American Special Military Operation in Venezuela

Things to think about.... in no particular order

Maduro was objectively awful. Getting him out of office is good. The combination of Chavez and Maduro brought one of (if not the) richest Latin American countries into destitution. Hint to the people of the world: STOP VOTING FOR SOCIALISTS! (unless you enjoy eating zoo animals which is what Venezuelans were reduced to a few years ago).

The US doesn't seem to have much in the way of clear plans on how to proceed now... the political system that kept Maduro in place... is still in place.

Nobel Peace Prize winner Machado has praised his removal but the Trump administration hasn't mentioned her at all...

Chavez, it should be noted, squandered the oil revenues on payments to cronies and the like and the oil infrastructure barely works now and it will take years to rebuild.

Something like a quarter of the Venezuelan population fled the country (which was not at war....) they were fleeing rule by Maduro.

Venezuela is not a peaceful place, even in the best of times the murder rate was off the charts (individually Venezuelans are lovely people, collectively they have trouble).

I have no confidence in the ability of the US to manage a recovery of the Venezuelan economic and political system....

Neither russia nor china can protect their client states.... this has got to worry russians who'd been making aggressive noises about 'defending' Maduro and a Chinese delegation was in the country when the operation began.

There is no such thing as international law because there is no body that is able to enforce it.

other stuff?

It feels very strange, when one begins to agree with Marjorie Taylor Green...

If somebody told me a year ago, that I would begin to view MTG as one of America's most promising politicians - I would have assumed this would be a result of some massive brain hemorrhage. But here we are...

Her post on Twitter regarding the situation around Venezuela (attaching below) is not perfect - but a damn sight better than what most European and American politicians have put out over the past 24 hours.

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For people in Europe unaware of who she is - she's a Republican Congresswoman from Georgia - who for a long time was Trump's staunchest ally. At one point she was even considered as a potential VP pick by Trump.

She was the most unhinged MAGA demagogue on the national stage - believing in the QAnon conspiracy, Pizzagate, and Bill Gates making people gay and sterile through vaccinations.

But for the last two months she has been at war with Trump - the reason being the Epstein files.

Trump has cast her out, branded her a lunatic, and called her Marjorie Traitor Greene. In turn, she's announced that she will be vacating her seat in Congress this January.

When MTG says that Trump doesn't honor his promises - you should listen.

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...at least in all economical matters! The left is generally economically hopeless....the moment all money has been "taken from the rich" and has run out any economy goes tanking and the country and its people impoverish....that pattern has been by now proven countless times!


...and that is not their job...making room for the opposition (maybe under Machado) being able to take back their country is a most important first step...but only a first step, the rest should be up to the V-people!


I would like to know what Putin truly thought as this Delta-Unit so flawlessly and fast just removed some enemy leader from office, heh:)


...only sanctions and some kind of isolation, I think....

He actually has - claiming she won't have any role to play - because nobody respects her. Go figure.

I think he doesn't like her because she got a Nobel Peace Prize, while he only got a FIFA Peace Prize.

By the way - is FIFA now gonna make a FIFA War Prize?

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Why? Till now he did more for Peace than any Sesselfurzer elsewhere....Gaza...israeli hostages....free Venezuela (if it works out that way)....maybe even the Mullahs in Teheran?

We need a european Trump! :)

She got that bribe for advocating the sale of Venezuela's resources to US billionaires.

NATO play book...blockade a country claim the economic damage is self inflicted then invade. A very similar strategy to invade a country and blame the resulting migration on Islam

....just in....the whole airspace above Greece (!) is right now totally empty and blocked...

Has anyone any news about it?

Kind of the impression I get (an international social butterfly who collects prizes and awards but has no real desire to be in power, a bit like Navalnaja).

The best short term solution would be some kind of caretaker national unity government until real elections could be held (including the diaspora that fled Maduro's mismanagement).

Some possibilities....

x.com/TruthRadarHQ/status/2007763781623967984

Thanks for the link!

...now I can't decide between cyberattack or Ufo's....

I was just joking about FIFA, which seems to bend over backwards to make Trump happy.

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Also - in what universe is bombing Iran and bombing Venezuela a "peaceful" move?

Don't peacemakers usually achieve their goals through dialogue and forgiveness?

Ending a cruel dictatorship is definitely a peaceful move....at least in my eyes!

Or any other revolution or freedom fight would be equally bad because of "disrupting" the graveyard peace...you know what I mean....

They ended Saddam's regime, and then what happened? Half a million civilian deaths, and the rise of the Islamic State. Very peaceful indeed.

They removed the Taliban, and what happened? Again hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths, and... the eventual return of the Taliban.

They removed Mossadegh and installed the Shah - a thief who robbed his country blind - eventually leading to the Islamic Revolution.

"Ending dictatorships" doesn't necessarily lead to good things - especially when done from outside.

In Russia we gained freedom from the Tsar in an abrupt and spectacular fashion (through outside interference by you Germans), and got instead 70 years of non stop fun.

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Probably the better way to achieve regime change is the South African example, or the Spanish example (I mean the transition from Franco).

Chile is a good example - where Pinochet lost a plebiscite he himself allowed. Taiwan... Czechoslovakia... AND OF COURSE POLAND.

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Change has to come from inside. When it is forced from the outside, it leaves a very messy and hard to clean up situation.

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Please no references to the Nazis or Imperial Japan. Completely different bag of goods.

Usually I would agree with you....but there are those cases....those handful of leaders....sometimes only one....having a whole country under their thumb, using and abusing its people....

Cutting them off from their power, maybe even ending them, can mean peace! Without war and masses of death and destruction...it's worth a shot, I say!


Verdammt!

*throws prepared speech into the bin*

The world didn't go to fight Japan and Germany because they were led by dictators. They went to fight because those two countries declared war on them.

On the victorious side you had dictators. You had Chiang Kai Shek and Stalin, and others.

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It's actually very hard to think of a good example of a successful regime change from the outside.

Apologists for American imperialism claim Japan, Germany and South Korea as examples of the "virtue" of American occupation, in contrast to Soviet and French occupation leading to stagnation and poverty.... but this does not stand up to scrutiny.

Germany and Japan were industrial giants long before America occupied them. Germany and Japan were already leaders in research.

South Korea's success - if it belongs to anyone (rather than to the Koreans themselves) - is owed to Japan which occupied it for decades and built up its industries.

In thew western hemisphere, the US can easily control what happens in the socialist created sh!thole of Venezuela. The big oil companies will go in. Repair the infrastructure, pump millions of barrels driving the price of oil down. Bring Venezuela back to the dollar standard and stop accepting Russia, China, and India currency. This is about breaking BRICS and taking out a dictator who was indicted five years ago. Anyone complaining about this is either an enemy of the US, or doesnt understand the economics of this. This sends a messgae to Vlad as well. Time to negotiate. While also sending a message to every other POS dictator that the US can and will take out anyone that makes threats to Americans or to the US as a country.

Change will come quickly. Some people will be allowed to leave and live under other countries protection, and then the people will decide. Venezuela was once a rich nation, socialism killed it. Trump will bring it back. Maybe it will be another example to Russians, Chineese and North Koreans of what their governments are doing to them? How free market economies and removal of dictators are what nations need.

Who is? Israel is not our ally. Where did you hear that nonsense?
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Really? I think you are confused.

Nonsense, huh?

Yes, they are an ally of the U.S. or perhaps a master. All of this participation primarily benefits Israel and doesn't really establish these countries as true allies. Being an ally means obligations should go both ways; in this case, it looks like a one-way street. Additionally, it's misleading to say that Israel and the West share the same values.

A master....this tiny country a master of the mighty USofA...and you call ME confused? ;)


Na ja....Germany at least profits mightily....not only with getting modern weapons but especially through secret informations. Several planned massacres had been stopped, avoided in time only because the Mossad helped, with that they saved lotsa german lives (the BND is truly useless)....

Are you not aware how powerful the Israeli lobby in the US actually is?

Look at our PF American members; they are afraid to even talk about it here. lol

How could I.....

List of countries that most of the public in the world won't care much about being attacked and say: "They had it coming"

1. U.S.A
2. Russia
3. France
4. Venezuela
5. Philippines
6. Singapore
7. UAE
8. Syria
9. "Israel"
10. Iran
11. Libya
12. North Korea
13. China
14. Belarus
15. Maybe Serbia

If you find any new dictatorships or filthy rich hoarding countries with despicable politics, feel free to add them to the list. Then you understand why such countries get invaded or have "special military operations" and people shrug mostly with their shoulders.

To say that Venezuela was risk free from any intervention from U.S.A, you would have to be a Venezuelian dictator that has ignored history of the Americas in last 200 years I guess.

What other world leader can come to Congress and give a speech trashing the sitting US president?

This is what happened in 2015 when Netanyahu came and gave a speech to Congress without ever notifying Obama.

Source: politico.com/story/2015/03/democrats-react-benjamin-netanyahu-speech-115705

What other country - has members of its military serving in the US Congress? In America, there is a gentleman that went and served in the IDF, after a 12 year career in the US military, and now he sits in Congress - how about that?

Even I didn't believe this story when I first heard about it, but it's true.

Source: thehill.com/homenews/house/4254384-brian-mast-israeli-military-uniform-capitol-hill/amp/

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I knew once Trump was re-elected he'd crash the economy.
This was correct.

@Mr Grunwald
Good list. Now which country, other than by terrorist action is going to invade the US or Russia? Ukraine didnt have good results for long. Canada invade the US? Not a chance, Poland has a larger population, and better military. Mexico? Maybe the US invades them at somepoint but not the other way around. Who invades Russia? The only possiblity is China if sh!t goes bad between them.

Christian Zionism, rebuilding the Temple, sons of Noah etc. - something that tens of millions of white Anglo-Saxon evangelicals are absolutely crazy about, and Israel knows how to exploit (plus all their other methods of influence).

Israel isn't the 51st state, the USA is the 8th mehoz (7th, informally, is the West Bank).

I am not neutral in my world view I support side that is just and noble, against the axis of evil (ever changing composition of whoever opposes my current side). I am not pretending to be objective. I also clearly stated I never liked Ukraine before war but now they are doing good work.

The countries you mentioned have large enough militaries and nuclear power to deter a willing invader. So towards such states subterfuge is used instead.

Have you ever considered why drugs, criminal activities, smuggling and other activities increase sometimes in a country? This is one of the major reasons, to increase possibility of espionage and hiring and spotting weak willed individuals with dubious loyalties towards host country.