Terms of Russian Surrender

Quoting RT - the best news source ever:

Western journalists banned from 'Russian Davos'
Reporters from "unfriendly" nations have been barred from the economic forum in St. Petersburg, the Kremlin said

Moscow began formally designating foreign states as "unfriendly countries" in 2021, citing hostile policies, such as sanctions and expulsions of Russian diplomats. The list currently contains the majority of Western countries, including the US, Canada, and Britain, as well as all members of the European Union.

Good move, guys. Keep the lying woke scum as far away as you can. And comments:

They dont really need to attend they have already written the reports anyway. Blah blah blah Russia bad, sanctions this and sanctions that, Putin evil, Zerolendsky brave.

Banning western influence is the best way to keep the rats from destroying your country.

I know what's inside RuSSian heads the way you know what's inside Polish heads - by discussing with them.


Do you realise that you're talking about yourself too? :D


I can see that.


That is funny considering that you're one of those brainwashed Poles who lived in PRL :)

There are many vastly different future scenarios that would all mean "Ukraine winning". In the worst case a new Ukrainian government could try to claim land within Russias recognized borders, suppress elections, stir up new conflicts with Moldova, Belarus etc.

In fact there are signals that the USA will eventually have to help Russia out of this. For example it becomes more and more clear that Ukraine NATO membership is actually good for Russia because it guarantees Russias borders.

Russia is perfectly happy to guarantee its own borders. If fact, Russia likes the role so much it has expanded its borders to include 20% of Ukraine and 90% of its natural resources because NATO didn't figure out where to stop going east. If NATO stayed where it was in 1990, my bet is that this war and the thread would not exist.

Me, Nostradamus 2.0 in reverse.

Dude, Yeltsin was the guy who during a meeing with Polish president Wałęsa agreed to Poland, Czech Republic and Hungary joining NATO.
There is also the signed agreement that each country in the world is free to join any military coalition of its choice, signed by the USSR (Helsinki accords).

Nice try...When I mention what the USSR and the West agreed on way back, I am told to produce a signed treaty.

It has been explained hundreds of times. There is no written agreement on this with the exception of not placing NATO troops into former GDR territory, which has been kept.

Tell me, how the fu*ck can anyone guarantee a competely different country (Russia) that some other country will never be member of a certain alliance? Take the case of Poland. We literally used blackmail and we also had a very strong case (how we had been betrayed in 1945). How the hell can Russia dictate the future of a country that they literally subjugated for 45 years?

At some point even Russia was considering NATO membership and I guarantee you if they had shown the same tenacity as Eastern Europe, they would be a member by now.

But no, I think what happened was Yugoslavia happened which was yet another inherited legacy of communism and politicians in Russia forgot that the Cold War was mostly the USSR's fault. It was them who had created the iron curtain in which they imprisoned half of Europe for 45 years, and subjected them under their retarded ideology.

Flawless Russian logic. They can make claims based on treaties that never existed and disregard treaties they themselves signed (Helsinki, Paris, Budapest the list goes on).

BS. NATO with Russia in it would lose the reason to exist.
Show me one bureaucracy of that size that disbanded itself voluntarily.
Did you know that today the US has 44 generals and admirals for 1.1 million troops? During WW2, the US army - in wartime!!! - had 7. See the cancer metastasizing or not yet?

You raise an important question. The existence of these miniature states (yet bound in all the vestiges of sovereignty) is a pernicious problem in European history for the past few centuries.

Ordinarily, the answer to your question would be economic coercion and brute force. Unfortunately this path is now only available to the United States. Even China struggles to address regional problems in this way.

The only real answer to the problem is that the many countries of the world (200 is it now?), should be consolidated back into a manageable 30-45 countries. Everyone is responsible for their own little patch of dirt, and doesn't expect ludicrous assurances from each other - as Tacitus wisely pointed out.

A Polish Intermarium could be one of those 30-45 countries. With Poland's abundant natural resources, well developed stock market, impressive demographics, and powerful military - it could easily be the locus of a Central European superpower.

My point exactly. That Article 5 is the biggest nonsense ever and a dangerous one to the only guarantor - the US. I can just see Estonia invoking it because Russia did something Estonia didn't like. Now, the US is at war with Russia over Estonia. Fu*cking brilliant...


...and a relief to the US taxpayers.

... and a terror to the Germans.

A to cię boli! LOL LOL LOL ROTFL
No, we will not let Russkies to build en empire.

Europe jest bol w dupie dla nas and that damn A5 is a rope around our necks.

I only hope that the US will have the balls to tell you to get lost and shove that A5 up your ass if you start some sh*it with Russia because you felt very brave one day.

I can see why Russia's surrender is imminent...

They are drowning in oil...
Their subway is just a museum nobody is allowed to use...
They can't compose music or write books...
They can't even play chess...
They can't send a dumb dog into space...
Their fighter planes can only do Mach 2.83
Putin has only 80% approval, loser...
Their kids are not allowed to have LGBTFU visitiors...
No gender affirmating castrations, either...Child abuse!

What else...Oh, yeah...this:

More than half of world's population supports Russia - Seymour Hersh

Only half...shame...

Sorry about "affirmating"...

Best unconditional surrender.

This is how it will likely end.

Right now, they're still looking to save face however it is certainly too late for that.

The ideal outcome, is that a r*SSan leader (whoever that may be) has enough military power left to control r*SSia, but not enough power to ever try another illegal invasion within the next century.

Obviously there will be no oil or gas bought from r*SSia in my lifetime or that of anyone here and of course fossil fuels are slowly on the way out, however the reparations due to Ukraine for the damage done and the lives lost may of course be paid in oil/gas at a rate determined by the free world.

The future of r*SSia is grim.

No question, Russia is fvcked.....finished, kaput!

Napoleon and Hitler thought so too.

A very different world then.

This thread needs updating.

So, now when Prigozhin overthrows Putin and somebody else takes his place (Navalny? Kasparov?) do the terms of Russian surrender remain the same or should we propose some changes? Surely we can't be as harsh on - let's say - Гарри Кимович, as we would be on Putin. Your thoughts?

....out of Ukraine of course and negotiations about russian partake on the rebuilding....of course.

About the inner russian affairs not so much...Russia wouldn't be defeated and occupied after all.

More concerning will be the future about the pro-russian enclaves in Ukraine like Crimea. Kiev probably will take it all back and Russia has no longer the means or the will to stop anything.

Will there be unrest? Uprising? Big movements?

Not very likely.

If Ukraine is accepted into the EU, and eventually becomes a reasonably wealthy country, people will just get on with their lives. Well-fed people who are treated fairly don't start uprisings.

Probably true....the Baltics and their russian minorities could be a pointer....there are problems but most of them stayed after all...