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Brutal stabbing, Poles arrested


jon357 63 | 14,110
17 Sep 2015  #1
This is a sad one. Was it planned? What would drive someone to do this? It would be interesting to know if Marcin Porczyński or Robert Dzieł have any previous in Poland:

Porczynski, who has also been charged with burgling the house next door to the Crosses', has a Facebook page on which he lists his hometown as Kielce, a city with 200,000 inhabitants in central Poland. It says he moved to Hemel Hempstead in May......
A post-mortem examination was due to be carried out yesterday on Mrs Cross, who ran a greeting cards business from her home......
The Polish-born warehouse worker accused of Mrs Cross's murder was also charged yesterday with kidnapping the couple's two children, who are now safe with family

dailymail/news/article-3237023/Suspect-charged-murder-woman-37-stabbed-death-home-kidnap-children-aged-six-three.html
White Europe - | 21
17 Sep 2015  #2
Do you also post crimes committed in the UK by Africans and Pakistanis or just Poles?
Harry
17 Sep 2015  #3
It would be interesting to know if Marcin Porczyński or Robert Dzieł have any previous in Poland:

It does often seem when reading articles about crimes committed by Poles who have decided to exercise their right to free movement in the EU that a lot of them have previous form in Poland. Frankly I don't mind that one bit, anything that gets criminals out of Poland is fine with me.

Did you see that fairly recently the UK decided that a Polish woman who had killed her husband by stamping repeatedly on his head, because he'd got drunk, cannot be deported back to Poland? More good news for those of us who live in Poland, although it went down predictably in the UK.

Do you also post crimes committed in the UK by Africans and Pakistanis or just Poles?

Why not head over to africanforums.com and pakistaniforums.com and find out?
AlfGarnet
17 Sep 2015  #4
Bloody country is going to the dog's.
Harry
17 Sep 2015  #5
This country is doing very well; you should think about moving over here, especially if the drive to export Poland's criminals to the UK really kicks up a gear next year. It might well do, given the inevitable economic reaction to the possible change in government and the slightly-to-the-right-of-Mussolini law and order policies of PIS, in which case we can safely predict even more stories about Polish criminals going to the UK and getting nicked there.

By the way, the dog's what?
OP jon357 63 | 14,110
17 Sep 2015  #6
Do you also post crimes committed in the UK by Africans and Pakistanis

In a forum about matters Polish?

It's quite interesting to see some of the phenomena. I'm most interested about why they behaved as they did, what took them to that exact place, what made them target that lady, what sort of person they were before they emigrated. And how the criminal justice system will deal with this.

Did you see that fairly recently the UK decided that a Polish woman who had killed her husband by stamping repeatedly on his head, because he'd got drunk, cannot be deported back to Poland? More good news for those of us who live in Poland, although it went down predictably in the UK.

Quite.

We don't want such people in Poland, and I doubt the folks back in the old country are chuffed about them moving there. Maybe parachute them into Mosul.
AlfGarnet
17 Sep 2015  #7
Yes, my new mobile phone likes to use ' without my consent.

I couldn't move to Poland, the US maybe, Oz, Yes please ! but Poland, no thank you.
Ironside 47 | 9,624
17 Sep 2015  #8
Hang him.
It would be a good idea to leave the EU as well, as he is recent arrival , high on drugs and booze I suspect. Seems to me that being in the EU and terrible governance of Poland results in producing more and more thugs with problems and a sense of entailment, soon Poland will be on a par with western Europe in the number of rabble without morals and integrity in a society.

Hanging murderers would be a good stat to re introduce order.
AlfGarnet
17 Sep 2015  #9
The other worthless Polish citizen living in the same house as the murdering psycho committed burglary at a near by house,how positive.

Hurry up with the referendum Cameron.
Harry
17 Sep 2015  #10
It would be a good idea to leave the EU

Leaving the EU only seems like a good idea to people who don't live in Poland. For a start people who live in Poland see the massive benefits of EU membership. And, exactly on the topic of this thread, we don't want all of the scum back in our country that we have managed to export to the rest of the EU.

Hanging murderers would be a good stat to re introduce order.

No, execution is too expensive and is not a deterrent to murderers (although it does very much deter them from being caught, which can and does lead to further deaths). If the Poles who murdered this woman knew that death awaited them, they would have zero reason to not fight to the death when the British police tried to arrest them (or even to not kill anybody who they suspected might tell the British police about them).
nothanks - | 640
17 Sep 2015  #11
He held a job, didn't rape or behead her AND didn't hurt the children

That is cultural difference
Ironside 47 | 9,624
17 Sep 2015  #12
No, execution is too expensive and is not a deterrent to murderers (

Are you for real? More expensive that keep that guy alive for next 30 years, with guards and all .... hemp rope and a tree, not that expensive..

If the Poles who murdered this woman knew that death awaited them, they would have zero reason to not fight to the death when the British police tried to arrest them

If they would resists arrest, why that would make it simpler, shot them on the spot.

For a start people who live in Poland see the massive benefits of EU membership.

Didn't I explain properly that alleged benefits of the EU membership are not that beneficial as them seems to be.
OP jon357 63 | 14,110
17 Sep 2015  #13
Well, Nothanks, he kidnapped the children and repeatedly stabbed her in a savage attack, so I suppose there's not much difference between the two cultural groups.
Harry
17 Sep 2015  #14
Are you for real? More expensive that keep that guy alive for next 30 years, with guards and all

Prison guards are very cheap; lawyers are very expensive. Death penalty trials are longer and cost more, plus they are almost automatically appealed.
deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

If they would resists arrest, why that would make it simpler, shot them on the spot.

Very unlikely that Marcin Porczyński or Robert Dzieł could have been shot by the first police officers to encounter them. I note that you have completely ignored the point about their likely actions with regard to anybody who they suspected might tell the British police about them, I wonder why.
Ironside 47 | 9,624
17 Sep 2015  #15
I note that you have completely ignored the point about their likely actions with regard to anybody who they suspected might tell the British police about them, I wonder why.

Maybe because I would rather talk about facts than deal with what if scenario ....
Harry
17 Sep 2015  #16
I would rather talk about facts than deal with what if scenario

Er

If they would resists arrest, why that would make it simpler, shot them on the spot.

Ironside 47 | 9,624
17 Sep 2015  #17
Oh Harry you got me I do not have criminal mind like you. I stand by my conclusion murderers should be hanged.
Harry
17 Sep 2015  #18
murderers should be hanged.

Maybe you think that it's worth the extra cost of hanging the likes of Marcin Porczynski, but I don't want to waste the money on them: let them rot in jail.
Crow 137 | 7,522
17 Sep 2015  #19
Eh, s*** happens. Crazy people everywhere
Dougpol1 30 | 2,840
17 Sep 2015  #20
Crow and Dougpol united at last.

What was the point of your post Jon? I suppose when enough Brits move to Poland we will have some particularly shameful statistics too. Which I have done my best to add to. I've had my run ins with the Polish filth, but never actually hurt a fly. There are how many Poles in the UK? So why is this stuff newsworthy?
OP jon357 63 | 14,110
17 Sep 2015  #21
Gruesome murders and kidnappings are always newsworthy. This crime is a particularly extreme one.
Crow 137 | 7,522
17 Sep 2015  #22
when we are at it, if i can remember correctly, most disgusting things i ever heard happened in Serbia are some cases of necrophilia.

To put cross on myself
Dougpol1 30 | 2,840
17 Sep 2015  #23
This crime is a particularly extreme one

Yes, but surely you see? The fact that it was a Pole is of no significance to the victims.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,596
17 Sep 2015  #24
Seems to me that being in the EU and terrible governance of Poland results in producing more and more thugs with problems and a sense of entailment, soon Poland will be on a par with western Europe in the number of rabble without morals and integrity in a society.

Clearly you're choosing to ignore the lawlessness of the early 90's.

I've seen a collection of photographs from Poland back then showing how non-white people were beaten up regularly and without any response from the police.
Harry
17 Sep 2015  #25
The fact that it was a Pole is of no significance to the victims.

Yes, but here we should discuss "Poland or Polish people". The topic is not 'Brutal stabbing, British mother murdered', it is 'Brutal stabbing, Poles arrested'.
OP jon357 63 | 14,110
17 Sep 2015  #26
"Poland or Polish people"

As a migrant in the other direction, I'm curious about their story.
Dougpol1 30 | 2,840
17 Sep 2015  #27
He held a job, didn't rape or behead her AND didn't hurt the children

That is cultural difference

Ha. You do talk some crap. First of all - he held a job - so that's a mitigating circumstance then is it? That will get him 10 years off then for good background? :)

Stabbed/beheaded? Allegedly the bloke murdered the victim. Where's the point of difference?

Hurt the children? Mmmmm...............................................

The kidnapping law is interesting though. I well remember the situation of a Katowice child who went missing over 20 years ago. The kidnapper had second thoughts and contacted the police - asking what would happen if he set the child free, and she identified him............... 25 years in prison was the police response....

He then asked what he would get if he killed her. The answer - you guessed it - 25 years.

You don't have to ask what he did.
Ironside 47 | 9,624
17 Sep 2015  #28
Clearly you're choosing to ignore the lawlessness of the early 90's.

You were a toddler back then, your conclusion based on some photographs is funny.
pinhead
17 Sep 2015  #29
And the Poles were threatening to strike because they were not getting enough respect in this country?

What a joke. It would be funny if it was not so serious.

RIP to the poor lady.
Marsupial - | 888
18 Sep 2015  #30
Looks like any crime anywhere. Been some terrible ones here lately like in mcdonalds last week. Nasty business.


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