Terms of Russian Surrender

@cms neuf
All of those things. Spot on.

Plus a list of every single agent or informer their spy agencies have had. Everywhere in the world, including in PL.

Do people of Texas and New Mexico have human rights and the right of self determination, as Estonians do?
Do people of Donbass and Crimea have human rights and the right of self determination, as Estonians do?

Yes, but only if the outcome is to the advantage of and approved by the ruling DC scumbags. If not, the outcome is invalid as not "democratic" enough.

See the referendum in Crimea in 2014.

Thank you, teacher! So, is it enough to declare yourself Estonian to get rid of such sad limitation?

For example, would be enough for Juan, who crossed Mexican border a week ago, to have the right to point their gun to jon357, and tell "I'm Estonian and you have to GTFO from my new home and disappear, or die"? Or recognition from Jose who just shot former nearest neighbours of jon is necessary to legitimise such property rights transfer?

How silly.

Don't you recognise the sovereignty of independent countries?

I remember after the chemical weapons attack by r*SSia in Salisbury, you were trying to pretend the orcs weren't responsible, despite overwhelming evidence that they were.

There's been more drone attacks this evening on Moscow, and doubtless many more to come. It's a bad time to be r*SSian.

Can you point us to anything verifiable?

Why would I need to. The evidence is enough for any court.

And enough has been written about it. Even the guilty individuals were caught in camera.

Do you mean like those extra-judicial drone attacks on the "terrorists" by the US swamp?

As opposed to the "orcs" who at least deny it, Western scumbags BRAG about it!!!! I mean no trial, no evidence, no witnesses...Just boom...

Debating idiots is as hard as climbing 60-degree dunes...

Boom a bang bang.

Fireworks over Moscow tonight.

Walking the streets and escorting prostitute to their hotel room?

Is there something related to poisoning, not to "tourist activities"?

By train twice to Salisbury?


Did they do any of those after collecting the poison from their r*SSian embassy handler who immediately fled the country?

I will gladly recognize sovereignty of independent People Republic of Texas, for example. Will it automatically cancel any rights of US federal government that it may had on territory of PRT?


Even if three or four times...

Is there any evidence that this two guys approached Skripals home during their visits, for example?

Or maybe looking at Sailsbury architecture is a crime by itself?

They would be so incredibly rich. At 5M barrels per day in crude oil production - Texas would be 3rd behind Saudi Arabia and Russia, and above Canada and China. Not having to split those tax revenues with sh!tholes like New York and Illinois, will mean Norwegian-style infrastructure and Emirati-level services.

Also, Texas will be free to implement its own immigration policy - which will probably consist of digging a half-mile wide trench filled with alligators along the entire length of its border with Mexico.

Codswallop. They didn't see any of the sights at all, and of course the poison they spread led straight back to r*SSia, where they fled to as soon as the deed was done.

The facts are established in a court of law; and nobody believes your laughable attempts at denial.

As with Litvinenko case, where zero public evidence was disclosed as well?

It is good idea to accuse jon357 in a number toddler rapes based on "secret evidence of undisclosed witnesses" and put jon357 to a Interpol red list.


I have to agree. Fortunately, there is experienced guys from Wagner that is able to talk with any idiot with success. ;)

It is quite amazing how we in the west question our media but you Russians are just prepared to accept all the nonsense and lies that you are fed as the truth!

There has been plenty of evidence of Russian poisonings,where Russians have form, they also have form with people falling out of windows from a height,drowning in swimming pools or in air crashes or road accidents but also by shooting........LOL!!

Your country is a joke and is getting close to losing the war in Ukraine and perhaps much more....

Russians are the most critical consumers of information there are. We see a conspiracy behind every event. We believe nothing! Not even our eyes!

Judging Russian information hygiene based on polemics with Bobko and Velund on PolishForums is not a good idea.

Perhaps among the well educated minority.

But that's just not true of ordinary Russians.

@Miloslaw

Was being a bit facetious, but also... not really. Not just Russians, but Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakhs etc have all been trained by life to expect that those in charge are constantly lying to us. This led to the formation of all sorts of coping mechanisms. The archetypical reaction is simply to ignore whatever the government is doing. The logic being, if I don't participate in their games, then I am not tainted by their stench.

Rallying behind our governments during a time of war is another thing entirely.

And how many ordinary Russians you know in person, to make such far reaching conclusions?

Bootlickers don't need evidence. The boots tell them all they need to know. Anything beyond this is known as a right-wing conspiracy.


Trusting their governments is Rule 1 in the world of Western bootlickers. Just look around here...

What? I thought Russians had a deep, genetically encoded, affection for truth! ;)

Why would a democratic state need to 'disclose' the evidence they have in an open criminal case?


Basically yes, and lies are normal and n r*SSia.

Wow, what a load of spectacular bullsh1t! :D ✨
RuSSians are swallowing RuSSian state propaganda like pelicans (of course I don't mean the anti-Putinists) :D




No, it isn't. It doesn't matter if it's about a war or anything else - RuSSians are equally brainwashed about all sorts of stuff.


It's not just about being educated or not. There are educated RuSSians who are f*cked up too and they repeat RuSSian state propaganda word for word.

Another Polish genius that knows what's inside Russian heads. You, Poles are special, and not in a good way.

I don't know any Russians but I do know Poles who lived in "communist" Poland. Not a single one was brainwashed.

Now, Western woke Bolsheviks ... well, that's another story altogether. I have seen them and even talked to one yesterday when she assured me that a 265-pound, 6-foot-2-inch dude with a massive erection is a woman if he says he is.

In the darkest days of Stalinism, we didn't fall that low.

Today, Poland and Poles are brainwashed to believe that the war in Ukraine is about "freedom and democracy". What a bunch of imbeciles...
I am glad I am out and have nothing to do with you. Too embarrassing...Like children clinging to the image of Santa...

That's one of our tasks on this earth - to know what's in Russian heads and inform the world about it. :)


It's more about stopping aggressive imperialism. When that's done, we might have to worry about stopping aggressive nationalism, but that's another topic altogether (and for a different thread about a different war probably).

@GefreiterKania

I'll take imperialism over nationalism, any day of the week. In fact, I think the world lost a lot with the passing of most historical empires.

I'd rather dispense with both.


Hm... the only two empires that this might be true about are The First Rzeczpospolita and Austro-Hungary. As for others, good riddance.

@GefreiterKania

Let's discuss the Ottoman Empire - as neutral ground for both.

Then - the people there killed each other, at a rate far, far lower than in the present - when almost each nationality has its own borders. Arbitrary lines drawn in the sand by English and French politicians that had often not even visited the territory they were carving up, are now important enough to the locals that they are willing to kill countless numbers to preserve/alter them.

Commerce thrived, as merchants prefer to deal with as few barriers as possible.

Science advanced - because there was enough of a "domestic" critical mass to be able to skim the "cream" off many millions and gather them in one place.

International prestige was higher, leading to all sorts of mundane but important benefits for the empire's travelling citizens.

And so on, and so forth. How have the majority of the countries of the Middle East, except for those isolated tribes that were fortunate enough to be born atop an ocean of oil, benefited from being free of Turkish or Persian control?

Neutral? Do you realise that Poland fought many bloody wars against the Ottomans, and the population of our border lands suffered immensely from Turkish invasions? I won't even mention your best pals Serbs (or Bulgarians) - ask them what they think about the Turkish rule. I'd rather have lines drawn in the sand and one desert tribe killing another desert tribe than constant invasions from an aggressive empire.

True, the Ottomans opposed the partitions of Poland but apart from that - good riddance.


When I stop worrying about Poland and think about what's better for the majority of Middle East countries instead, it will be a very sad day indeed.