Stop the SS!!!!

@Novichok, you know, it's funny, when you remind Russians (like Velund, for example) of the negative role of the Soviet Union in history, they suddenly turn into Soviet Union's victims and blame everybody else - the Jews, Georgians (Stalin was Georgian! lol), poor Russians couldn't do anything, nothing depended on them, they were ruled by others, etc. But when it's about space race or "liberating Europe from Nazis" it's suddenly "Russia did it!", even though it was still the same Soviet Union lol :)))


Actually it all started with German rockets and both the Soviets and Americans used German scientists at first :):

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Race

Yeah, why not those three first, second, or third in space. Instead, wine, cheese, beer, and overcooked meat, plus lots of refugees.
Instead, it was the "Mongols" - the crude subhumans that know nothing and have nothing.
OK, I got it...Gagarin was just CGI. And so was Valentina Tereshkova. Back in 1963.....I didn't know that they had CGI then...those damn Mongols.

@Novichok
Russians are not mongols.
@Paulina
Of course most depended on Russians. Otherwise the communism in Russia would have never existed. But Stalin WAS Georgian

@RussianAntiPutin;
russians are not Mongols, but the russian collective mentality is far removed from the European mentality. It is different with some single Russians who can match (like you?).

By this comment, are you suggesting that I said Russians are Mongols?


It is this "European collective mentality" that still enables and abets the flood. I would take the "barbarians" and "Mongols" like me who would shoot them at the border before the nice and kind Euros.

The amazing thing is that killing the first dozen would stop the flood and actually save lives. The idiocy of rescuing them AND bringing them to your OWN shores is beyond imbecilic. "Barbarians" are a lot smarter.

:):):)

I don't understand why this is an insult. Perhaps because I'm a Mongolophile. I would love to be Mongol. A tiny population, that commands an enormous territory to this day. In the past, when they were similarly tiny in comparison to all their neighbors - they managed to conquer half the known world (still the largest empire in history). Despite killing untold millions, they were the first to tie Eurasia into one political unit - spurring trade, and with it the spread of technology and institutions.

Mongols are an incredible race! I'm in awe of their traditional throat singing, which is also still practiced by our Tuvans and Buryats in Russia.

The Poles and the Ukrainians however prefer to stay distant from them.

Exactly. No fekking ballets or opera until RuSSists give up their sick obsessions.

It is not. When you talk about Russia.
Some people find it offensive and the most stupid onces are getting offended on Russia behave.

Quite. It leaves an unpleasant taste in the mouth. The (frankly tasteless) r*SSian arts are overshadowed by Bucha, Mariupol, Oleniwka and more.

@Bobko
It is basically saying Russians are inferior non-Slavs.
@jon357
Ukrainians before war are very interconnected with Russians. Every second Russian has family in Ukraine, basically.

Ukrainians are true Sons of Europe and every one who sacrifices themselves to help stop the Mongol Horde is a hero.

As long as the rest of us don't have to support their widows and kids.
Thinning out the herd is good but with some disclaimers. Even Darwin would agree with me.
Bottom line: Want to be a hero? Good. Do it while still single and childless.

But they're defending not just their own independence, but ours as well.

We defend "our" independence with a regular army. Private heroes are PITA. Just like vigilantes.
"Their" independence is their problem. As a reminder, there are 200 theirs on the globe.

Many of them hated r*SSia with a passion. In any case, that boat has well and truly sailed.


I've got family in Illinois but I've never felt the need to invade the place.

Anyway. Many Ukrainian people have relatives in r*SSia. And Ukraine are not currently occupying r*SSia, threatening nukes, beheading or blowing up PoWs or abducting families.

If you consider it a good pretext to invade another country, then you failed, I am afraid. It isn`t.


Defenders of Europe like Poles in the past. Amasing. .

Yes, because Slavs are just the bee's knees and everyone wants to be a Slav.

Who cares what these racists think?

They harp on about Slavs because Poland is 99.999999999999% Slav, so it is only logical they should be engaging in such navel gazing. The same way Japanese people think, that being Japanese is the greatest gift the heavens can bestow (99% Japanese). Japan maintains its monoethnicity through strict immigration controls, and Poland maintains its through being a country no one wants to emigrate to.

Russia is a normal large country, like the USA, or France, or Germany - with a diverse population and a culture enriched through the melding of myriad ethnic influences. It would be rude towards non-Slavic Russians, especially our Asian Russians (Buryats, Tuvans, Kalmyks, Khakass, Bashkirs, Tatars, etc) to constantly proclaim the superiority of all things Slavic.

Only people that desire for Russia to fall apart into pieces talk about "Russia for Russians", or insist on making all our other ethnicities embrace Slav-ness.

@Bobko, Poland is (or rather was) so monoethnic due to Holocaust, Yalta Conference and the deportations during and after the World War II.

Russia is multiethnic not because it's a "normal" country that everyone somehow wants to emigrate to, but because Russians invaded/took over the lands of the indigenous peoples.

@Paulina

Ehrm, no. Until very recently, Russia was the number two emigration destination in the world after the United States.

Here is UN data from 2013 showing this:

esa.un.org/miggmgprofiles/indicators/files/Russia.pdf

Also, here's an article from an American publication:

nationalinterest.org/node/2624

A quote from the article:

According to UN Population Division estimates, as of 2013, the Russian Federation was second only to the United States in the sheer number of immigrants. This is a fact that continues to elude many Americans as, justifiably or not, Russia is commonly thought of as a place to leave rather than a place to which to move.

Just this year, despite a war, Russia received 4 million plus labor migrants, which is more than last year (COVID has something to do with this, perhaps).

Since our own population is dropping at quite a fast clip, these immigrants are necessary to keep our population at 145-150 million (no one knows the true number of immigrants because their are many, many undocumented migrants). As time goes on, Russia will be even more multiethnic.

Some racist Russians are bothered by this, but I personally don't mind. The more, the better. We need a large population to stay relevant and not become a Poland or Ukraine.

@Bobko, ah, yes, I know what kind of immigration you're talking about :) All those immigrants are coming from the poor countries around Russia, because it's easy for them to get into Russia and stay there, even illegally. It's not so easy to get into the EU though, including Poland, as you can see by the example of what's going on on the Polish-Belarusian border.

@Paulina

Please tell me, dear racist, what makes a Tajik, Kyrgyz, Kazakh, Uzbek, Armenian, Georgian, or Azeri worse than a Libyan, Guatemalan, El Salvadoran, Mexican, Syrian, or Ghanaian?

They may not speak perfect Russian, or pray in the same church, and they may not have the highest level of education - but their kids are perfect Russians. I have seen this with my own eyes a million times. Little Uzbek or Armenian children speaking perfect Moscow-accented Russian, and playing with other ethnic Russian kids without anyone stopping to think who is from what country originally.

Of course, it would be nice if Germans, or Danes, or Swedes started to emigrate to Russia, but unfortunately they do not come. They don't go to America in any serious numbers either, it seems. Strange people, that like to live in their own country.

@Bobko, nothing makes them worse - what I'm wondering about though is, given a chance and knowing both countries, would they rather live in Russia or Poland?

I made this remark because of your ignorant comment about Poland:


Over 1 million Ukrainians moved to Poland even before the invasion. So that's clearly not "noone".


And here's the thing - are they really emigrating to Russia or mainly just to Moscow?


Not strange really, Western Europe is the ultimate immigration destination for a reason - why would they leave countries everyone seems to want to get into?

Actually, most of them go anywhere but Moscow. Moscow is expensive, and already overcrowded. The city proper has a population of nearly 13M, while the metro area contains 20M people.

Russia has 15 cities with a population larger than 1M, and many more smaller cities. The migrants are spread out throughout, typically working as cleaners, construction workers, plumbers/carpenters, drivers, fishermen, loggers, cash register clerks, etc.


The economic potential of Poland and Russia cannot be compared. It's much easier to become rich in Russia than in Poland. It's much easier and more useful to learn Russian.


Geez, relax. I get called an orc ten times a day, and I can't make a joke about no one emigrating to Poland? You got balls trying to sell me on Poland, when a good percentage of your male population left the country since EU accession in 2004.

I suspect Ukrainians view Poland as a gateway to Europe, of sorts. The first stop on the road, if you will.

1. Potential is one thing, the reality is another.
2. There's much bigger gap between the rich and the poor in Russia than in Poland.
3. And it's not just about money. It's also about the quality and standard of living, the infrastructure, the maintanance of the neighbourhoods where people are living in, level of corruption, the way people behave and are treating you, etc. In all of those cases Poland seems to be a better destination than Russia. Those are not my fantasies - I'm writing this based on what Russians who moved to Poland are saying.


Because you deserve it.


I also thought that, and probably it is the case to some extent, but many stayed and even many refugees are staying.

For example, I'm watching a YouTube channel of a Russian-speaking Ukrainian from Mariupol who moved to Poland two years ago, for example. She's making her videos in Russian, so I'm guessing it's mainly for the Russian-speaking viewers. She's completely smitten with Poland.

That's maybe not so strange, but there's another YouTube channel that I'm watching which is more surprising - a Ukrainian guy who moved to the US with his family when he was a kid and grew up in New York (he even talks like a New Yorker lol), lived for some time in California and other places in the world moved back to Ukraine, to Kyiv. But when Russia invaded he fled to Poland with his girlfriend. And he fell in love with Warsaw. He often makes comparisons on his channel - Poland vs the US vs Ukraine, so that's quite interesting.

Here's one of his videos (in English) in which he walks around Warsaw and talks about the differences between Poland and Eastern Europe:

One major correction - it probably WAS.
But not anymore. Have you dropped from the moon? The sanctions will gradually diminish your economy to Iran level.

Wait just a minute...Some clown here just said that in Russia you have no property rights. So what's up with that...

@Novichok

Hahaha. If you want to live in a country that doesn't respect property rights, it's hard to think of a better place than Ukraine. How many billionaires in Ukraine, actually live in Ukraine or do not immediately take cash out of the country as soon as they earn it? 100%? How many billion dollar companies exist in Ukraine, that are not called Naftogaz or are not privatized metallurgical plants?

@Bobko, did you watch that video I linked to in this comment?: :)

polishforums.com/off-topic/stop-87372/4/#msg1868442