Well - we will have to see. Let's measure in years and not weeks. The govt has promised lots in the election so it needs to generate high growth which will be very difficult.
Polish People are Welcome in Scotland
szkocja0
8 Feb 2020 #32
@Miloslaw
What absolute nonsense. If we are subsided by the English, then why were they so keen to hold onto us at the last Indy referendum?
Also Scotland donates more to charity per head than the rest of the UK. So your racist stereotyping is wrong. You sound like a typical Daily Mail reader.
Brexit is the beginning of the end for the Union.....
@pawian
Yes if there's another Indy referendum, then Polish people who have settled in Scotland will be able to vote. Any Polish people I've spoken to would vote yes to Independence. The problem is the vast majority of the media, such as the BBC, newspapers, etc which is London centric are totally biased towards the union and don't present a balanced view. It propogates scare mongering and negative scenarios.
What absolute nonsense. If we are subsided by the English, then why were they so keen to hold onto us at the last Indy referendum?
Also Scotland donates more to charity per head than the rest of the UK. So your racist stereotyping is wrong. You sound like a typical Daily Mail reader.
Brexit is the beginning of the end for the Union.....
@pawian
Yes if there's another Indy referendum, then Polish people who have settled in Scotland will be able to vote. Any Polish people I've spoken to would vote yes to Independence. The problem is the vast majority of the media, such as the BBC, newspapers, etc which is London centric are totally biased towards the union and don't present a balanced view. It propogates scare mongering and negative scenarios.
Any Polish people I've spoken to would vote yes to Independence.
Shouldn't really vote one way or the other.
Well you needn't worry about the BBC any more - that would be one of the things Scotland would have to do without.
There are Scottish newspapers already and they have wider readership there than the London papers.
There are Scottish newspapers already and they have wider readership there than the London papers.
then Polish people who have settled in Scotland will be able to vote.
Thanks, at last sb answered my question. But can you say exactly if they will be able to take part as settled migrants after 5 years` stay or they need to be regular citizens coz I am curious about the legal regulations here.
Brexit is the beginning of the end for the Union.....
I was against it coz it broke the unity of Europe confronted with the Russian pressure. But now, when the deal is done, I have nothing against your independence after Brexit. Good luck! The English will have to suffer the consequences - only Wales will remain as the last element of their Empire! :)) The first and the last.
was curious when they can legally take part. After getting full citizenship? Or before?
They were eligible to take part in the last one. All EU citizens living in Scotland were eligible and the present proposed franchise is that the voting rights would be the same in any future referendum. So yes, any Pole living in Scotland will be able to vote.
All EU citizens living in Scotland were eligible
Just like that? Even fresh immigrants? Is it Scottish or European law? Could Scots come to Poland and similarly take part in Polish referendums?
Is it Scottish or European law?
It's not European law. I know that because in Ireland, which is an EU country, only Irish citizens may vote in referendums. That's because the result of a referendum requires a change in the constitution and only the citizens of Ireland have the power to change our constitution.
I don't believe it's Scottish law either as the referendum is not called by Scotland but by Westminster ie the British government decides that there will be a referendum, therefore Westminster decides the voting eligibility. As there is virtually no history of referendums in the UK (as opposed to Ireland where we've had about thirty, if memory serves me correctly) I think the voting rights are decided on a case by case basis.
As to Poland, you don't have many referendums either and your government doesn't need to consult citizens to change the constitution so the issue of foreigners voting in Polish referendums is not likely to arise.
Rich Mazur 4 | 2889
9 Feb 2020 #39
As to Poland, ...your government doesn't need to consult citizens to change the constitution
The PRL government didn't either.
Erskine
19 Feb 2022 #40
I worked with Polish folk and they are very decent, hard working people.
They are and, in my experience, despite my Polish ancestry, the Slowaks are even better.
The thing with Poles is, they're very fake. They won't say anything to your face, and then they'll go on the internet and say absolutely awful things about you and your country to other Poles, in their own language, when they think nobody can see them. Gigantic load of backstabbing fakes.
Their idea of 'politeness' is also paper-thin - a load of formal "good day sir/madam" with no feeling or meaning behind it, just going through the motions. Living in Poland is like being a robot living in a theme park version of the 1900s or something, everyone is "good day, sir"-ing each other constantly with completely emotionless faces. It makes me feel a bit sick, to be honest, it's so bizarre and stupid.
And then they act like we're strange for trying to spread a bit of goodwill by being pleasant to each other - a concept very few Poles can seem to even slightly comprehend.
Their idea of 'politeness' is also paper-thin - a load of formal "good day sir/madam" with no feeling or meaning behind it, just going through the motions. Living in Poland is like being a robot living in a theme park version of the 1900s or something, everyone is "good day, sir"-ing each other constantly with completely emotionless faces. It makes me feel a bit sick, to be honest, it's so bizarre and stupid.
And then they act like we're strange for trying to spread a bit of goodwill by being pleasant to each other - a concept very few Poles can seem to even slightly comprehend.
@Erskine
I live in Poland and I deal with lazy, surly c*nts on a pretty much daily basis. Customer service and government offices, for one thing, generally feel like being spat in the face repeatedly by someone very bored who wishes you'd just go away (while nonetheless calling you 'sir' every 10 seconds).
I live in Poland and I deal with lazy, surly c*nts on a pretty much daily basis. Customer service and government offices, for one thing, generally feel like being spat in the face repeatedly by someone very bored who wishes you'd just go away (while nonetheless calling you 'sir' every 10 seconds).
I live in Poland and I deal with lazy, surly c*nts on a pretty much daily basis.
You forgot no eye contact and small talk...
@Novichok they're great at eye contact when it comes to openly goggling at strangers in the street. Nobody in the entire country seems to have received the memo yet that staring is rude as hell.
I live in Poland
Has someone forced you to live in Poland? If you don't like it here, leave.
Some people do not have the mental capacity to adapt to a foreign country.
@Ironside
Some foreign countries are terrible places to emigrate to due to the native population's inability to behave decently and not be a load of arrogant, rude, nationalistic pr*cks.
Not going anywhere, stary. I can get an EU passport out of this place after a while and then I'm off to somewhere the winters don't last six months and actual Nazis don't get over a million votes in the presidential election.
Some foreign countries are terrible places to emigrate to due to the native population's inability to behave decently and not be a load of arrogant, rude, nationalistic pr*cks.
Not going anywhere, stary. I can get an EU passport out of this place after a while and then I'm off to somewhere the winters don't last six months and actual Nazis don't get over a million votes in the presidential election.
Some people do not have the mental capacity
Why are you angry, Iron? The guy is doing a great job for us. Discouraging foreigners from coming here. They might read his posts, decide against coming to Poland and settle in the UK instead.
Some foreign countries are terrible places to emigrate to due to the native population's inability to behave decently and not be a load of arrogant, rude, nationalistic pr*cks.
Exactly. Poland is one such country. That's why foreigners would be well advised to avoid coming here.
Keep up the good work, WarSore.
@Torq
They are more than welcome to come to the UK (preferably via legal routes) as long as they can prevent themselves from constantly chucking sh*t at the country, its inhabitants and its culture on social media. There's another lot - big group, turned up mostly after 2004 - who can't seem to do that for some bizarre reason.
It's going to be great fun when Poland's meteoric economic rise (which Poles are crowing about to anyone with ears these days) means mass-migration from countries further down the totem pole in "EU B". Hopefully they're just as respectful and kind about Poles as Poles are about Britain. Fingers crossed!
They are more than welcome to come to the UK (preferably via legal routes) as long as they can prevent themselves from constantly chucking sh*t at the country, its inhabitants and its culture on social media. There's another lot - big group, turned up mostly after 2004 - who can't seem to do that for some bizarre reason.
It's going to be great fun when Poland's meteoric economic rise (which Poles are crowing about to anyone with ears these days) means mass-migration from countries further down the totem pole in "EU B". Hopefully they're just as respectful and kind about Poles as Poles are about Britain. Fingers crossed!
They are more than welcome to come to the UK
I am of exactly the same opinion. :)
mass-migration from countries further down the totem pole in "EU B"
Not going to happen. We are too hostile and off-putting as a nation. Those people should just go to France, UK and Germany.
Your job, WarSore, is to write as many bad things as possible about Poland to discourage them from coming here. Keep up the good work!
@Torq
According to Poles (as they keep repeating to each other ad infinitum in every single comment section on the entire internet), my country is an irredeemable, barely-tolerable hellscape - yet they all came there and most stayed there!
The lure of 'bardzo zloty' will, I'm sure, be enough to mitigate the long, cold winters, diet based on excessive amounts of cabbage and boiled egg, ubiquity of scruffy men drinking beer in public from dawn - even the discopolo!
According to Poles (as they keep repeating to each other ad infinitum in every single comment section on the entire internet), my country is an irredeemable, barely-tolerable hellscape - yet they all came there and most stayed there!
The lure of 'bardzo zloty' will, I'm sure, be enough to mitigate the long, cold winters, diet based on excessive amounts of cabbage and boiled egg, ubiquity of scruffy men drinking beer in public from dawn - even the discopolo!
I'm sure, be enough to mitigate the long, cold winters, diet based (...)
It might be enough to mitigate the things you mention but it won't mitigate the legendarily hostile and aggressive local population who eats foreigners alive.
That's why it is your responsibility to warn them not to come.
can get an EU passport out of this place
You're beautiful polish wife will divorce you before that happens. Judging by the tone of your posts things are already starting to fall apart.
@amiga500
Ah Ron mate, making a lot of assumptions there! An awful lot. Sure you're not just jealous that a 'pom' is living in your beloved Poland and you're off there in the land of kangaroos and widespread chronic gambling addiction?
Don't need a 'beautiful Polish wife' for a passport btw mate. Do you have one? Cashed in on your negligible Polish ancestry yet, or just here to give it the big one about Poland and Polishness on the net?
Ah Ron mate, making a lot of assumptions there! An awful lot. Sure you're not just jealous that a 'pom' is living in your beloved Poland and you're off there in the land of kangaroos and widespread chronic gambling addiction?
Don't need a 'beautiful Polish wife' for a passport btw mate. Do you have one? Cashed in on your negligible Polish ancestry yet, or just here to give it the big one about Poland and Polishness on the net?