Ireland and Poland - ways of struggling for independence

they self-identify as muslims but many others don't accept them as such (kind of like mormons and christianity or ahmadis and islam in pakistan)

my point was that islam sometimes appeals to or helps (at least temporarily) those who need strict guidelines in order to function...

my prediction is that this won't last for her and in a few years she'll move onto something else...

I am just curious how Islam deal with female martyrs. Do they also receives 40 virgins after they died?


Yes, its maybe part of some twisted mental therapy.

WELL DONE IRELAND!

wsj.com/articles/ireland-set-to-overturn-constitutional-ban-on-blasphemy-1540626649

Ironic that this comes so close to the absolutely shameful decision by the European court of human rights in Brussels!

Long live Ireland! Long live freedom of speech!

There was a low turnout for the vote. Only 43% of the electorate so it's obviously something people aren't that bothered about. The vote is really just formalizing the existing reality which is that nobody has been prosecuted for blashphemy since 1855!! Of course it was also the Presidential election so people weren't too bothered about that either obviously! Just to clarify for those who don't know, our President has no political role, it's just a diplomatic corps post really. And I'm happy to say that lovely little old Michael Higgins has been re-elected :)

@Atch
And then you have the United States Jerk (biden) who thinks Irelands politics are a big joke.
Foreigners are so clueless how delicate Irelands politics are nor how deep the feelings go.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/irish-politics-is-no-joke-biden-becomes-divisive-in-n-ireland-amid-post-brexit-talks/ar-AAMhyRE?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

What made the Irish so soft? (especially for Atch...)

"We have become the most subservient lickspittles on the planet."

And... is Poland going (or could it go) in a similar direction of tame people who follow orders?

spiked-online.com/2022/01/11/whatever-happened-to-the-fighting-irish/

Was it being in the EU? Will Polish people become similarly... domesticated if they stay in the EU long enough?

Losing their eternal enemy of imperial Britain? (at least Poland still has Germany and Russia... despite the massive inconvenience.... overall having two eternal enemies is better than one)

I read the article. A bit lame. Trotting out that old rubbish about the Nice Treaty. The basis for the initial vote was our very understandable attachment to our neutrality and when that was secured and the Treaty amended to ensure that we didn't have to join a common European defence policy, the yes vote was secured. That's actually an example of the Irish people not allowing themselves to be ridden roughshod over either by their own government or by 'foreigners'. So sloppy journalism on his part.

As for Covid, people accepted the restrictions etc because of this thing we have of feeling morally responsible for other people. The social pressure to do the 'right thing' and not put elderly people at risk is pretty massive in Ireland especially in small, tight knit rural communities. Nobody wanted to be seen as the cause of old Paddy down the road dying of Covid and people would be castigated for their selfishness and immorality if they breached restrictions.

The Covid restrictions are not quite the same as the Penal Laws - public health regulations put in place by our own elected government isn't enough to get the blood boiling.

Actually, if he really knew his history he'd know that the fighting Irish had pretty much given up after the Famine. That really took the wind out of our sails for a while but thank God for the Irish women :) According to a man called Dan Breen, a name little known outside Ireland but a key figure in the War of Independence, speaking of his childhood he said:

It was my feeling -the impression I got at the time -that it was the women of the country who kept alive the national spirit. The men of my father's generation had apparently drifted into a system of what we might call public house debate as their only contribution to the national movement of the time, but it was the women who kept alive the traditions of the past and handed these things on to my generation.


Quite possibly. Certainly most of them are more concerned about how much credit they can get for a house and a car than about Polish self-determination.

...until you realize that this sets a precedence and that under this title the bastards aka government - even the kind we elect and let loose until four years later - can do anything and that only a bloody revolt can put the genie back. They never, ever give up their power by thinking things through and realizing the errors of their ways.

Could Ireland be going to war with Britain. ?
This is a snip that I read in the news today,
Could it effect Poland ?
"Britain promised under the original peace deal to keep the Irish border open.
Because leaving the EU means having a different customs and regulatory regime, there has to be a border somewhere.
In order to preserve the peace in Ireland, the EU insisted that Northern Ireland be treated, for regulatory purposes, as part of its own market, meaning that checks on goods take place between Great Britain and Northern Ireland rather than between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

Now, Boris Johnson is trying to renege on the deal."

No.

Both Poles and Irish had their share of zealous freedom fighters, didn't they.
The Poles had Kosciuszko and the Irish had Parnell!

A remarkable orator. If you haven't read any of his speeches, I recommend them.

Those days however are past.

At least here in the US, no Adlai Stevensons or Barry Goldwaters on the horizon either.