Five or more years of Erdogan!

Can Turkey survive? Wonder how Poland along with the EU has reacted to the news.

Russians are cautiously excited.

1) It means our sanctions loophole will likely stay open for the time being.

2) We hope he will continue to delay Swedish accession to NATO, or at least bargain something out for it which will effectively dent Western unity. Perhaps Russian intelligence should prod some nationalistic Swedes into burning another Koran, to help events along.

3) It seems Erdogan once again feels that the West attempted to prevent his re-election. On top of their previous support for the coup against him, and the support offered for the Syrian PKK - this may finally convince Erdogan that the West are not his friends.

4) Erdogan is currently weak. His economy is a shambles (worse than ours, despite absence of sanctions). As mentioned above - he feels alienated. A perfect time to swoop in and cement Russian influence in this important region.

P.S. - Erdogan is in the end a sneaky Turk, and he may very well wrap all of us around his finger for his own little games - so it may be foolish trying to control him.

In the light of Tansu Cillar along with many other enlightenened, educated Turkish leaders, Recep Tayyip Erdogan's an embarrassment to Turkey's progress, who wants to lead Turkey back into the Caliphate stone ages of Pashas, slaves, and repression of women's rights in that country!

And he had the gall to once compare himself with Ataturk, the former general who brought enlightened prosperity, above all literacy, to Turkey??! What a slap in the face.

I'm disappointed, to say the least. Now Turkey will probably never join the EU.

And, that's a major concern for the US. How does the US/NATO deal with a Russian-allied Turkey-who, by the way, houses 50ish US nuclear warheads on its soil?

I should think so. It's been broadly welcomed in Europe because EU expansion and Turkish membership is a political hot potato, and of course Erdogan doesn't want this. Some of his rivals are more likely to want to move closer to the rest of Europe.

Erdoganis an enigma. He wants Turkish greatness and glory. And of course it has a huge population at the crossroads of the world. A downside is largely the same downside that people see in the current Polish regime. Namely, that his electoral base is largely rural and older/less educated whereas he lacks support among the educated urban population. Plus of course, he is an authoritarian leader who cares as little about democracy as PiS. Nevertheless, both countries have thriving oppositions and vigorous political dialogue.


Many people say this, however, the situation in Turkey is extremely complicated. Their political landscape is very multi-polar with educated, enlightened and generationally affluent Kemalists, a strong Labour movement among the industrial proletariat, Erdogan's Anatolian farmers, the even more traditional east, an intellectual left wing and sadly, a significant and violent far-right. Plus of course there are the Kurdish and other minorities.

Despite very high inflation, their infrastructure is strong and growing stronger, their factories are producing more, their agricultural sector is growing stronger and education levels are high and increasing. Turkey (or Türkiye as they prefer to be known) has a very bright future.

About their relations with the cancer on humanity that is called r*SSia: right now in these difficult economic times, they're very happy to take the orcs' money and profit from their misery. For Türkiye this is not new. Back in the days of The Porte (when Türkiye was the only major state that never recognised the partition of Poland) they have had a tradition of profiting from rather than engaging in conflict. And of course they're a full NATO member with İncirlik Air Base being a key part of the NATO infrastructure and after Ukraine, their claim on Crimea is the second strongest.

Where is the allowance for nuance when discussing Russia?

One is Turkey, the other is Belarus. The likes of Georgia help too. It looks almost as if West is allowing those loopholes for some reason.

There is also:

1) Armenia
2) Kazakhstan
3) Mongolia
4) Kyrgyzstan
5) Azerbaijan
6) Tajikistan
7) Uzbekistan
8) China
9) Iran
10) South Africa
11) India
12) North Korea
13) Egypt

... and so on, and so forth. It's surprising how many countries hate the West's guts.

It looks like a list of countries from which there are the most illegal immigrants wanting to Europe.

In addition, how does Erdogan ever intend to handle the tinderbox issue of the Kurds, much less Turkey's relationship with Germany??

Apparently, his victory will enable Sweden to join in NATO. Let's wait and see.

Badly, as we can see.


Belarus may as well be r*SSia. Nobody even knows for sure if its president is alive or dead. Not so much Belarus's dictator as Schrödinger's.

I'm in Istanbul airport (huge, vile, expensive and either a wise investment for the future or a vanity project) every so often and the last time I was there earlier this year, around half the flights in the destination board were to provincial r*SSian airports. Flat rentals in Türkiye have also rocketed since Putler tried to mobilise men from their urban middle classes. Türkiye must be taking in cash from the orcs.


Dead in Bucha next to the corpses of her parents and older siblings with her hands tied behind her back and blood on her crotch.

That is Putin's next target so that he can get closer to the borders of Poland and Ukraine.

@Miloslaw
Russia currently borders both Poland and Ukraine

It's certainly a long border. He's sabre-rattling though, and we can expect much more of the same rhetoric as r*SSia declines as a functioning state and becomes less stable. Fortunately, the orc generals know very well that if it came to using nuclear or non-conventional weapons in Europe, they would come out far worse than any state they attempted to attack.

This is a stupid discussion, so it will get a stupid continuation:

1) Russia is heavily urbanized, yes, but also very large. There will remain lots of areas that were untouched by the effects of the blast. We will move to those areas and plant potato plots.

2) Just 4 explosions in Cornwall, Essex, Yorkshire, and Powys would be quite sufficient to make all of the southern half of Great Britain uninhabitable. Enjoy setting up camp in Glasgow.

With not many people in. I suppose those whose eyeballs haven't melted can try and crawl there before the radiation sickness gets them.


I'm cool with that. Every r*SSian city would however be under a meter of glass before a second orc missile reached the free world.

Interesting how many Turkish women, and youngish ones no less, seem to have overwhelmingly cast their votes for such a reprobate!
Tansu Cillar, where art thou??

@Lyzko
There is nothing wrong with 🇹🇷 or Erdoğan. Stop worrying for nothing.

Bollox!
When did you start supporting radical muslims?

You support the oppression of the kurdish people?

Ironside's just another Polish contrarian on this forum who simply loves playing the Devil's Advocate!
Pay him no mind, you're better off.

@Lyzko
Fine, I will bite.
What Turkey 🇹🇷 or Erdoğan ever done to you?

And how have you suddenly become a sympathiser of extreme Muslims?
Lot's of Muslims in Sweden....have you converted?

Did your daughter convert for her Paki humper also??

You are the only Paki that I know troll.

I just asked if your daughter converted,cant you even answer that or vodka from that plastic btl has taken effect?

To what?

Islam is not and will never be in my family.

Unlike yours.....

But your son in law is a paki Moose limb.What color burka does your daughter wear that blue one like in Afganistan or that deadly ninja warrior looking black one?

Why don't you listen or read?

You are the only Paki I know!

Isn't it time for you to pray?

Pray that Milo does not shoot you down in flames any more.....LOL!