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trener zolwia 1 | 940
8 Sep 2010 #151
Then with your firsthand knowledge you prolly should have been the first to reply to the OP's questions. Before all the baseless fear mongering started...
Seanus 15 | 19,706
8 Sep 2010 #152
1 case doesn't change much. It's funny to laugh at the garbled nonsense anyway :)
convex 20 | 3,978
8 Sep 2010 #153
Then with your firsthand knowledge you prolly should have been the first to reply to the OP's questions. Before all the baseless fear mongering started...

What's baseless about having ****** screamed and a bottle thrown at you? Car stops, same comment... Are you seeing what you want to see?
trener zolwia 1 | 940
8 Sep 2010 #154
Are you seeing what you want to see?

Well, I don't live there. But what I am seeing is a general consensus here that he shouldn't have any problems.
And like Seanus just said...

1 case doesn't change much.

rudy - | 1
30 Oct 2010 #155
Merged thread:
Black People Living in Poland

I just read a request by Jamessmith a black american soldier who is considering moving to Poland with his Polish girlfriend for Poles to counsel him on the attitude of their countrymen towards blacks. I was stunned to read the response from someone called Epicurus, that sounded like something from a nazi training manual, the only difference was that it was aimed at black people not Jews.

I am Polish and very proud of our history, music, culture and achievements, so it saddens me to think that there exists such contempt and outright misunderstanding of blacks as expressed by Epicurus. His comments are so narrow and stereotyped that it is obvious he never knew any black people. At least he says that he is open to someone changing his mind, so Epicurus, if you are out there, I hope you read this.

As a white child I experienced racial hatred directed against this group and as a young adolescent I hated blacks too! I was dumb and very stupid. Fortunately, by the time I was in my twenties my feelings had changed. and today I feel just as comfortable amoung intelligent black people as I do amoung intelligent whites. So here are the facts. It is scientifically proven through genetic studies that the human race started in southern Africa. Our genes tell the history of humanity and we all have 99.999% the same genes. The origin of every human being on this planet is southern Africa. So I have taken it upon myself to refer to myself as an honorary black man.

Black people die from cancer, heart disease, stroke and any other ailment just like white people do. Blacks feel pain, hunger, joy, happiness, love, hate, fear and any other human emotioin just the way white people do. Life in America is not easy, and in poor districts of our cities blacks are the primary victims of violent crime by other blacks. But, violent crime is committed by violent whites also, so I do not see any difference.

My entire life I have worked amoung black people and I love them the way I love my family. If you do not believe this is possible then just read about black and white soldiers in the American army during the Viet Nam war. American army units were intergrated with blacks serving alongside whites, when the fighting became tough and when peoples lives were at stake, there was no black or white, everyone was equal, they had to be, otherwise they would not survive.

So, open your mind Epicurus, let all that hatred and ignorance flow away, and remember, the next time you see a black person, you are just like him.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
30 Oct 2010 #156
4,500 maybe 5,000 Polish citizens that are black, sure there are many more permanent or temporary residents.
Karl1983 7 | 40
31 Oct 2010 #157
I feel just as comfortable amoung intelligent black people

Same here but not the one's wearing hoodies and pushing you in the street and saying," Watch it!" Aggressive sh1tes!
poland_
31 Oct 2010 #158
I just read a request by Jamessmith a black american soldier who is considering moving to Poland with his Polish girlfriend for Poles to counsel him on the attitude of their countrymen towards blacks

I do not understand these types of threads, why should someone who wishes to move to PL be requesting special treatment, he married a Polish women and it is his responsibility to understand her culture. If he has decided to move to PL, it must be because they consider the move to be the best option for their future. So why the special treatment,it is PL 2010, not 1995.
convex 20 | 3,978
31 Oct 2010 #159
be requesting special treatment

Where was he asking for special treatment? Isn't the act of asking for advice fulfilling that whole responsibility to understand the culture bit?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
31 Oct 2010 #160
If he has decided to move to PL, it must be because they consider the move to be the best option for their future.

Or she's simply told him "Poland or nothing".
poland_
31 Oct 2010 #161
Isn't the act of asking for advice fulfilling that whole responsibility to understand the culture bit?

If someone needs to seek advice on a forum when they are married to a Polish national, I would question the intentions of his posts. I find it bizarre that so many people, go on about blacks not being accepted in PL, it is so much better than 10 or 15 years ago. 20 years ago in the UK,if a black woman/man and white woman/man, where walking down the street, hand in hand, it would turn heads.Today nobody cares, it will be the same in PL in 15-20 years. Things take time and you can't force change, its a natural progression, as more Poles work over seas and travel,it opens their minds.
convex 20 | 3,978
31 Oct 2010 #162
If someone needs to seek advice on a forum when they are married to a Polish national, I would question the intentions of his posts.

Dunno, you are still criticizing him for trying to gather diverse opinions. Here it's anonymous, and people can say what they mean. You won't necessarily get the same answer face to face...

it is so much better than 10 or 15 years ago.

That may be true, but I don't think people moving are are interested so much in how far a nation has come, but rather where they are.

20 years ago in the UK,if a black woman/man and white woman/man, where walking down the street, hand in hand, it would turn heads.Today nobody cares, it will be the same in PL in 15-20 years.

The only difference is the number of black people that are in the UK vs Poland. Here you still have a novelty factor, and I don't think that'll change any time soon.

as more Poles work over seas and travel,it opens their minds.

Or seals them up tight. See forum posts for more details :(
poland_
31 Oct 2010 #163
Dunno, you are still criticizing him for trying to gather diverse opinions.

My intention is not to criticize him, you would have expected him to value, the experience of his partner, unless he is looking for ammunition, not to make the move.

You won't necessarily get the same answer face to face...

You have got to ask the right people and that is not this forum, it is the African/Black community n PL.

The only difference is the number of black people that are in the UK vs Poland. Here you still have a novelty factor

Percentage wise, there has been a greater increase in PL over the last 10 years than many other countries, PL didn't colonize countries were the indigenous population were black, so its a difficult one to compare PL/UK figures, because of history. It would be like saying PL has more Ukrainian workers/illegals than the UK.

Novelty factor, maybe in the small towns, not in the cities anymore.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
31 Oct 2010 #164
Things take time and you can't force change,

Lax immigration laws force change, its not like the indiginous Brits had a choice.

20 years ago in the UK,if a black woman/man and white woman/man, where walking down the street, hand in hand, it would turn heads

No it didnt, there are plenty of mixed raced kids in there 20s...maybe had you said 50 years ago..I might have agreed.

If someone needs to seek advice on a forum when they are married to a Polish national, I would question the intentions of his posts.

Maybe he's looking for opinions other than that of his wife and her family.
poland_
31 Oct 2010 #165
No it didnt, there are plenty of mixed raced kids in there 20s...maybe had you said 50 years ago..I might have agreed.

50 years ago that would have been 1960, can't go with that one.It was nearer the late 1970's,early 1980's that you started to see more mixed race couples. Outside of the main UK cities it was later.

Lax immigration laws force change

That and the need to rebuild your country.

Maybe he's looking for opinions other than that of his wife and her family.

Then the place to get firsthand knowledge would be the African/Black community in PL.
zetigrek
31 Oct 2010 #166
someone called Epicurus

who's Epericus? And why do you listen to him???
jarnowa 4 | 499
31 Oct 2010 #167
Then the place to get firsthand knowledge would be the African/Black community in PL.

Of which 90% is male, having no ties to Poland whatsoever, only coming to study in Poland for the purpose of dating white females and marrying one to get a permanent visa.

Let's not ignore this fact. No black couples, families, elderly people or single women come to Poland, we're talking about a group of merely male blacks.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
31 Oct 2010 #168
Of which 90% is male, having no ties to Poland whatsoever, only coming to study in Poland for the purpose of dating white females and marrying one to get a permanent visa.

It's not just blacks, but non-EU citizens as a whole.
espana 17 | 910
31 Oct 2010 #169
Will my race be an issue in day to day living?

may be yes , may be not . good luck changing your life.
jarnowa 4 | 499
31 Oct 2010 #170
It's not just blacks, but non-EU citizens as a whole.

yes that's true.

my point is: in every thread about blacks coming to Poland, people are always getting sentimental "they are humans just like you and me".

It's not about blacks being the same as whites or not, it's about them coming to Poland.

If Poland would be flooded by jobseekers from Belarus or Slovakia and these people wouldn't get a warm welcome by Polish workers, would it make sense to get sentimental and to say "Belarussians are humans like you and me"? To me it makes more sense to focus on why they are coming, the effects on Polish society and whether they should be welcomed or not.

But when it's about blacks, we're supposed to focus on how human they are instead of analyzing the effects of their immigration?
jonni 16 | 2,485
31 Oct 2010 #171
people are always getting sentimental "they are humans just like you and me".

That's sentimental?

It's not about blacks being the same as whites or not, it's about them coming to Poland.

And? We're one world. You came to Poland as a foreigner yourself.

If Poland would be flooded by jobseekers from Belarus or Slovakia and these people wouldn't get a warm welcome by Polish workers, would it make sense to get sentimental and to say "Belarussians are humans like you and me"?

You keep saying "sentimental" which is either missing the point or is perhaps something deeper, more evil, as if we should ignore sentiment. There are plenty of "jobseekers" from Belarus in Poland - always have been, and Slovakians have an absolute right to settle there.

But when it's about blacks, we're supposed to focus on how human they are instead of analyzing the effects of their immigration?

Yes.

Of which 90% is male, having no ties to Poland whatsoever, only coming to study in Poland for the purpose of dating white females

You are so, so, so transparent. Remind us, why did you come to Wroclaw, Poland from your home country, are you at least "90% male" and what are your "ties to Poland"?
poland_
31 Oct 2010 #172
But when it's about blacks, we're supposed to focus on how human they are instead of analyzing the effects of their immigration?

The blacks I have met in Poland

Diplomats
Workers for embassies
Soldiers { mainly American)
Footballers
Students

The new wave are British blacks in relationships with Polish men/women, who are coming to PL to pursue a better life. Many are trying to get into the music scene artists,DJ's, dancers.
jonni 16 | 2,485
31 Oct 2010 #173
Of the few black people I know of in Poland, I can only think of:
A lady who was the widow of a Polish man living in Africa
A therapist from Cuba, who has lived here for many years
A student from the USA who is fixing residence and owns a home here
A dancer who is from the USA who has been here for a long time
A lady from South Africa who is half Polish
A scientist from West Africa, who came here with his work at a multinational
A student who is from the USA and is half Polish
A professional from the UK working in education and here for a long time
A teacher (EFL) from South Africa who came here to be with his wife
A doctor who is from Palestine and has been here for a long time

Of that list, all but three are or were married (only three of them to local wives), most have kids, and the unmarried three are gay.

None of them coming to "steal" Jarnowa's women.
poland_
31 Oct 2010 #174
Jarnowa's women.

Jonni, we should direct Jarnowa, to the Harenda club on Fridays. I don't think he will be so vocal.
jarnowa 4 | 499
1 Nov 2010 #175
jarnowa:
people are always getting sentimental "they are humans just like you and me".

That's sentimental?

yes, it's not relevant that they have feelings too. as if this entitles them to be welcomed.
as if they care about the feelings of white men when on the hunt for white women.

jarnowa:
It's not about blacks being the same as whites or not, it's about them coming to Poland.

And? We're one world. You came to Poland as a foreigner yourself.

i am European, EU citizen, paid a lot of tax to help Poland, my country is host to many Poles.
it's an insult to compare me to some Nigerian chick/visahunting student who hasn't contributed anything to Europe, yet is here to scrupoulessly harvest the best fruit that Europe has to offer.

There are plenty of "jobseekers" from Belarus in Poland - always have been, and Slovakians have an absolute right to settle there.

You don't seem to understand. The point is: why is it ok to complain and to question the immigration of people from other European countries, but when we're talking about African immigrants we shouldn't ask critical questions?

Of which 90% is male, having no ties to Poland whatsoever, only coming to study in Poland for the purpose of dating white females

You are so, so, so transparent. Remind us, why did you come to Wroclaw, Poland from your home country, are you at least "90% male" and what are your "ties to Poland"?

I came with my Polish ex-girlfriend whom i met outside of Poland. I lived with her in Poland and made some Polish friends so yes, i do have some Polish ties. I didn't come to Poland for ************ or to get a visa.

PS: i'm glad that you share my observations about black immigration.
jonni 16 | 2,485
1 Nov 2010 #176
i am European, EU citizen, paid a lot of tax to help Poland, my country is host to many Poles.
it's an insult to compare me to some Nigerian chick/visahunting student who hasn't contributed anything to Europe, yet is here to scrupoulessly harvest the best fruit that Europe has to offer.

No. You are both immigrants.

white men when on the hunt for white women.

On the hunt? Do you seriously believe that? You seem to have a low opinion of women, as well as thinking that someone's colour is relevant to who they may or may not date. :-)))

PS: i'm glad that you share my observations about black immigration.

I don't. The colour of someone's skin does not determine where they should or should not be or with whom they associate.
grubas 12 | 1,391
1 Nov 2010 #177
No. You are both immigrants.

Yes they are but Jarnowa is a desired one and you should not compare him with some EU passport hunters.What's wrong with you?This Jarnowa guy is as much pro-Polish as one can be and we need more immigrants like him in PL.
jonni 16 | 2,485
1 Nov 2010 #178
Jarnowa is a desired one

Evidently not desired by all the women who flee from him into the arms of the nearest African guy.

we need more immigrants like him in PL.

Are you mad?
grubas 12 | 1,391
1 Nov 2010 #179
You know what I meant

Are you mad?

No,not at all.
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240
1 Nov 2010 #180
in every thread about blacks coming to Poland

there is at least 5 comments from jarnowa who's jealous they are getting laid and he isn't. are polish girls sleeping with black guys out of sentiment too? lol. i can't believe you're still trolling on this forum, you could use the time you post here on getting a date. try internet dating or chatrooms and leave this forum alone you useless spammer!

Yes they are but Jarnowa is a desired one

looks like grubas is another poor guy who can't get laid and blames it on immigration. you boys should start a club.


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