USA News and Poland - part 15

Your English comprehension sucks...


Bying and selling = trading as a composite of two transactions: buying AND selling at the same time.

If buying OR selling was trading, the quoted by you phrase would be:

Trading is buying OR selling

...as separate transactions. Each being an act of trading in itself and separate from the other. We do it every single day - we buy things we need.

We rarely trade X for Y.

Yes, as a customer you go to a shop to buy things. But the shop is selling you things. And this exchange between customers and a shop is called trade. In Polish: handel.

Buying + selling = trade.


Not both. Trading is "buying + selling".


No, it doesn't. You were the one who claimed this nonsense:


Which is simply not true. Trading can and these days most often does involve money. 🙄🤦

It does nowadays...... you are somewhat out of touch, your trading is called bartering..... what they do in Russia and other underdeveloped nations......

You are right, typical of poor countries and societies.

Exactly!

Hey, econ morons, trading is not the same as buying.

When A and B trade carrots and potatoes, it is sustainable.

When A buys from B, it is not sustainable, because one day A will run ouf of cash and will have to sell his farm or part of it to B. That's the US and China today.

We sell them beans and they buy American land and US Treasuries and thus own us to the extent that made Trump say enough.

Hence, tariffs to make sure China will not be able to buy America and turn us into renters.

BTW, Nnbody ever said: I have a trade deficit with the store down the street. Why? Because trading and buying are two different things and so are the consequences.

True,but trading is only for poor economies, like Russia.


Not if A has enough cash.


A good point, none of us need to let China buy any more.


I kind of get the point you are trying to make, but you are not making it very well.

The USA and Europe buys far too much from China, because it is cheap.That has to stop.

The US doesn't have enough cash and that's why if the US were a company, it would be bankrupt, seized, and sold to the highest bidder.


It's "cheap" if we don't include social consequences. I already said what those are so I will not do it again.

The same is true of "cheap" migrant labor. It's cheap if you exclude migrant healthcare, education, crime, and welfare.

BTW, never once did I see "trader" on any contract I was a party to.

It was always "Buyer" and "Seller". Two different people, two different operations.

Never Trader A and Trader B.

President Donald Trump and El Salvador's President Nayib Bukele led a united defense in the Oval Office on Monday as they defended keeping a Maryland man in a notorious megaprison after the Supreme Court ordered his return to the U.S.

El Salvador - a real friend and an ally of the US.

Europe is a US liability.

President Bukele, you are the man we need in the White House after Trump. Never mind US Constitution. We had an azzfvcker from Kenya so I don't see a problem.

My crude language is a response to some of the utter stupidity of making up names and mispellings for baseless arguments and twisted talking points of globalists. Still, no one wants to say why the EU tariffs are ok, and US are not. The tariffs should be higher in the US to make up for decades of getting screwed by the EU, Canada and Mexico. That screwing in large part made possible by Democratic presidents over the years who for some reason thought that taking it up the a$$ was a good idea to make the US look generous to other countries. Now, when one real president who has nothing to lose comes in and trys changing things, every globalist is up in arms.

China, who kills people and jails people for life if selling drugs, exports more fentanyl meant for the USA than any other country, knowing it will go to the USA. Mexico and Canada are cheap labor compared to the US, so US companies have fvcked US workers by moving their factories there, and still keeping auto prices high after getting US bailouts. Now those same US companies complain about everything. The time for not giving a fvck for what any country thinks, or what any company thinks is long over due. All these countries and companies profiting off the US because of bad leadership in the past should pay. If not, then they can go out of business, and someone will replace them. I have no sense of nostalgia for Ford, GM or any other company. I do have a sense of nostalgia for what the US used to be, and returning to the values that made it the world leader. Anyone not wanting a strong US, wants a world full of waring tribes and freakshows.

Raising taxes should solve the problem?
Trump should have two questions. What are tax rises supposed to do? followed by why the f*ck dont they do that?

Here are the facts. FOR GENERATIONS the USA ORDERED the EU NOT to develop their own army!

Trump and Vance have re-written history. What do American policy at the end of the 1956 Suez Canal crisis, America's NATO policy at the end of the Cold War in 1991, and America's stance on the UK-Franco policy under Tony Blair all have in common? They're all when America shouted DON'T YOU DARE BUILD A UNITED EU MILITARY COMMAND THAT CAN FUNCTION WITHOUT US!

GENERATIONS of American Presidents and top military commanders have kept the EU fragmented and dependent on American leadership of NATO. They disguised it as 'specializing' various European countries to tiny bits here and there. But they kept it divided and dependent. The EU have no united Command nor Military Industrial Complex, which keeps them:-
Dependent on American leadership and power and essential structural services to bring the whole thing together.
Dependent on the American Made. America makes 105 TIMES more revenue in weapons sales to the EU than it cost America to invest in NATO. EU buys $60 bn of American weapons each year! America gets 105 TIMES more out of NATO than it costs!
If that's the case - why was Obama asking the EU to increase their military spend to 2% and Trump to 5%? Answer? Greed!
The EU buys 64% of their military hardware from the USA. Uncle Sam wants a bigger paycheque - even if it bankrupts various EU nations in the process!
Well now Trump's gone too far - and been too rude. It's going to backfire on the USA for generations to come!

SILVER LINING
The one silver lining I have is that this seems to be forcing the EU towards Federation!

First - it is making them take on a large military debt (when already carrying a large Covid debt) to buy military hardware. Direct taxation from a central government caused the solidification of the USA Federal government and the forming of the German Federal government after WW1.

Second - some countries asked the EU to co-ordinate a pool of joint military purchases to get better per-unit costs. This is a baby step towards an EU central command.

Once the EU has their own Military Industrial Complex, they could eventually overtake the USA. They have about half the military funding now - but they have 500 million people! If they start making their OWN fifth gen fighter-bombers - Americans might finally realise Trump was the worst President they ever had as high tech military sales drop off. High tech military hardware creates 4 CIVILIAN supply chain jobs for every $million spent on military hardware. The EU currently buys something like $60 bn USA.

Then there's the larger anti-American sentiment from his rudeness about tariffs. Just imagine when this starts to hit silicon valley as well!?

Worst President ever!

^^ from a different board but absolutely spot on...

m.youtube.com/watch?v=pYFpiwyTXcU

Now look at that. So to hell with the First Amendment too, eh?


Your crude language is just an expression of your attitude towards other countries. It's that attitude that bothers me the most.

And so far I've seen quite a lot of baseless accusations here towards the EU coming from Trumpists.


OMG, the mighty US "screwed" even by poor Mexico :D How did they "screw" you? By sending cheap vegetables?

Every country is likely to protect their own economy and their own people. I think that's understandable and not a reason to be so angry about and hostile. The US has been doing that protecting for years too.

After the Great Depression started the US imposed tariffs that were originally aimed at protecting US farmers from foreign competition, but they were extended to a wider range of products and tariffs on agricultural and industrial goods were increased by about 20 percent. This caused trade wars which resulted in US exports dropping by 61 percent, slowing down the US economy and aggravating the economic crisis in the US.

Due to "lumber war" in 1982 Canadian lumber faces an existing 14 percent tariff in the US, even before Trump's threat to add 25 percent more.

In 1987 the US imposed 100 percent tariffs on $300m worth of Japanese imports. Japan did not retaliate. A bad time for Japanese economy started and in the 1990s Japan fell into a recession which lasted at least a decade.

There was also a conflict with the EU over bananas from Latin America. Western Europe wanted to give small farmers in its former Caribbean and African colonies an upper hand in the market. Why would the US care about Latin bananas? Because most banana plantations in Latin America were owned by American companies.

In 2002 in order to boost the American steel industry the US placed tariffs ranging from 8 to 30 percent on steel from foreign countries. Mexico and Canada were exempt from this, but it hit Europe. Funnily enough the US started importing more steel from countries that the tariffs were not targeting. Overall, US steel imports grew by 3 percent. These tariffs affected the US steel industry. Some smaller steel companies either went bankrupt or were acquired by larger ones. In retaliation, Europe threatened tariffs on a range of American products and days before Europe would have imposed these tariffs, Bush lifted the steel tariffs in 2003.

Of course, the ideal scenario would be if countries were able to protect their own economies without hurting other countries too much. The thing is, from what I've read the US economy is in a better shape than the EU's economy and the unemployment in the US is lower than in many EU countries. So why Americans sound as if the US is in some kind of unique, tragic situation and is about to fall apart or something? o_O


That's on your American companies then - you can't blame it on other countries.

Well then, firstly, Trump doesn't have those values, so he won't bring them back.
Secondly, Trump is an isolationist (and it looks like many of his supporters are also), so you can't be the world leader if you withdraw from the world that you want to lead.
Thirdly, the world has changed. After the World War II the US was in a unique and advantageous position. Europe was ravaged by war, the factories were destroyed, China was also devastated and they had the civil war and later Mao's policies ruined the country. So, the US for some time had practically no competition. But it's been 80 years since the end of World War II - almost a century. Things change and we all have to do our best to adapt to those changes - there's no other choice. You can't stop the time or go back in time.


Oh, Poland doesn't want a weak US, trust me lol That's one of the reasons why we're following what's happening in your country with great concern. I most definitely don't wish ill to the US economy and I doubt anyone would want economic crisis in the US, because that usually ends with world economic crisis.
But I also wouldn't want the US to become an anti-democratic, anti-EU country or even some crazy, facist state invading its allies.

Also, the EU (Poland included) has to protect their interests too. That's the main job of our political representatives - to take care of our people and our economies. I'm sure you understand that, right?

The EU and other countries have been affected by the pandemic too, there's inflation everywhere, not only in the US. The EU is supporting Ukraine, the majority of Ukrainian refugees were taken in by EU countries. Sanctions on RuSSia have affected the EU economies more than the US economy. Trump wants the individual NATO countries to increase their military spending to a level that even the US hasn't reached. And now it looks like Trump wants to kill off the EU with this trade war. So, as you can probably imagine, many people in the EU aren't terribly enthusiastic about Trump.

@Barney
Tariffs are not taxes, as so many have pointed out here. Do those of us in Poland pay tariffs or taxes or both?


Another example.

I do blame the US companies and presidential policies. Did you read what I wrote or just more of your bvllshit?

Stopping time? Going back in time? How about a return to common sense business and family values. Saying FO to all the woke bvllshit, and telling the world that either the playing field is the same for the US as it is for the other country, or pay the price in tariffs. 80 years of Americans paying to protect the world, not just Europe. If you paid taxes like Americans for things Americans have, you would be very upset. Imagine a billion zloty going to pay for a study on gay mice in Uganda or something so stupid. We are talking about billions of US dollars wasted without tax payers knowing, on top of the billions spent protecting the "worlds democracy's".

@PolAmKrakow
Tariffs are taxes paid by either the importer or end customer.

Tariffs are a tax and yes lots of Polish people pay them. They are collected by the Urzad Celny. They are compulsory, you can't get your goods until you pay. You can't negotiate the amount or the payment schedule with the Urzednik. The money you pay goes into the Polish treasury.

It is the textbook definition of a tax

Why is it that the MAGA types can't understand tariffs or VAT ? I have sat in economics lessons full of intelligent Americans who all understood the concept immediately

You are right but I don't think that any of the Trump supporters are going to answer that. I noticed that Novi, instead of answering your question, started rambling on about the definition of trading.

Let's try again. Can any Trump supporters here explain why the UK is being hit by tariffs when there isn't a trade deficit? I'm expecting crickets or long and complicated deflections.


Because I don't think their leader does either.

Ive been watching this crazy documentary about new york:
youtu.be/NQVaftEXlvc

It was like lodz it seems or Lodz City aka Gotham City.

researchdestroy.com/welcome-to-fear-city.pdf%0A%0Aen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_City_pamphlets

" Imagine a billion zloty going to pay for a study on gay mice in Uganda or something so stupid."

they should do a study why so many 18 year olds in the usa join **** so many hot attractive females doing scenes with fat old guys like ron jeremy and in poland even in the ghetto that is lodz none would do that none at 18 at least and ho have options. why do they do it in usa or do facial abuse there at 18 and wouldnt in lodz? and even for money i mena i cnt even find a hot 18 yr old hooker here that isnt or who isnt a scam.

Sure, Turk, I wholeheartedly agree, no doubt Biden, head and shoulders, above all previous presidents, worst president ever

No Paulina just your understanding/interpretation of what First Amedment is or should be. Why don't you worry about free speech in your backyard,In America ,
doing well even thriving.

I love your reasoning-it's so smooth, benevolent, understanding, loving, and quickly changing, right, when the subject of discussion turns to America.
Look at the above quote: Every country has the right, even the duty, to protect its people, except America, we should forever be the fodder for European parasites.

@cms neuf
And when that tariff is so high that the shipper wont send the product, they dont do business in the US and the consumer isnt paying the higher price. Understand? Stopping the China flood of garbage is good for the US. Plenty of local junk producers in LA and NYC to fill the void. This is not about raising prices, it is about making it so expensive for China and others to do business that they dont get the opportunity to raise prices, they get locked out. Not one person will die because China cant do business in the US. No one in the US is going to be hurt by Range Rover and Jaguar laying people off and not shipping to the US now. Pressure makes pipes burst, and this is pressure on world trade thats long over due.

Retail sales up 1.4% in March despite tariffs. Showing Americans just dont GAF about losing foreign goods.

Paulina, stop hallucinating, get hold of your emotions. The whole quote is nothing more than dark projections. Some portions of your very long post were OK, but spoiling a positive feeling takes one rotten sentence.Make your postings shorter, and not everyone has the patience of biblical Job.

Paulina, you could not be more wrong, even if you transplanted Szczelec's brain into your skull

Yeah, Feniks, President Trump already indicated preferential treatment for the UK. What more do you want? There is no question of different rules for the UK and the EU.

Really , Cymes, you must have been sticking like a sore thumb,:::))) one dull individual among intelligent Americans

A bit of a contradiction there, it's not about taxing the consumer except it is about taxing the consumer.

People being screwed over by Trumps taxes right across the US cos the supply chain doesn't exist making it harder to do business. They will cost people money and won't do what they are supposed to do, that's why these taxes are so stupid.

Of course PolAm - the increased prices will mean Americans buy less Temu etc and that's probably good.

But some things are going to be a shock - good example is fans and aircon units, mostly made in China, cost about to triple. Yeah people lived without them, in the 1920s.