Stop the SS!!!!

Oddly enough yes.


Yes. The same.

Most people however deal with that in ways other than opening their legs to some seedy old man with 'influence'.

@jon357
Most people don't spend half of their childhoods away from family to attempt to have a career, with the guarantee of injury and almost guarantee of lifelong physical issues.

It's the fault of the ballet system, not the dancers.

Fortunately so. Perhaps it's high time to end the ruSSian style of ballet once and for all if there's a suggestion of exploitation of children (how much did you say you weighed?) and then the 'dancers' becoming prostitutes in order to get work.


When a system is at fault, it's time to end that system or at the very least radically reform it.

There are two, actually. Bolshoi and Vaganova. And the style isn't the problem, the way the dancers are treated is. The styles in Russian ballet are beautiful and very important.


The correct weight for my height - 45kg. The ballet academies have specific requirements for weight and body type, of course. No one would pay to see a dancer with an incorrect body type.


They aren't prostitutes, they're ballet dancers.


The schools don't force them to audition. And they're not exploited, they're privileged, they have the best teachers and even get to dance on the company stages (for example, Vaganova students dance in the Mariinsky and sometimes Mikhailovsky).

The first bit I agree with. For the second bit, I'd say that not fúcking up peoples lives and health is more important than artistic 'importance'. Are you familiar with the U.K. ballet company Adventures in Motion Pictures? I've seen them a few times. Flat shoes, no anorexics and their Nutcracker was amazing.


When you posted your weight, height and age hee, I was a bit shocked and put it into a BMI calculator. 45kg is very underweight and would warrant medical intervention in Western Europe.


Most prostitutes are something else too. It's not a defined career path. If they're having sex with seedy men in order to get material advantage then they are however prostituting themselves whether they're a student doctor, a dancer (most titty dancers are btw classically trained) or a washerwoman. If they have sex for money, food or work, they are prostituting themselves. In St Petersburg there is a very long history of it.

It's normally just a torn knee ligament or Achilles tendonitis and a few surgeries! And ballet dancers are happy, it's something people want to do because they love ballet and want to dedicate their lives to it.


That's weird for a woman to do. Pointe shoes only really damage the feet if they don't fit correctly (admittedly, most of the time).


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I'll forgive you, a lot of people think this. Ballet dancers are humans who eat, just with a very specific body type of lean muscle and nearly no fat. Could you exercise for 10 hours per day 6 day per week eating nothing? No? Ballet dancers aren't different in that way. Humans (yes, ballet dancers are human, who knew) can't either.


Weight requirement for Vaganova at 167cm is 45.1kg +/- 1kg. Nothing outside of that. Ballet requires a very specific body type, a very small build (not in height, that should be in the 160s-70s) lean muscle and almost no fat. People without the correct body type are not accepted if they're auditioning or expelled (not just randomly, there are fewer places each class, there are always people who are expelled every year) if they just developed the wrong way. Even the toe shape/length is considered. No one wants to see a dancer without the correct body type.

Eating disorders.


That's severely underweight. In the lowest percentile.


Perhaps in r*SSia.

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Sometimes! Most of the time, no. Ballet dancers are 80% non disordered. It. Is. A. Myth.


Russia. No, other countries it's mainly the same, not as strict a lot, but still there. Same with the schools, though the styles are different and some in the West (e.g. Royal Ballet School) require previous training rather than no training needed, although that isn't the case with many (e.g. Paris Opéra, La Scala, SAB). Ballet everywhere has body type requirements (interestingly almost the exact opposite of the ones in Petipa's time, when "plump" was a compliment to a ballerina), like hyperextention in knees (a nice line but it's hard to work with) and long limbs, a small head, good turnout, well arched feet (makes pointework extra hard, I know from my own extreme experience), a long neck, long toes, long flexible Achilles tendons (does anything else have toe and Achilles tendons requirements?), etc. Almost no one has the right birth requirements (of course not everyone in ballet has all) to become a ballet dancer, and even most who do never become dancers. It's a very brutal world, people do what they can to advance.

presumably rest ably the ones you mention who are 45kg and 167cm are in the 20%.

Though 20% of ballet dancers having an eating disorder is a massive statistic in itself.


Diifferent and unpleasant traditions developed in r*SSia. In the west there are professional dancers who are fatter than average. Remember, the audience look at the choreography, the costumes, the staging and listen to the music.

Nobody cares about the individual performers and few can even name them.

Oh that's just a guess, not an official statistic. It's not really measurable, though some studies have said 1 in 5.


No. I know a few dancers the same, I don't think they have eating disorders. With an eating disorder they'd likely be around 42.5kg at 167. That isn't nice looking and in a school is not allowed because of requirements and in a company strongly discouraged. Very low weight dancers often can't turn well or hold balances or stay stable etc., none of that is good.


True, even prima ballerinas (e.g. Núñez, Osipova, Misty Copeland though she's disgustingly bad). The closest to Russia in that way is France and even then not so much. It influences promotions (example, Maria Bulanova is only a second soloist) or a place in a company. This is also the same in other countries, just not to such a level.


Which are often terrible. Look at Paris Opéra Ballet's Don Quixote Act III and compare to Mariinsky or Royal Ballet (RB has beautiful costumes in Don Quixote).

I hope it's an exggerated guess.

Mind you, if even half that percentage have an eating disorder it is still shocking.


Now that is subjective.


No. It is r*SSian.

The Mariinsky (formerly the Kirov and Imperial Ballet) is one of the most important ballet companies in the world, modern and historically. In the late 19th century, it was the theatre Petipa (don't worry, he wasn't an evil r*SSian) created many of his ballets

(Sleeping Beauty, Raymonda, etc.) there. In the Soviet era there were new ballets, revised versions, etc., and many excellent dancers (Dudinskaya, Kurgapkina, Kolpakova, Nureyev, Soloviev, etc.). Currently the Mariinsky is a leading ballet company in Russia and worldwide. But I suppose that isn't good enough because it's "r*SSian", politics above all.

It's r*SSian. Controlled by a pariah state and therefore internationally irrelevant for the foreseeable future.


Peace and decency above all. If they stop invading neighbours and murdering civilian women with their arms tied behind their back, their cultural output will be less distasteful.

That "r*SSian" is so fu*cking clever you should have a copyright for it. Your kids would be proud of you if you had them.

BTW, as far as kids, try a woman. You do know Darwin's definition of insanity?

I see I'm taking to someone who knows nothing about ballet. Even in the Soviet times everyone in ballet knew about the Mariinsky (well, Kirov), and the famous dancers. It can't be irrelevant! Russian ballet will never be irrelevant in ballet. Considering all ballet coming from Russia, there would be none of the Russian dancers who work abroad, no tours of Russian companies (which happened even in Soviet times, by the way), no Swan Lake, Nutcracker, Sleeping Beauty, Raymonda, Don Quixote, La Bayadère, Romeo and Juliet, etc.


You mean idiotic?

In America, "clever" is an insult so yes, it's idiotic. But you already know it...

Really?! I thought it was the same as smart!

Clever was Trump, smart was Clinton, or what?

If not an insult, it's at least a putdown. "Oh, you are so clever"...is no reason to be proud of if spoken with that special intonation bordering on sarcasm.

Unless being sly and cunning are positive traits in your mind.

@Novichok
I didn't know that.

Don't let him play innocent with you Novi.
He's a master at it.

It is.
What do you have against it?
It so well describes the current Russian regime.
You can't deny that unless you are a complete fool.

Russians removed the SS from Poland and we were grateful. That's what.

More than you think, and no, the r*SSian iteration of formalised dance is to ay the least flawed. You keep posting about r*SSian stuff and did indeed appear here shortly after the r$SSian invasion of Ukraine. The world of dance is far more than anorexics wearing bad shoes who sleep with patrons and wear tutus.


Twåt was trumpet.


I do, and neither support r*SSia.

Here is proof you don't know what you're talking about.


There's nothing wrong with their shoes? Normal pointe shoes, same kinds as other countries.
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Only in rehearsal and performance, and even then not always, and absolutely never in class, that would be ridiculous.

Unneccesary.


Is there anything else that matters?

Unless they have your DNA and you raised them, you don't.


Why do you discuss anything with those who insult Russia and Russians?

Because he is Scottish, not Russian.

Just playing along and looking for inconsistencies...If he wants to be a Russian, he should act like one.

The SS will keep rolling across Europe until the feckless Eurotards/NATO grow some balls and actually do something about it.

The Democrat controlled MSM stopped reporting on the Ukraine and is only focused on abortions and transgender rights in the USA now.