #40
a teaching degree is the easiest degree there is to obtain

Is there such a thing as a teaching degree? Perhaps in community colleges in impoverished parts of the USA, but in most countries teaching diplomas are earned after a first degree.

Now I are one

Hmm.

School teachers then get that little bit of authority over children and suddenly become geniuses lording over them.

I remember one of those types from school, but to tar every teacher with the same brush suggests either childhood trauma or total ignorance.

Know it all limp wristed obnoxious liberals

Is that your expert opinion?

People that can do it do it and people who can't do it teach it

Sounds like something GB Shaw once said. Which goes to show that very clever people (Shaw, obviously) can say very stupid things.
Johnny, if you have never been impressed by the skill of a good teacher, you have either been very unlucky in your academic career, or you are so dim that you wouldn't know a good teacher if you saw one. You have certainly said much about yourself in your last post.
johnny reb 31 | 6,461
9 Sep 2014 #41
Yup, as usual, you three circle your wagons.
I am laughing so hard as you guys to the bait hook line and sinker.
You proved my point to a "T".

Is there such a thing as a teaching degree?

And Jesus wept.

Perhaps in community colleges in impoverished parts of the USA,

And Jesus wept again. You can't get a teaching degree at a community college only a four year college or university.

but in most countries teaching diplomas are earned after a first degree

Only in third world countries.

They usually require a very high level of candidate before even starting.

Compared to what !

Not to mention the rigorously assessed teaching practice.

Must not be that rigorous if Curly, Mo, and LHarry passed.

What a load of utter rubbish.

Be honest here guys, how many classes have any of you ever taken in the following,
advanced algebra, advanced physical sciences, advanced chemistry, advanced psychology, trigonometry, discriptive geometry,
caculus to get your teaching certificate ? You know, the classes that take a brain. My bet is "NOTTA", any of you.
You guys give me gas the way you bully everyone with your bullock.
At least the truth be known now how a teaching certificate ain't squat to obtain.
Sorry to redden your faces all at once but someone had to do it.
jon357 69 | 18,445
9 Sep 2014 #42
I am laughing so hard as you guys to the bait hook line and sinker.You proved my point to a "T".

Excuse us if nobody believes that.

Only in third world countries.

In most of Europe.

Compared to what !

Compared to courses that don't

Must not be that rigorous if Curly, Mo, and LHarry passed.

Who?

Be honest here guys, how many classes have any of you ever taken in the following, advanced algebra, advanced physical sciences, advanced chemistry, advanced psychology, trigonometry, discriptive geometry,caculus to get your teaching certificate ?

Why would one study chemistry to teach languages? I wonder how you'd manage on a Linguistics course...

community college only a four year college or university.

Sounds American. Remind us about the literacy rates there.

At least the truth be known now how a teaching certificate ain't squat to obtain.

And that shows you really do know nothing.

Know it all limp wristed obnoxious liberals that stick within their click

As does that.
clarkie
9 Sep 2014 #43
Let's not forget this guy only teaches English from home, which makes me believe he is a classic "native speaker" with no qualifications apart from an online TEFl not worth the steam off my p1ss. Plus if you pay for an hour lesson you should be satdown and ready to go at eexactly that time, not opening the door and wasted 5 minutes of the students time getting prepared. but thanks bad teachers in Krakow mean more work for my school
Dougpol1 32 | 2,673
10 Sep 2014 #44
Let's not forget this guy only teaches English from home, which makes me believe he is a classic "native speaker" with no qualifications

Tut-tut - you mean, as opposed to a sucker who works for Profi- lingua and the like, has to deal with the DOS, and/or the "boss", and the bureaucracy, and the "training sessions", and the "syllabus", and the "regulations", and the travel, and the threat of the tin-tack on lateness, and the crap pay, and the tax, and the ZUS, and the observed classes by the "methodologist" - and the late pay, often three weeks after the end of the month, and the crap working conditions at the above stated "company" and the sullen admin, and..........

And yes, most of us do have a CELTA, including mysen - doesn't make us good teachers. It was the Soars who started that scam I believe; I prefer self training and listening to what Jim Scrivener et al have to say; should have done the DELTA but I am an old boy and now can't be bothered - if that's alright with you?
jon357 69 | 18,445
10 Sep 2014 #45
but thanks bad teachers in Krakow mean more work for my school

That's the way it goes, however for 'off the street' students the bottom line is usually money.

as opposed to a sucker who works for Profi- lingua and the like, has to deal with the DOS, and/or the "boss", and the bureaucracy, and the "training sessions", and the "syllabus", and the "regulations", and the travel, and the threat of the tin-tack on lateness, and the crap pay, and the tax, and the ZUS, and the observed classes by the "methodologist"

Indeed. What's with these so-called 'methodologists' that downmarket language schools use, anyway?

It was the Soars who started that scam I believe

Sort of. Now that couple have really made some dosh out of it all. Believe it or not their books are still used in some places.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,846
10 Sep 2014 #46
Is there such a thing as a teaching degree? Perhaps in community colleges in impoverished parts of the USA

have you not heard of the B. Ed? Please do not blacken the 'profession' any further by continuing to spout ill informed bollocks
Roger5 1 | 1,455
10 Sep 2014 #47
Yes, that didn't occur to me as I wasn't really thinking about primary school teaching. Anyway, sorry to have upset you so much. As you didn't object to anything that that renowned expert on all things Polish, Johnny, said I can only suppose that you agree with his insightful assessment of teachers.
Harry
10 Sep 2014 #48
have you not heard of the B. Ed?

Firstly you can't do a Bachelor's of Education in English (although I suppose you could do one as a specialist in English).
Secondly, you can't do a Bachelor's of Education without passing advanced level exams, so when the frustrated American teenager writes
"The courses required are all basic classes for a teaching degree. ie: basic reading, basic writing, basic arithmatic, ect.
There are no "advanced classes" like advanced algebra, advanced physical sciences, advanced chemistry, advanced psychology classes required for a teaching degree."
he clearly excludes the BEd from his "teaching degree".
johnny reb 31 | 6,461
11 Sep 2014 #49
The courses required are all basic classes for a teaching degree. ie: basic reading, basic writing, basic arithmatic, ect.
There are no "advanced classes" like advanced algebra, advanced physical sciences, advanced chemistry, advanced psychology classes required for a teaching degree.

Or computer science or hard courses.

"The courses required are all basic classes for a teaching degree. ie: basic reading, basic writing, basic arithmatic, ect.
he clearly excludes the BEd from his "teaching degree".

I have no idea what a BEd is so that is the reason I excluded it. Is this something you need to get a teaching degree on line ?

I guess different prerequisites required to teach in different countries.
Same with the requirements for a teaching degree, different from country to country.
I did find World rankings of Universities however and you will see that Duke ranks 30th.
webometrics.info/en/world
I couldn't find world University rankings for English teaching degrees however.
Szalawa 3 | 248
11 Sep 2014 #50
B.Ed is its own degree, although I am a B.Sc student, I feel like a B.Ed will be more useful then a B.A for teaching in elementary to high school level, but it depends on what you want to teach and what subjects you took. If you major in English, teach English lol (can the resident Englishmen tell us what else you can do with such a respected degree) same goes for other subjects. Now unless you resident English teachers are full time employed University professors (doubt you are) I don't see the point to brag about teaching English where English is a foreign language. You guys are mediocre at best, the scraps that could not make it back in U.K.
jon357 69 | 18,445
11 Sep 2014 #51
I have no idea what a BEd is

Yet that doesn't seem to stop you wittering on about teaching degrees. By the way, they exist in your country.

Is this something you need to get a teaching degree on line ?

Teaching degree online?? They (in Europe anyway) involve extensive assessed TP.

B.Sc.Ed too...

I did find World rankings of Universities however and you will see that Duke ranks 30th

So below both of mine then.

I feel like a B.Ed will be more useful then a B.A for teaching in elementary to high school level

This is a good idea - even if you don't want to teach especially, you will always have something to fall back on.

Now unless you resident English teachers are full time employed University professors (doubt you are)

At least one poster in this thread is, and some of us are in education and training management.

You guys are mediocre at best

Amusing to see someone pontificating about the world of work when they are a teenager.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,846
11 Sep 2014 #52
Szawala = I bet it was those 'scraps' that taught you English so whats your problem?
Harry
11 Sep 2014 #53
Is this something you need to get a teaching degree on line ?

In none of the countries where I have studied or taught is it possible to become a qualified teacher via an on-line course. Educational standards where you are may very well vary (or perhaps you know nothing about them too).

I did find World rankings of Universities however and you will see that Duke ranks 30th.

It certainly doesn't rank that highly for education: it's not in the top 150 for education; but the place I was paid to go to certainly is.
johnny reb 31 | 6,461
11 Sep 2014 #54
Yet that doesn't seem to stop you wittering on about teaching degrees. By the way, they exist in your country

The word is spelled writting Professor Perfect.
Exactly, you three stooges boast about your superiority because you hold a teaching certificate which is one of the easiest degrees
that there is to obtain. We have established that by the classes required to get one.
Now you wonder "why" you are not respected as teacher ?

I did find World rankings of Universities however and you will see that Duke ranks 30th.

So below both of mine then.

No, I did not see that as you are to embarrassed to tell us the two you supposedly attended.
Go check this again son and you will find yours on page 4 or 5. Mine was on the first page. webwebometrics.info/en/world
The reason I have no repect for you three stooges as teachers is because of your childish taunting.
(My dad can beat up your dad, my dog is bigger than your dog......)
Who cares, ya know, who cares, but don't try to lord over me with it.
It's nice you think so much of yourselves but I don't see it that way.
You guys think you are hot bullock on a silver platter but you are no more than cold turds on a paper plate. REALLY !
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,846
11 Sep 2014 #55
The word is spelled writting

what is spelled 'writting'? he said 'wittering'
and by the way I imagine most English teachers have a first degree in EG law, history, etc and have then done a teaching certificate or diploma.

so slagging off their university degrees is a bit of a non starter.
Harry
11 Sep 2014 #56
I feel like a B.Ed will be more useful then a B.A for teaching in elementary to high school level

Not least because a BA (unless its a BA QTS) does not give certification as a teacher.

Now unless you resident English teachers are full time employed University professors (doubt you are)

The only person posting in this thread who teaches English in Poland actually is just that. Personally I used to be a full-time teacher trainer (of students studying to be English and/or Russian teachers) at a Polish university but soon found that while the post offers vast amounts of job satisfaction, it is rather short on salary. On the long-term benefits side, my Mrs was one of my students.

Right, and if bull bullock was diamonds you would be rich. Give me a name little guy.

Duke: 151-200
topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2014/education-training#sorting=rank+region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=duke
Southamption: 101-150
topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2014/education-training#sorting=rank+region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=southampton

The word is spelled writting Professor Perfect.

Thanks for making it crystal clear how valuable your views on language teaching are.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,846
11 Sep 2014 #57
I have worked teaching English in several universities so ner ner ner
jon357 69 | 18,445
11 Sep 2014 #58
The word is spelled writting Professor Perfect.

"Writting"????

No. It's wittering on. As are you.

yours on page 4 or 5.

Again, no...
Szalawa 3 | 248
11 Sep 2014 #59
Not least because a BA (unless its a BA QTS) does not give certification as a teacher.

No, you must go to teachers college for two years.

I bet it was those 'scraps' that taught you English so whats your problem?

Yes it definitely was the scraps that taught me English and I can say they did a bad job, lol, they just blamed me for not progressing as fast instead of wondering why their teaching abilities were less then effective.

Amusing to see someone pontificating about the world of work when they are a teenager.

Some people have to work to eat instead of getting stoned throughout there college days Jon. As a part time teacher/tutor, I help children who are struggling because A holes like you guys overcharge and have no ability to teach (teaching certificate does not guarantee this).

You guys are mediocre at best, the scraps that could not make it back in U.K.

Since none of you denied this, we can safely assume this is true

I have worked teaching English in several universities so ner ner ner

Good for you, pat on the back, I would care more if you taught science...
jon357 69 | 18,445
11 Sep 2014 #60
As a part time teacher/tutor

You mean as an unqualified teenager.

because A holes like you guys overcharge and have no ability to teach

You assume so much but know so little.

But still manage to shoot your mouth off.

Keep to the topic and less of the personal insults, This thread was cleaned yesterday because of you, and your mate.


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