Terms of Ukrainian Surrender

Ah, that's lovely :) All you have to do now is stop taking religion so seriously and you'll be grand ;)


Lol!

Sorry, no can do. I can stop taking almost everything seriously but not religion. Everything else is only about the 75-80 (if we're lucky) short years that we spend in this vale of tears and banter. Religion, on the other hand, is about eternity; hard not to take it seriously!

To put that into perspective......."like the steam off a hot drink".


No wonder you flunked out of the convent.

There's a difference between religion and God. You used to be quite a devout, practising Catholic and now you're not. Does it matter to God which faith you follow? I don't think so.


God is eternal, religion is a human construct, ephemeral. Soli Deo Gloria :)

As long as it is not a Cult.
I think you Mackerel Snappers are starting to catch on.

Good point. Of course, I meant God.

The important thing is that you should still enjoy watching the odd episode of Father Ted :)

How did you guys manage to get to this point undetected?

What point?

...where a discussion about the Terms of Ukrainian Surrender became a theological seminar.

Of course not. Europe has sent only a small fraction of its weapons. In fact, too small. Example? Poland has supplied Ukraine with old MIGs and tanks but kept its F16s and Leopards.


No, we can`t admit it coz it is bollox. Sweet dreams. :):):)

Which seems like a very wise decision.

Trump promised to settle the war in Ukraine, even BEFORE he enters office.

The general outline of his proposal, has been discussed in the press:

1) Suspension of aid to Ukraine unless it commences negotiations.

2) Increased aid to Ukraine if Russia refuses to engage.

Given that everyone understands that:

1) Ukraine cannot hope to keep fighting without aid

2) There is little left in the West's stockpiles, that they haven't already transferred or committed to transferring in the near future....

I think this means an effective surrender of Ukraine, unless Europe can somehow shake itself awake within the next six months.

Question - for what did Zelensky kill half a million people, and for what did he destroy his country - if the end result is the same, or even worse than what was offered in March of 2022?

Trump >:>>> Biden
Russia >>> Ukraine

Well you would say that, wouldn't you...

Don't worry, Ukraine will prevail.

No, it won't.

I don't worry, Jon.

Even if this war ends tomorrow, it's already an unqualified disaster.

Unlike you, we'll be there to clean up the mess, however.

Maybe. Still unwanted probably though

I've a feeling you won't.

Two years in and you still haven't got anywhere.

In the words of some old mafioso - "I don't require love, respect is enough".

I don't think you are getting that either anytime soon

Well, for the moment - at least - we have managed to gain the respect of Ukraine's military men.

Read any of their interviews recorded recently. They all speak about the forces opposite them with deep respect. As do, Russian commanders, speak well about their Ukrainian counterparts.

The populace at large has been fed a diet of falsehoods and misrepresentations. Whatever they think, is not so important now.

Tomorrow, we will sing them a new song, and they will learn to love this too.

That's what men want from their women first and foremost.

Instead, when they get finally home, they get bitched at for what she was stewing on all day long or what she recalled he did ten years ago.

All r*SSians can do is make veiled threads.

A sure sign things are going badly for them,

Where did you read a veiled threat?

I am in Mahatma Gandhi mode today!

@Bobko

There's another thing to consider, if Trump gets into office.

Contrary to popular belief, Trump doesn't dislike NATO-he dislikes the fact that NATO members don't pay enough to contribute to their own defense.

If Trump wins (still a big if), he'll put pressure on European NATO members to modernize and grow their defense. This will be done at a time when there's more appetite for increased military spending in Europe. When it's all said and done, Putin may have a significantly more muscular Europe than he wants.

I also got a feeling that any agreement will include Russian remuneration without Russian contracts to help rebuild Uke. Plus, some kind of economic agreement between Western Ukraine and The EU/USA.

Russia may get its eastern flank and Crimea, but a lot of pressure it didn't want. Not sure that's a win for Russia

Dearest AntV...

We will never, not during the geologic lifetime of this planet, expect to earn any money from you - rebuilding what we know is ours.

No.

You go, and talk to your Polish and other vassals, about what they can collect from the lord's table. We don't need your handouts.

We will fix what is within our domain of control, for everything else - you are responsible. Don't write us, don't invite us to any aid conferences, don't dangle development funds before us.

It's unhygienic to accept money from you.

Bobko, broaden your lens. You don't think Russian concerns don't want some cabbage?

Besides, it's not about your adopted country, USia, giving your motherland, Russia, any money. It's that an agreement between Uke and Russia may include a contingent on Russia giving some remuneration without Russian concerns being awarded any contracts.

The thing is most places want to escape your fixing.

...because it would come with preconditions:

1. Equal rights for LGBTs.
2. Equal LGBT access to Russia's school kids.
3. Gender-affirming surgeries for all kids from 1 to 17 without parental consent.
4. Trans women to be allowed to compete in all women's sports.
5. Trans women to be allowed in women's private spaces and in prisons.
6. Affirmative action for low-IQ minorities.

Anything else?