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Bobko 25 | 1,942
15 Aug 2022 #121
@Paulina

To be honest, no. Perhaps when I have more time. However, I did notice in your description...

He often makes comparisons on his channel - Poland vs the US vs Ukraine

... that Russia was not included. Moscow has the finest dining in the world, some of the best museums to be found anywhere, incredible choice of other cultural venues, magnificent parks, and a thriving business scene.







Paulina 16 | 4,261
15 Aug 2022 #122
@Bobko, that's a pity, I thought that as someone living in New York you'd find that video interesting, considering that this guy is a New Yorker :)

that Russia was not included.

That's because you wrote that you suspect Ukrainians "view Poland as a gateway to Europe" and that guy came from Ukraine and decided to stay in Poland and not move to the West, even though he knows the West. In that video he's giving his reasons why he decided to stay with his girlfriend in Poland (and now they have a baby too).

Moscow

Moscow is just one city :)) What about other cities? And towns and villages? The whole huge country of Russia? Everyone can't live in just one city, you wrote yourself that Moscow is overcrowded. And there's still the mentality of people, the corruption, etc. even in Moscow.

Now here's a thing, I've learned something about how things are in Eastern Europe vs Poland thanks to watching videos of people who moved from Eastern Europe to Poland. Especially that Russian guy from Transnistria, Roman, explained it well in his videos. According to him in Eastern Europe it's all about the capital of the country. Everyone is moving to the capital, everything is about the capital city and the rest of the country is neglected. The same pattern can be observed within a city - the city centre is taken care of in order to look nice and the rest of the city is neglected. It isn't the case in Poland (according to him and other Russians and Ukrainians of whom videos I've watched).

So, in Russia it's all about Moscow and similarly in Ukraine it's all about Kyiv - that's where everyone is moving to or wants to move.

I don't know, maybe it's changing now in case of Moscow, because as you say it's overcrowded, but I knew from both Russians themselves and Poles living in Moscow, that everyone, even within Russia, was moving to Moscow, as if there were no other cities (maybe exept for St. Petersburg to some degree). What's the state of the rest of the country? What is the quality of life like and the standard of living? Are neighbourhoods where ordinary people live well taken care of? What about small towns and villages?
Miloslaw 19 | 4,664
15 Aug 2022 #123
someone living in New York

That says a lot about the hypocrisy that is Bobko.
Why New York?
What is wrong with Moscow?

What's the state of the rest of the country? What is the quality of life like and the standard of living?

£hit.....and that is why Bobko is in New York....he knows it, we know it, but is he man enough to admit it?
Bobko 25 | 1,942
15 Aug 2022 #124
What's the state of the rest of the country?

It's impossible to generalize for the entire country. Russia is not Andorra or Luxembourg, but a large country with a population the size of the entirety of Eastern Europe. It's like asking an American - yes Washington DC is nice, but what about the rest of the country?

Every place is different. Some big oil extracting oblast (our word for state) like Tyumen, has very high living standards, while a state like Ingushetia (neighbor of Chechnya) or the Jewish Autonomous Oblast (Far East, next to China) have very low living standards. Some places are experiencing a renaissance, like Kazan and Sochi, while others are struggling as they were built around a single factory or industry which is no longer needed - like Magnitogorsk. Life in the villages is different from place to place as well depending on the opportunities available in agriculture or other relevant industry. A village beyond the Arctic circle that used to thrive on Soviet subsidies and support may be near collapse, while a different one in the Rostov region might be experiencing the best time in its history as wheat harvests grow from year to year (in Soviet times the USSR was a wheat IMPORTER, which is ridiculous). In brief, it's impossible to generalize how 150 million people live.
Miloslaw 19 | 4,664
15 Aug 2022 #125
@Bobko

Answer the question.
Why do you prefer New York to Moscow?
If you don't answer, you will lose all credibility.
Bobko 25 | 1,942
15 Aug 2022 #126
lot about the hypocrisy that is Bobko

Interesting. Did I sh!t on NYC anywhere? Also, do you approach every German in London and say, "Haha, why London and not Berlin?" - without knowing anything about why they are in London, or what brought them there? Do you approach every French person and say, "What are you doing in London you cheese-eating surrender monkey?". Do you realize how stupid you would sound?

Why do you prefer New York to Moscow?

I never said I prefer New York you dimwit. I live in New York now, because it is where I happen to be earning my money. If later I will be working in Hong Kong, will you ask me again - why I prefer Hong Kong over Moscow?

Hey guys, Miloslaw has a great idea - everyone return back to wherever they were born and just stay there permanently, otherwise you are a hypocrite.
Miloslaw 19 | 4,664
15 Aug 2022 #127
I will ignore.your BS intro, because that is all it was.

quote=Bobko]I prefer New York you dimwit. I live in New York now, because it is where I happen to be earning my money[/quote]
More.than you can make in Moscow?
Bobko 25 | 1,942
15 Aug 2022 #128
More.than you can make in Moscow?

In point of fact, in my specific case - no. I could actually make more money in Moscow, with my specific set of skills. However, I am a responsible person and cannot leave my company and my employees mid-way just because I realize that there is more money for me in Moscow now. First I need to finish what I began here, before I can move back permanently (if that's what I decide to do, instead of moving to a place like HK, or Singapore, which I've entertained).

If I was a software engineer, or a fashion designer, or an investment banker - I would certainly make more money in New York than in Moscow. I won't say exactly what I do, because people here can be creeps and start putting together my biography, but I assure you that I am not being cheeky when I say I could make more money in Moscow.
Miloslaw 19 | 4,664
15 Aug 2022 #129
More.than you can make in Moscow?
In point of fact, in my specific case - no. I could actually make more money in Moscow,

Then move back.
You are not welcome in the west.
Paulina 16 | 4,261
15 Aug 2022 #130
@Bobko, the US is no Andorra or Luxembourg either - the American population is at least two times larger than Russian and there are other cities that people are moving to, not just the capital city.

And, btw, even though the US has much bigger population than Russia there are "only" 7.8 million people living in Washington, and New York City, which is not the capital, is the most populous city in the United States - 8,804,190 million.

Let's have a look at other cities then. I'll just pick a random one that I recall from movies - Seattle - with population of 741,251. I know about that city only because of a romantic comedy "Sleepless in Seattle" lol

Seattle:

Seattle

What's a comparable city in Russia? Besides of Moscow and St Petersburg I think I only heard of Irkutsk, so let's take Irkutsk as example since it has a similar population - 623,869 according to an estimate for 2018.

Irkutsk:

Irkutsk

Hmm, it doesn't look very impressive, at least compared to Seattle... Do you know of a better example of a city in Russia?

I am a responsible person and cannot leave my company and my employees mid-way

What do you mean by "your company"? Are you working for a foreign company or do you mean that you own this company?
Bobko 25 | 1,942
15 Aug 2022 #131
@Miloslaw

My money is certainly welcome in the West, even if I am not. That sounds closer to the definition of hypocrisy.

Would be nice if the UK returned the hundreds of billions it received in investment from Russia over the last thirty years, instead of sh!tting on Germany for relying on Russian gas imports while making an honest living. Anglos slinging the word "hypocrisy" is really quite laughable.

And, btw, even though the US has much bigger population than Russia there are "only"

It seems you are forgetting that Moscow was the capital of a country that had a bigger population than the USA as recently as 1991. Just because the country fell apart, doesn't mean I the city should immediately shrink in size.

Google quote:

The U.S.' population grew from around 205 million to almost 250 million people between 1970 and 1990, while the USSR's population grew from around 240 to 290 million in this time.
Miloslaw 19 | 4,664
15 Aug 2022 #132
My money is certainly welcome in the West

Not by me.....take it back to Moscow.
The FBI need to kick you and all Russians out.
Paulina 16 | 4,261
15 Aug 2022 #133
@Bobko, in 1991 the population of the USSR was 289.1 million. The US population in 1991 - 253 million, so not such a striking difference.

If I found the correct info the population of Moscow in 1991 was around 9 million.

New York in 1990 - 7,322,564.

And nowadays:

Russia - 146,066,672.
Moscow - 12.6 million.

USA - 332,403,650
New York - 8.865 million.

What do you mean by "your company"?

Bobko?
Bobko 25 | 1,942
15 Aug 2022 #134
@Paulina

As mentioned above, would really rather not go into my personal life. What difference does it make to you if I work for a company, or own a company?

Regarding the Moscow population numbers, you can see from your own numbers that the ratio in size between NYC and Moscow pretty closely tracked the difference in population between the USA and USSR. The reason Moscow exploded in such a way post-1991 is of course in no small part due to the concentration of wealth there, but also due to the so called "stranded colonial elites" in places like Baku, Kiev, Tbilisi, Alma-Ata, Minsk, etc making their way back to the Metropole in the aftermath of the collapse.

In many ways, Moscow is still the business and cultural capital of the entire CIS region. Perhaps this war will change that, but you would be surprised how the entire former Soviet Union still meets in Moscow to do business. Not just through force of habit, but also because it's where the money is. You don't need to go to Moscow if you run a car repair shop, or a small retail store (but it's likely your distributor's hq is there), but if you want to do actual big business than all roads lead to Moscow. Tell me it's not the same with NYC.

These two cities suck up all the talent and money from their respective regions, and it becomes a never ending feedback loop. This is not to say that people in St. Petersburg or Chicago sit with their thumbs up their asses, but they're just not the same.
pawian 221 | 24,014
15 Aug 2022 #135
Moscow was the capital of a country that had a bigger population than the USA as recently as 1991.

Yes, that is why RuSSists are dreaming of reviving the USSR. Outrun the USA in anything!!! Even bigger population will be trumpeted as a giant success. hahahaha 30% Russians take a poop in outhouses as they don`t have a toilet at home, but it doesn`t matter coz their New Soviet population will be bigger!!! hahahaha
Bobko 25 | 1,942
15 Aug 2022 #136
@Paulina

Also, this could all be just a question of how you define the city. NY metro area has a population north of 20M. Moscow was recently expanded by adding to it a territory almost the same size as the city proper. This new area is called New Moscow. Link: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Moscow,_Moscow

Don't really care to go into the nitty gritty, but you get it. LA Metro area, also, must be at least 15M as well.
Paulina 16 | 4,261
15 Aug 2022 #137
@Bobko, you wrote about your girlfriend and your cousin on this forum, so I don't see how stating whether you work for some company or you own your own is more personal. 🤔

The difference is - if you worked for a foreign company or Russian one that sent you to New York - that would be understandable.

But if you chose on purpose to work in New York or even set up your own company there - the question would be "why"? Why not Moscow, if it's so great?

pretty closely tracked the difference in population between the USA and USSR.

In 1991 - yes. But after the break up of the USSR Russia was left with a smaller population and it still has a significantly smaller population than the US and yet Moscow has now over 3 million more people than New York.

entire former Soviet Union still meets in Moscow to do business.

"Meets", not lives there. So that wouldn't explain such a population increase.

And anyway, is there no business in other cities besides Moscow? Why do they meet only in Moscow?
Paulina 16 | 4,261
15 Aug 2022 #138
Also, this could all be just a question of how you define the city.

No, I was talking about the city proper in both cases.

NY metro area has a population north of 20M.

New York metro area - 18,867,000.

Moscow metro area - around 20 million.

These two cities suck up all the talent and money from their respective regions

Maybe from a region in case of New York, but not from the whole country - at least not to the extent that it seems to be happening in case of Moscow.
OP RussianAntiPutin 8 | 242
19 Aug 2022 #139
@Miloslaw
What?! All Russians out? That's crazy, like all Jews out. Being Russian doesn't make someone evil.

Give a LOGICAL argument as to why Russians should be kicked out, it will be hard though (human logic, not dumb PF "logic"
jon357 74 | 21,770
19 Aug 2022 #140
Why not Moscow, if it's so great?

Despite r*SSia's official lies, their withholding of economic data and their manipulation of statistics, their economy has tanked and is getting far worse

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