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Things People Say in Ireland - Even though Novichok thinks they can't.


johnny reb 48 | 7,058
19 Jun 2023 #31
I dislike the term 'hate speech'.

Same as 'disinformation' that is used by the Left just for shutting someone up.
Today's new Woke terminology.
Novichok 4 | 7,877
19 Jun 2023 #32
Can we also agree that laws of defamation, slander and libel exist in the USA?

There are no laws, federal or state, to make these a crime and you never end up dealing with the police when you libel someone. They may deliver the summons and that's about it.

Plus libel can be claimed only by individuals, not groups.

In Europe, you can be charged criminally for offending a group - even if no member of that group signed a complaint!!!!!!

You, Euros, are on a planet Americans have not yet discovered...
OP Atch 22 | 4,120
19 Jun 2023 #33
There are no laws, federal or state, to make these a crime

Actually there are. You don't know your own laws - but that wasn't the purpose of my question. I was trying to have a discussion and as you have a real problem with that, I was using baby steps to help you. All I wanted was what you yourself would call a simple yes or no.

Question : Do you have defamation laws in the USA?
Answer : Yes.

Now, let's move on.

Whether they are civil or criminal, would you agree that there are potential legal consequences for saying something defamatory about another person in the USA?
Novichok 4 | 7,877
19 Jun 2023 #34
Question : Do you have defamation laws in the USA?

There are no laws, federal or state, to make these a crime

Only the laws or legal precedences to define the necessary elements of evidence. No crime, though, as in Euro-fascist states.

would you agree that there are potential legal consequences for saying something defamatory about another person in the USA?

Yes, but not about a group as is the case in Euro-fascist states.

In the US, you NEVER, EVER go to prison for libel. In Euro-fascist states, you do - just as you would in the USSR, China, and North Korea.

Huuuuuge difference!
OP Atch 22 | 4,120
19 Jun 2023 #35
. No crime, though,

"Cases still arise under state criminal libel laws. In 2002, a jury convicted an editor and publisher of a small free monthly paper and website in Kansas of criminal defamation after they printed that a mayor and her husband, a judge, did not live in the county where they hold office. The pair appealed their fine and probation, but were turned down."

you never end up dealing with the police when you libel someone.

In the same year a sixteen year old was arrested and charged after he published on a website that his school principal was the "town drunk" and having an affair with the secretary.

In the US, you NEVER, EVER go to prison for libel.

And coming a bit more up to date in 2021 a man was jailed for calling his police chief a "coward" on Facebook.

Tell me more about free speech in the USA.
Novichok 4 | 7,877
19 Jun 2023 #36
Nice try...Quoting:

The criminal defamation laws in 38 states and territories have either been repealed or struck down as unconstitutional.

CDLs are pure crap and on the way out. Sure enough, we got it from the most evil of countries - England.

Did you know that in some states there were laws against ugly people?

I forgot to add that my perception of what is just and what is not is perfect. Without a law degree, it makes me a legal genius smarter than all these moron judges that let this crap linger for this long,

This sh*it, of course, came from England - the evil place where the kings had to be protected from any criticism by the threat of prison after chopping heads off became too distasteful just before 5 pm tea.
Paulina 16 | 4,357
19 Jun 2023 #37
the evil place where the kings had to be protected from any criticism by the threat of prison

But you loooove Putin, RuSSia and China :))))) Your hypocrisy is mind-blowing!

kaboom
Novichok 4 | 7,877
19 Jun 2023 #38
But you loooove Putin, RuSSia and China

No. Only Putin and Russia for telling the LGBT pervs to stay the fu*ck away from Russian kids.
OP Atch 22 | 4,120
20 Jun 2023 #39
The criminal defamation laws in 38 states and territories

And what about the other twelve?

Once again, you've shown yourself to be either a liar or a fool. You made three statements, all of which were false.

Please explain how you can go to jail in the USA for calling somebody a coward despite your right to 'free' speech.
johnny reb 48 | 7,058
20 Jun 2023 #40
And coming a bit more up to date in 2021 a man was jailed for calling his police chief a "coward" on Facebook.

I can't seem to locate that article, Atch.
Would you please confirm your source to it for us.
Novichok 4 | 7,877
20 Jun 2023 #41
Please explain how you can go to jail in the USA for calling somebody a coward despite your right to 'free' speech.

Easy. You can't. In the 12 states where this insane English relic is still on the books, it will take just one case to remove it.

What you are referring to is a legal insanity the USA got from evil England and its moron kings.
I was right about 38 states where this English insanity was abolished.
OP Atch 22 | 4,120
20 Jun 2023 #42
In the 12 states where this insane English relic is still on the books, it will take just one case to remove it.

Not so. The man who was arrested for calling the police chief a coward and alleging that he was corrupt later took a case challenging the law and lost. A three-judge panel at the U.S. Court of Appeals issued a ruling rejecting the man's claims that the law violated his First Amendment rights and the law remains unchanged.

Anyway we clearly agree that under US law there is such a thing as defamation of character which means that you cannot make a defamatory statement about another person without consequences, regardless of your free speech rights. This is usually the case in developed nations. Why do you think that is?
Novichok 4 | 7,877
20 Jun 2023 #43
Why do you think that is?

Because lies are not covered by the 1st Amendment - defamatory or in dealing with government agencies. Nobody can claim "free speech" when lying to the IRS or the FBI.

In this case, claiming corruption was the critical point, not "a coward", since corruption is a fact-based crime and provable in a court of law. "Coward" is an opinion and not relevant to the case.
johnny reb 48 | 7,058
17 Jan 2024 #44
biden tells Irish leaders to 'lick the world' !
President biden said he wanted to go and "lick the world" with Irish leaders, while making a speech at Dublin Castle on Thursday.
The Irish leaders responded by telling biden to keep Ireland out of his mouth.
Novichok 4 | 7,877
17 Jan 2024 #45
When a Syrian migrant is now "Irush", the word "Irish" lost all meaning.
Bobko 25 | 2,028
17 Jan 2024 #46
It's funny... when small countries do it, isn't it?

Nobody bats an eyelash when a Buryat calls himself Russian, a Japanese an American, an Indian a Brit, an Algerian a Frenchman.

But if it's a Syrian claiming Irishness, it does cause some cognitive dissonance.

But why should the rules that apply to large states, not apply to smaller ones as well?
johnny reb 48 | 7,058
17 Jan 2024 #47
biden tells Irish leaders to 'lick the world' !

Here is the article, I just found it.
Joe biden Trashed by Irish Lawmaker: 'Keep Our Country Out of Your Mouth'

msn.com/en-us/news/world/joe-biden-trashed-by-irish-lawmaker-keep-our-country-out-of-your-mouth/ar-AA1n7F3r?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=3702dad28c5d4572a9da9c3e9318b43c&ei=13
Novichok 4 | 7,877
17 Jan 2024 #48
But if it's a Syrian claiming Irishness, it does cause some cognitive dissonance.

It's all about meltability and welfare locals are guilted into providing. Less melting, more welfare, more migrant kids, a fvcking disater ... See Sweden.
Today, Sweden is 20% not white Swedish.
Bobko 25 | 2,028
17 Jan 2024 #49
@Novichok

We're headed for a big war - I feel. Maybe 5-10 years out. It's gonna make the conflicts of the past seem like small peanuts.
Novichok 4 | 7,877
17 Jan 2024 #50
We're headed for a big war - I feel. Maybe 5-10 years out.

Who would be the warring parties? If it's whites vs non-white migrants, I am all for it. Give them 6 mo to GTFO and then kill them all...
jon357 74 | 22,024
17 Jan 2024 #51
We're headed for a big war - I feel. Maybe 5-10 years out.

Closer to 5 according to some.
Bobko 25 | 2,028
17 Jan 2024 #52
Who would be the warring parties?

I don't know.

I think China will be a huge component of it.

Russia alone cannot hope to endure in a confrontation against the richest billion people in the world. Therefore, the only thing that could balance the scales, would be the ability to tap the virtually infinite manpower reserves of China. Then, as the more experienced party, Russia could act as the "elite" firefighting component, while China plugs the holes everywhere else through its sheer mass.

But even having China on-side, is no guarantee that we can outlast the West. Brazil, India, Egypt, Iran, South Africa, and Indonesia will have to decide where they throw in their lot.

The end goal, as I see it, is to redraw the security and trade infrastructure created after WW2, to more objectively reflect the shifting power balance in reality.
OP Atch 22 | 4,120
17 Jan 2024 #53
I think China will be a huge component of it.

The Chinese Premier was in Ireland today and according to the Irish government Ireland wants a "very strong and constructive relationship" with China, Whilst the old Chinee himself said "We are both committed to long-standing friendship and co-operation between our two countries, which really is the theme of this relationship and second there's huge potential in our cooperation," So you'd better watch your step Comrade :) you could all be speaking Irish a few years from now ;)
Torq 6 | 689
17 Jan 2024 #54
you could all be speaking Irish a few years from now ;)

KHL - Kontinental Hurling League? ;)
OP Atch 22 | 4,120
17 Jan 2024 #55
No need for that. They can have a GAA cumann. Poland already has Cumann Warszawa :))
Torq 6 | 689
17 Jan 2024 #56
Something tells me that the Irish ruling the world wouldn't be such a bad idea:

- they know what it means to be oppressed and persecuted, so maybe they wouldn't oppress and persecute other people too much;

- they know what poverty and hunger is, so maybe they would make sure that people they rule have bread on their tables;

- they are still deep down a Christian nation, with a deeply ingrained sense of justice and fairness.

Yip, that's it. Forget Americans, Russians or the Chinese - let the Irish run things from now on! ;)
OP Atch 22 | 4,120
17 Jan 2024 #57
I agree and don't forget the music! Everybody in the world should be doing this. None of these people had met before the day they recorded this. That's what being a nation is about:


johnny reb 48 | 7,058
17 Jan 2024 #58
We're headed for a big war

I think China will be a huge component of it.

Iran will most likely start it.
Why do you people keep overlooking Iran ?
jon357 74 | 22,024
17 Jan 2024 #59
Iran will most likely start it.

More than likely.

We also forget a few ticking time bombs like Turkey, Egypt and Nigeria. None of those 3 will start the next war however all 3 will probably participate in it.

None of these people had met before the day they recorded this. That's what being a nation is about:

A lovely video clip.
Novichok 4 | 7,877
17 Jan 2024 #60
The next big one should be vertical, not horizontal...decent people - united across borders - killing their swamps, royalties, and migrants.


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