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Can Szkoły policealne certificate be a substitute for B1 language certificate


tgh101 1 | 2
9 Sep 2021 #1
Hi My Polish and Foreigner Friends,

well i live in Poland and definitely need to learn speak polish thats minimum to do in country hosting me, the learning is ongoing but when comes to get the B1 certificate its challenging and definitely more challenging to get a pass for an exam this days. so as alternative i came to know that if i will have a certificate of a fully polish based study can be an alternative for B1 certificate when applying for permanent residence or citizenship. and there is now in Poland some schools that offer Szkoły policealne for different type of profession like makeup artist some require 1year some 2 years. so can someone help me to know how true is this, and i guess going through this kind of course will help in challenging me with the language and also learn something that can be useful for me one day and i can avoid the struggle of the B1 certificate.

Thanks
Atch 16 | 3,335
10 Sep 2021 #2
if i will have a certificate of a fully polish based study

You mean to train in a profession through the Polish language? That would require a good standard of Polish language skills. You would need to speak, read and write Polish reasonably well before starting your studies.

can someone help me to know how true is this,

Yes they do offer such courses. Why don't you look at their website? But studying a course such as makeup artist would definitely not be easier than doing your B1 certificate. There is simply no 'easy' way to learn Polish. But doing some kind of 'casual' evening class that doesn't require the pressure of exams or obtaining qualifications is a good idea for practising your Polish.
mafketis 29 | 9,829
10 Sep 2021 #3
That would require a good standard of Polish language skills

Depends, a friend working at the time (no more) in a private institution of 'higher' education showed me something written by a student from.... (let's just say an Eastern Slavic country and leave it at that). The spelling and grammar and style were waaaaay off it was understandable but I'm not sure if the person could pass B2.

This institution would accept all kinds of international students and give them no language support whatsoever... so if a person sticks it out and ends up with a diploma it might not count for the exam (if I had any say it wouldn't).

I'll also mention a couple of students I've had who had spent a number of years in Ireland.

One is extremely fluent (attended more school in Ireland than in Poland) but that type of knowledge is not always.... appreciated by teachers in Poland. Interestingly this person has no special attraction/tie to Ireland and while they often feel out of place in Poland they don't necessarily want to go back to Ireland (international alienation).

Another attended several years of high school in Ireland (graduated there in fact) but struggled to even pass English exams in Poland. Make of that what you will... do high school students have to write at all? What kind of standards are accepted from non-native speakers?

Rounding back to the topic at hand, English speaking countries have extremely... flexible standards as to what they accept from foreigners. Poland doesn't have that tradition (maybe it did before WWII but it doesn't now). So doing anything beyond hitting the books and passing the official test won't necessarily work...

simply no 'easy' way to learn Polish

Anyhoo I'll always recommend this channel for those preparing for exams

youtube.com/c/PozdrowieniazPolski

Most of her students are also from the East but she has crystal clear diction and her videos are a good way to get that meta-linguistic awareness of Polish that's necessary for higher functioning.
Atch 16 | 3,335
10 Sep 2021 #4
in a private institution

Yes that's often the case with private colleges in Poland. All they care about is the fees and the standards are woeful. In the szkoły policealne the tutition is free so there isn't any incentive to fill the classes up with foreigners.

do high school students have to write at all?

Yes they do :) and the standards are pretty high.

What kind of standards are accepted from non-native speakers?

When the 'Leaving Certificate' exams are marked the candidates are only identified by a number. The person marking the exam doesn't know the nationality of the student.

To pass the traditional/regular Leaving Cert, the minimum requirement is to pass six subjects at Ordinary Level (for the less academic) or Higher Level (more demanding standards). You need higher level subjects to go to university. But there are two other versions of the Leaving for those who are non-academic, the Applied Leaving Cert and the Vocational Leaving Cert. Therefore when a student from Ireland tells you they have the Leaving Cert, they might have a very basic pass at the lowest academic level or they could have grade A in ten subjects at the highest level. The student who can hardly write in English may have done one of the less academic options and barely scraped a pass in that. Did they actually do the Leaving at all?

youtube.com/c/PozdrowieniazPolski

That's a really good resource especially as you can use the sub-titles function. I find it helpful to be able to read what the person is saying at the same time as hearing it. And of course if you're a complete beginner you can even slow down the speed a bit to hear the pronunciation more clearly.
Novichok 1 | 3,976
10 Sep 2021 #5
That would require a good standard of Polish language skills.

Right after he acquires "a good standard of English language skills".
OP tgh101 1 | 2
10 Sep 2021 #6
i think the answers deviated from what im looking for.
what im seeking from this thread is to find an answer on this question:
if i got a diplomat/Certificate from school that offer "after high-school"/Szkoły policealne diplomat let say 1year diplomat (it doesnt matter how i will get it, let just suppose i just got it after hard work and doesnt matter what profession i studied :)), would this diplomat is enough to prove the language requirement in long residence/Citizenship application?

and please, only if you know the answer replay to me and no need to complicate it ;)

dziękuję.
Lyzko 30 | 7,713
10 Sep 2021 #7
I concur here, Rich.
Atch 16 | 3,335
10 Sep 2021 #8
would this diplomat is enough to prove the language requirement in long residence/Citizenship application?

Yes.

migrant.poznan.uw.gov.pl/en/slownik-pojec/confirmation-knowledge-polish-language

Btw 'diplomat' is an English word and it's a person, not a thing :) A diplomat works for the government in foreign affairs/international relations. The employees of an embassy or consulate work in the diplomatic service.

The Polish word is 'dyplom' meaning diploma.
Lyzko 30 | 7,713
10 Sep 2021 #9
A potential false friend indeed.
OP tgh101 1 | 2
10 Sep 2021 #10
@Atch

Btw 'diplomat' is an English word and it's a person, not a thing :)

Seems french background side effect in my writting skills by throwing some silent consonant :D thanks for the note anyway.

However, may doubt on this certificate/diploma come from the fact that may not all diploma are recognized, in the other hand this study require 1 year to get the qualification so it should be fine plus the school is legit one.


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