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American Marrying Polish woman - visa question


coppermouse 16 | 62
6 Jan 2011 #1
I am planning to marry a girl I know from near Lodz.
We are planning like this. She will try to get tourist visa and come here. I know maybe it is not possible if not I can get fiancee visa. What are statistics for tourist visa awarded . But when she comes here we will get a civil wedding, what documents will we need. Do hers need translated and if so by sworn translator? After this will she get spouse visa or how it works? Then we will file application for green card etc.. What will she need to work and get drivers license, what is the path? How long does each step take? She will go to Poland finish her job (she need 1 month notice) and take care of other details and I will go there for Church wedding. What documents will I need, she said something like permission for marriage, what is this?

Will she need medical exam etc.. Any help would be appreciated. I have been to Poland many times, it is beautiful, We spent Christmas in Karpacz, it was amazing. Thanks in advance.
henryson - | 17
6 Jan 2011 #2
Consult with an immigration lawyer.
Marek11111 9 | 816
6 Jan 2011 #3
when I merry a polish wife I apply for visa in emigration office and it took about a year, then the marriage lasted about 7 years as i could not take it anymore she was like a hitler.

but anyway it is you future fail marriage good luck.
lostpolishgurl 2 | 16
6 Jan 2011 #4
i am lucky i did not have to marry anyone to get my papers i was adopted sooo i want to help people out get here to america
ShortHairThug - | 1,103
6 Jan 2011 #5
She will try to get tourist visa and come here.

Let's see, a young single lady with no real career or financial obligation that would guarantee her return trip in the eyes of some bureaucrat and visiting her boyfriend? Virtually - none, virtually because the bureaucrat is human and might make the mistake after all.

if not I can get fiancee visa.

What makes you think that a second attempt will make it a success? Once denied you're giving them more of a reason to deny it once again, fiancee=marriage guaranteeing her extended stay.

What are statistics for tourist visa awarded .

Your chances of winning the lottery are more favourable. Start playing.

Tell me, are you a gambling man or are you just trying to deliberately sabotage your own future? If that's your intention that is.
Wroclaw Boy
6 Jan 2011 #6
My wife Polish has a B1 visa issued from the US Embassy in London with no problems at all.

Applying from Poland and not having a good reason to visit will diminish her chances greatly.

What you really need to do is gather the official information. A good start would be the immigration section of the US Governments website.
ShortHairThug - | 1,103
6 Jan 2011 #7
My wife Polish has a B1 visa issued from the US Embassy in London with no problems at all.

That's just it, wife=obligations and strong family ties.

Applying from Poland and not having a good reason to visit will diminish her chances greatly.

Exactly my point, he should let his intentions be known, apply for fiancee-visa from the get go, perhaps the review will be more thorough but her chances would greatly increase.
urszula 1 | 253
6 Jan 2011 #8
Don't try for the tourist visa because you will spend the money and most likely be denied and if she does get a tourist visa and comes here and you marry her, it is a fraud. After you marry her you will be questioned by the US embassy to see if your marriage is pro bono and ask you personal questions in seperate rooms. This is illegal, marrying on a tourist visa, but people still do it but I wouldn't recommend it.

You should apply for the fiancee visa, which she will get and it usually takes 4-6 months. She will need a medical checkup done in Poland and since this is in a sense an immigration visa everything will be done legally and you can marry her here in the states. You have 90 days to do so after her arrival. The documents have to be translated into english by a sworn translator. After marriage you can apply for a conditional green card valid for 2 years, after which you change the status.

For a marriage to take place, you need her birth certificate and proof that she is here legally, like the fiance visa, which has an expiration date.

Do things legally, then you won't have problems later on.
After you marry her, apply for a social security card for her and she can then work.
In order to marry in Poland, it will more difficult. You might need permission to marry from the Polish gov and the wait to marry is long.
guesswho 4 | 1,289
6 Jan 2011 #9
We are planning like this. She will try to get tourist visa and come here. I know maybe it is not possible if not I can get fiancee visa.

Where are you from?
It sounds like another mickey mouse thread.
OP coppermouse 16 | 62
6 Jan 2011 #10
Actually she has good career and obligations and a flat etc.. but I did not realize this is fraud to do it this way. Iwill tell her. This is not Mickey mouse thread, it is legitimate. I live in Columbus Ohio.
henryson - | 17
6 Jan 2011 #11
Your chances of winning the lottery are more favourable.

I disagree. I have relatives and friends from Poland visiting me in US quite frequently. Some of them young and single.
The chances of her getting a visitor's visa are about 50/50. Assuming she has a job and some possessions in Poland in her own name.

But when she comes here we will get a civil wedding, what documents will we need. Do hers need translated and if so by sworn translator?

You need to contact a city hall to find out. Most likely a birth certificate (translated) and a document verifying her single status. But, there is always Las Vegas!!!

What will she need to work and get drivers license, what is the path? How long does each step take?

She will need a Social Security of course. Keep in mind she will not be able to work legally until she is a permanent resident.

If she is successful getting a visa, do not take a chance sending her back until she is a US resident! She may have to remain in Poland until she is awarded a green card. If you a serious about this relationship, do ask an attorney to take you step by step.
OP coppermouse 16 | 62
6 Jan 2011 #12
Let's see, a young single lady with no real career or financial obligation that would guarantee her return trip in the eyes of some bureaucrat and visiting her boyfriend? Virtually - none, virtually because the bureaucrat is human and might make the mistake after all.

Why do you make assumptions you do not know, it makes you appear to be not very clever.

So can we do like this, try for tourist visa so she can come here and visit me then apply for fiancee visa and get married in correct way?

Does denial of tourist visa = problem in obtaining fiancee visa?
Is it rally illegal - fraud to marry on tourist visa?
What if I go there and marry, how would situation be?
ShortHairThug - | 1,103
6 Jan 2011 #13
Why do you make assumptions you do not know

Unfortunately it's not an assumption, it's reality! Besides at your second attempt to obtain visa as a fiancee it will make it that much more suspicious and raise a red flag in the eye of an official, why not be just honest about your intentions from the start? You should ignore my sarcasm but my advice is genuine, believe me there's nothing funny on how bureaucracy works or how the visas are issued.
OP coppermouse 16 | 62
6 Jan 2011 #14
OK I only meant that she does have good job with contract and possessions and a flat etc...

I understand now. We were thinking of tourist visa to see where I live and spend time together and meet my family more quickly. I was not aware marriage on tourist visa is a problem and the other things, it is all new to me. So I will talk to her about the tourist visa situation, thanks for advice. So if tourist visa is bad idea maybe we abandon it.
henryson - | 17
6 Jan 2011 #15
urszula

After you marry her you will be questioned by the US embassy to see if your marriage is pro bono and ask you personal questions in seperate rooms. This is illegal, marrying on a tourist visa, but people still do it but I wouldn't recommend it.

Here we go. Another "solid" legal advice above!
Can you quote the statute which states that marrying someone with undocumented status or visitor's visa is a crime? It would only be illegal if done for a sole purpose of obtaining a green card or citizenship, without the intend to remain married.
Harry
6 Jan 2011 #16
Why do you make assumptions you do not know, it makes you appear to be not very clever.

Because he really is not very clever.

Unfortunately it's not an assumption, it's reality!

The reality is that if she has a decent job and a flat and so her chances are a lot better than 50/50. The reality is that you should learn a little before mouthing off about things.

So can we do like this, try for tourist visa so she can come here and visit me then apply for fiancee visa and get married in correct way?

That is by far the best way of doing things. Apart from anything else, her having a visa (assuming that they give her the ten-year multiple entry visa) and then applying for the fiancee visa will show immigration that she does want to do things properly (and thus hopefully make them view her more favourably).
ShortHairThug - | 1,103
6 Jan 2011 #17
OK I only meant that she does have good job with contract and possessions and a flat etc...

Well then, I concede my misunderstanding and confusion on my part, I thought you are all set and want to get married but if you want her to come to US, see for herself, meet the family and then make that final step than I think you're both on a right track with tourist visa. Given that she can provide proof of having strong roots in her native country, having a career and property than yes you chances are that much better. It's still a crap-shoot if you ask me. I've seen visa being refused to a grandma that wanted nothing more than to visit her grandchildren living in US, owning property and already retired from her job etc. and still denied, so I'm convinced that when it comes right down to it the decision is still up to the mood any given official is in at that moment and the mandatory quota for any given country not in the visa waver program, a limited number of visas that can be issued for any given year set by the state department, anyway good luck to you both.
OP coppermouse 16 | 62
6 Jan 2011 #18
Should she tell them her intent to see where we will live and intends to return to Poland before we marry. Or is it better to say it is only tourist visit.

Most important are questions of what problem would be if we marry here and also will denial of tourist visa affect getting fiancee visa. I appreciate all help.
Harry
6 Jan 2011 #19
Why not say that you're planning to marry and she wants to see where you might live if not Poland?
OP coppermouse 16 | 62
6 Jan 2011 #20
That is what I am thinking, but I get so much different advice it is confusing.
Will they grant multiple entry on first application?

I agree the visa situation here in USA is very stupid

My intention was like this, she will come here for 3 weeks on tourist visa and see how she likes it, and meet my family. We are certain to marry. I was planning we could marry here on tourist visa if she likes and start all paperwork, then she would return and take care of the things she needs (she must give one month notice for work) and find a smaller flat for her mother only etc.. And then I could go there for church wedding for her family. I never intended her to stay permanent on tourist visa. Is this reasonable idea?
ChrisPoland 2 | 123
7 Jan 2011 #21
I got married a long time ago, but I remember specifically being told in the US that getting married on a tourist visa would cause my husband problems with immigration. I don't know if they meant officially or if they would just give us a hard time. In the end, we got married in Poland.

I got all my information (regarding US wedding) from the US government. I used the web page and when I had a question, I called the hotline. The regulations are not always easy to understand but access to them is not a problem. For getting married in Poland, we got the info we needed from both the US Embassy and Polish local government. It took us almost 6 months to the day from applying to get married to actually getting married. It involves a court date and a home visit by the police - that means that the American future-spouse has to reside in Poland during this time.

Our very good friends were able to obtain a fiance visa even after the future bride was sent back to Poland from the airport in the US under the suspicion that she was planning to work. I think she was trying for her third 6-month stay under a tourist visa with no known income. They still received a fiance visa within the next year, but she did have a lot of problems with red tape.

On a side note, in order to receive a fiance visa and later a residence visa you need to prove as a couple (or with extended family) that you are able to financially support yourselves. FYI your idea of supporting yourselves and the govt's idea can differ dramatically.

Good luck!

PS I think the reason many people think there is something wrong with your situation is because you refer to your fiance as a lady you know.
OP coppermouse 16 | 62
7 Jan 2011 #22
Sorry it is my Fiancee, I say it wrong, I visit her many times in Poland and we know each other 1 year. We love each other very much and waiting is difficult.

I have very good job and income so that will not be a problem. Thanks for you advice. We will see what happens, I cannot leave my job long enough to reside in Poland unless it is short time like for a holiday.

Merged thread:
American marrying Polish

I will be marring my fiancee from Poland. I think first we will have civil wedding in US then church wedding in Poland
What should I expect. I know I will need some documents. Where do I get document of permission to marry? Does it need translated (sworn). What other requirements and documents will I need. And what will she need for civil wedding here?

Thanks
shewolf 5 | 1,077
10 Jan 2011 #23
I was planning we could marry here on tourist visa if she likes and start all paperwork, then she would return and take care of the things she needs

Based on what I've heard, she should not go back to Poland after marrying you in the U.S. or she might not be able to come back. She should apply for Permanent Residence as soon as you get married in the U.S. and then she'll be allowed to stay as long as her case is in the process.

If she's not ready to stay in the U.S. you should wait to get married until she's ready.
A J 4 | 1,088
10 Jan 2011 #24
i am lucky i did not have to marry anyone to get my papers i was adopted sooo i want to help people out get here to america

You do? Need a toy boy?

:)
resident Grubas
10 Jan 2011 #25
and ask you personal questions in seperate rooms.

Not necesarilly.

This is illegal, marrying on a tourist visa,

Lie.Post a link to USCIS page saying it is against the law.

The documents have to be translated into english by a sworn translator.

Lie.I translated it myself.

For a marriage to take place, you need her birth certificate and proof that she is here legally, like the fiance visa, which has an expiration date.

A fuking lie.You need a marriage licence and you DO NOT have to prove your legal status.

You might need permission to marry from the Polish gov and the wait to marry is long.

A permission to marry from Polish gov?Stop misinfoming people urszula, just shut the fuk up,for everybody's sake.
Coppermause the whole process is not as complicated as it may look like.A word of advice:DO NOT hire an attorney.Anybody with at least 2 brain cells can get it done by himself,it will save you at least 2 G's.
poland_
10 Jan 2011 #26
Actually she has good career and obligations and a flat etc.. but I did not realize this is fraud to do it this way. Iwill tell her. This is not Mickey mouse thread, it is legitimate. I live in Columbus Ohio.

It she wants her big white wedding in Poland it is also possible to get married in church ( under the eyes of God) without the civil bit which could be done in the USA at a later date.
resident Grubas
10 Jan 2011 #27
Right on brother.
poland_
11 Jan 2011 #28
Sorry it is my Fiancee, I say it wrong, I visit her many times in Poland and we know each other 1 year. We love each other very much and waiting is difficult.

You are from India or...
OP coppermouse 16 | 62
12 Jan 2011 #29
I am born in and from USA, white not Indian, We are just looking for best way for our future.
Also when she want to work here, will her 5 year degree in microbiology will it be useful in US (ie will it transfer for new job). We were thinking marry here on first visit then she returns to complete her job and sell flat etc.. I file I-310 for CR-1 and wait it out for 9 months or so. Then go to Poland for church wedding (for her and family) after approval then return to US, is this a sound plan?
klakak 4 | 32
12 Jan 2011 #30
A tourist visa is easy enough to get.
I am in the same situation as you. My fiance visited me this last summer. She got her tourist visa very easily on the first attempt. She is 20 years old.

Now as far as marrying on a tourist visa, you can legally do it, but she will have to return to Poland before her tourist visa expires, and then you will have to apply for a spouse visa.

She cannot stay in the US to receive a spouse visa while being on a tourists visa, even if you get married, because a tourist visa is just that, for visiting and then going back to their home country.

So you might as well just get the fiance visa to save time and money.


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