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Do Poles feel America is going down the drain?


pgtx 29 | 3,145
22 Apr 2010 #91
So, you're just assuming they're old…

i've met many, and they were...let's say in their 60s...

You don't believe that some retired police officer at 65 could do the job?

protecting all the houses in the gated neighborhood? well, lets just say that he wouldn't be efficient... and, sorry, but no young men wants this job anyway...

and don't tell me he walks around (or drives) your block to check if all is alright... they sit in their little booth, eat sandwiches with hot tea and watch tv... but you don't know it because you're at work... :)
convex 20 | 3,928
22 Apr 2010 #92
So, you're just assuming they're old… For argument's sake let’s say he/she is old, why would you think it would matter? You don't believe that some retired police officer at 65 could do the job?

An old Czech lady shot an intruder not too long ago...Great piece of advertising for ceska zbrojovka
Havok 10 | 903
22 Apr 2010 #93
they sit in their little booth, eat sandwiches with hot tea and watch tv

You've noticed them and other people notice it too. As long their guns are loaded and they can pull the trigger when needed I’m cool with them eating sandwiches in their little booth.

Great piece of advertising for ceska zbrojovka

lol
f stop 25 | 2,503
23 Apr 2010 #95
Have to be able to afford it first.

It's more about the freedoms you give up for this promised security. For example, in most of these gated communities here you can't even plant a fruit tree in your (supposedly) yard. No pickup trucks or vans allowed in your driveway. You have two colors you can paint your house - white or light beige. Essentially, your house has to look like all the other houses in the neighbourhood.

Here is my favorite Ben Franklin quote:
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Havok 10 | 903
23 Apr 2010 #96
Essentially, your house has to look like all the other houses in the neighbourhood.
Here is my favorite Ben Franklin quote:

I keep my house nice and clean because I choose to do it and not because I decided to give up my liberty.lol (are you serious?) I prefer neighbors who do the same, that’s all.

I can sell my house in this neighborhood in less than a month. Try to sell yours ...
f stop 25 | 2,503
23 Apr 2010 #97
I can sell my house in this neighborhood in less than a month.

Great! You'll probably will be looking for something without the Homeowners Association next.
;) I won't tell.
Havok 10 | 903
23 Apr 2010 #98
Everyone wants to live in a nice quiet neighborhood but no one feels like maintaining it.
Think of the homeowners association as of a personal trainer helping your fat-lazy-happy American as$ to get in shape.

Some my call this an infringement on personal liberty, others, a pain in the as$, myself I hire landscapers, housemaids, and my wife and I just enjoy our lives. I could not ask for more.
f stop 25 | 2,503
23 Apr 2010 #99
Think of the homeowners association as of a personal trainer helping your fat-lazy-happy American as$ to get in shape.

Oh, c'mon, paying the landscaper gets your a$$ in shape??
If you're fortunate enough to actually own a piece of earth, you owe it more than to turn it into a fertilized/pesticided/overwatered suburban piece of rubberstamp wastelawn. But then, you don't really own it, since you don't get to make any decisions about what's done to it.
Havok 10 | 903
23 Apr 2010 #100
since you don't get to make any decisions about what's done to it.

My wife likes to mess with flowers in the front yard sometimes, I guess she finds it entertaining.

You don't have to be fortunate to own land in Texas. It's dirt cheap… I'm no farmer, you know, I have a degree in computer science.

What i suposed to do, grow potatos in my back? buy a goat? Think of it as a life choice.
guzzler 1 | 88
23 Apr 2010 #101
and don't tell me he walks around (or drives) your block to check if all is alright... they sit in their little booth, eat sandwiches with hot tea and watch tv... but you don't know it because you're at work... :)

I lived in a gated community in "Porto Santa Maria Spain" in 1979, the guards were all armed and in their thirties. They also had guard dogs, and checkpoints were they punched a card when they patrolled. The areas were all landscaped and kept beautiful by full time gardeners, All the houses were serviced by a team of cleaners. The houses were also alarmed and connected to the guard house. The best part about it, it cost me nothing the tab was picked by Marathon Oil.
f stop 25 | 2,503
23 Apr 2010 #102
What i suposed to do, grow potatos in my back? buy a goat?

No, little less chemicals for the sake of nice lawn color seeping into the water supply would be a nice start...
The only reason I'm still going on with this is because the homeowners associations are one of the major culprits in keeping up this stupid (and harmful) idea of what the home and lawn should look like, keeping them alive with fear of decreasing property values.

I have a degree in engineering and I still find the time to invastigate what native plants should and will grow in my area, how to create a healthy ecosystem that does not use unnecessary resources or harms the environment.

That is virtually impossible in most of current gated communities. They have to cater to the lowest denominator, who believe nice green lawn, at all cost, is a status symbol.
sadieann 2 | 205
23 Apr 2010 #103
how to create a healthy ecosystem that does not use unnecessary resources or harms the environment.

My home is 'Green'. I use no pesticides, chemicals and my yard is stellar green. It's actually easy and takes the same amount of time.
Havok 10 | 903
23 Apr 2010 #104
No, little less chemicals for the sake of nice lawn color seeping into the water supply would be a nice start...

the major culprits in keeping up this stupid (and harmful) idea

who believe nice green lawn, at all cost

I gotcha, infringement on peoples' rights, not cultivating the land, not eco-friendly and you suck Havok..

Ok, you convinced me, I'm moving out and joining your crusade against anyone who ever decides to live in a gated community.

All I’m saying is that I don't feel like dealing with the landscape around my house or talking to my neighbors about their junk in the front yard when I need to sell my house. I like living there and I pay people to take care of this shi* for me.
f stop 25 | 2,503
23 Apr 2010 #105
LOL Havoc.
I just could not help using this as a nice seque into what I think is taking America "down the drain".
Havok 10 | 903
23 Apr 2010 #106
what I think is taking America "down the drain".

Wait, are you saying that paying landscapers to do my lawn caused the recession?

Crap.. I'm sorry everyone.
anton888 - | 82
23 Apr 2010 #107
you know i'm talking about a gated community fee

Yes, is getting more and more in Warsaw/Poland. No armed guard though, so should be even cheaper....
Havok 10 | 903
23 Apr 2010 #108
so should be even cheaper....

I would definitely agree. Why is Warsaw so expensive bud?
f stop 25 | 2,503
23 Apr 2010 #109
Wait, are you saying that paying landscapers to do my lawn caused the recession?

lol - try a much bigger picture.
Havok 10 | 903
23 Apr 2010 #110
This is exactly my point too.

What happened to the economy is a way bigger problem than me or you.

I'm a productive member of this society. I pay taxes, I don’t steal, educate myself about candidates I vote for.

I served in the military, I help out less fortunate people when I can, I keep my house energy efficient, drive a smart car in an f-ing Texas, recycle (even though I don't think it's efficient). What else do you want form me? Move out of my house because you’re jealous?

I’ve met people like you. They’re called Jehovah’s Witness. Go door to door,,, and than try to ram their opinions or ideas down your throat for no apparent reason.

Blah blah blah, F stop you should join them, you would fit in.
Seanus 15 | 19,672
23 Apr 2010 #111
Where is the resident 'expert', grubas? I'm sure he's gonna tell us all about it and a little more :)
f stop 25 | 2,503
23 Apr 2010 #112
Move out of my house because you’re jealous?

I’ve met people like you. They’re called Jehovah’s Witness. Go door to door,,, and than try to ram their opinions or ideas down your throat for no apparent reason.

Blah blah blah, F stop you should join them, you would fit in.

whoa... whoa... aren't you assuming a bit much? Trust me, you never met anyone like me, but that's besides the point. You think gated communities are great, I think they're not. People who get so mad at different opinions usually don't enjoy life as much as they claim they do. And when they resort to personal attacks, it's a sure sign they don't believe their arguments can stand on their own merits.
Havok 10 | 903
23 Apr 2010 #113
I'm sure he's gonna tell us all about it and a little more

That guy is very rude.
Seanus 15 | 19,672
23 Apr 2010 #114
He sure is. Hotshot businessmen can be that way :(
Havok 10 | 903
23 Apr 2010 #115
People who get so mad at different opinions usually don't enjoy life as much as they claim they do

You're overanalyzing me... I get mad because it feels like you're blaming me for all that is wrong with the U.S tooday.

Please, keep to the topic.
f stop 25 | 2,503
23 Apr 2010 #116
it feels like you're blaming me for all that is wrong

I am!
[JK]
Havok 10 | 903
23 Apr 2010 #117
Hotshot businessmen can be that way :(

I seriously doubt he's a hot shot businessman. Most likely he’s a semi-successful person, happy to have a full time job, just like us.

Please, keep to the topic.

I do, people feel that Polish yuppies are responsible for America going down the drain.

Read between the lines Mr. moderator.
Seanus 15 | 19,672
23 Apr 2010 #118
Well, he praised America for giving him a chance so I'm happy about that!
grubas 12 | 1,384
23 Apr 2010 #119
No pickup trucks or vans allowed in your driveway.

You mean commercial registered vehicles f stop ,do you?You can keep van or truck in your driveway.America keeps surprising me though,I just learned that I can get myself semi-automatic rifle without any permits.

Where is the resident 'expert', grubas?

Here, here!!!
f stop 25 | 2,503
23 Apr 2010 #120
You mean commercial registered vehicles f stop ,do you?

No, and that is the surprising part. Private pickup trucks not allowed in the driveway. Must be hidden in the garage.


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