American Special Military Operation in Venezuela

Dear Colleagues,

On the advice of Mr. CMS Neuf - I have decided to create a dedicated thread for discussions of the American special military operation in Venezuela (NOT A WAR!), and its potential repercussions for Eastern Europe and the EU at large.

As Russia and America seem to be doing their best to tear down the very world order they had helped to create following the end of World War II - it is the responsibility of Europe to stand firm on its principles - and protect what little remains of the rules based order.

It is the especial responsibility of Poland, and other neighboring countries such as Czechia and Hungary - which have suffered from unilateral Great Power interventions - to project a strong opposition to this illegal and unjustifiable attack.

Thank your for your attention to this matter.

Although it's hard not to wish that the response from the Venezuelan government is to announce a $1 billion bounty on Don Taco, the operation to capture Maduro shows that there must have been a lot of very high level support from senior people in Venezuela for his removal.

Good work

So this is both wrong and crazy

Removing someone just because you don't like him - wrong

Doing it without a plan for what happens next - crazy and very expensive

Poland should have zero involvement

All help for Venezuela now! We must seize the ameriKKKan aSSets in Europe - all the money they have SStacked in their acountSS in European banks and send it to Venezuela.

Slava Venezuele! Chavistam Slava!


Indeed. Donald Tusk has already volunteered to lead the coalition of the willing against ameriKKKan invaderSS...

That's America. They've done it before, a sort of drive-by intervention that invariably makes things worse.


No major democracy will have anything to do with this due to the precedent it would set and the illegality of it. That and the fact that stable governments worldwide are holding their noses at trump and waiting until he's just a bad memory.

I have already cancelled my Netflix account, and I promise to never open my Gmail inbox ever again.

Responsibility for what? The US only did what it should have done long ago. 🤷‍♂️

... and I have just unistalled Duolingo from my phone. Take that, Evil Empire!

Trump now says the US is going to run Venezuela and install a puppet regime. We know how that's going to end. Seriously are all Americans retarded or dont they care who they elect?

The big question however is what will Europe do, will they continue to be dictated to by the US or grow a backbone and expell them from Europe.

Seriously these big tech companies only exist cos Europe allowed them to get a foothold in our market. Regulate and tax the **** out of them. Who needs an app that undresses victims or pumps US propaganda at them. Apparently America does

They are horribly polarized and the two camps don't really talk to each other. Instead they spend more and more time in their own separate information bubbles growing more and more hostile towards each other.

It's happening in many other places in the world as well, including Poland. Pure evil.

First voices from Poland...

"The American attack on Venezuela is fundamentally different from the Russian assault on Ukraine. Unfortunately, it differs in that the Russians-while lying at every step-did at least try, and continue to try, to convince the world that they had a reason to attack Ukraine. The Americans, apart from general statements that the regime of Nicolás Maduro was engaged in drug trafficking, did not even attempt to fabricate any evidence that would make their claims credible to even the slightest degree."

onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/witold-jurasz-to-co-sie-dzieje-w-wenezueli-wbrew-pozorom-ma-ogromne-znaczenie-dla/8vefwe4,79cfc278

When a Pole admits that Americans act more like villains than Russians, then we better listen.

@GefreiterKania
I see and recognise what you are saying this polarising atmosphere is largely driven by the US government and billionaires.

I miss the days when a robust argument could be had among friends, there's nothing better than pointing out your mates errors while he wrongly tries to do the same.

The reason Trump was elected was twofold, he promised to bring down prices and put Americans first. He has failed on all points, turns out he is the same as the other politicians he lies to get into power then does what his paymasters want.

Edit
Trump publishing that picture is a crime but nothing about the US surprises me anymore.

The problem is that people from opposite camps rarely talk face to face these days. They have their social media, discussion groups, TV stations, YT channels which only provide them with infomation specially tailored towards their opinions and biases. Modern technology makes polarizing societies much easier.

@GefreiterKania
At the height of the troubles here my mixed group of friends would argue a lot and seriously disagree but that was all face to face we are still friends. Personal interactions are important and yes I agree about modern technology.

I'm waiting for the flood of condemnation from our heroic NATO allies of the US oil grab. The US is not trying to hide their reasons Trump and the others are broadcasting their intentions to the world but the silence from NATO puppets is telling

Ireland are not in NATO and are proud neutrals Barney, so they can lead the way

Here is their actual statement - written I presume by Chat GPT

gov.ie/en/department-of-foreign-affairs/press-releases/statement-by-minister-mcentee-on-the-situation-in-venezuela/

That's rich coming from a Britard whose own nation mastered gunboat diplomacy, forced opium on China, partitioned India and Ireland, scribbling arbitrary Middle East borders, and getting humiliatingly slapped down by America at Suez.

Britain's the undisputed champion of interventions that invariably make things worse. At least the Americans sometimes arrest their own regional narco-dictators instead of just drawing lines on a map and sailing home.


The inconvenient reality is they're sheepishly admitting they're seen as untrustworthy allies, sidelined and left in the dark, forced to twiddle their thumbs and tune into White House press conferences for any scraps of info.

Oh, the irony, your Prime Minister Starmer, squatting in the seat once warmed by Churchill (who, along with America, shaped the postwar world) is now reduced to nothing more than Joe Q. Public, refreshing his social media feed and waiting for the next Trump tweet or White House press briefing to drop to find out what's going on in the world.

The British have fallen from empire-builders to irrelevant spectators.

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dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15431079/Venezuelas-President-Nicolas-Maduro-indicted-New-York-drugs-weapons-charges-Keir-Starmer-distances-US-airstrikes.html

@cms neuf
Well done, I'm just waiting on NATO countries condemning this illegal act. After all the press conference the aggressors conducted could have been scripted by the Kremlin. But Russia bad NATO good

All the fvcktards here would be cheering if the US went into Ukraine. But when it protects its own interests, meaning its people, all the leftards are upset. This forum is a fvcking joke.

Yep!

You have told us many times that the US is not going to look after Europe, that we can pay our own way etc

Then Golden Cow goes and starts a completely new, very expensive war for no reason.

And the US has been crystal clear about not sending troops to Ukraine so your comparison is ridiculous

A small correction...

The British have fallen from empire-builders to irrelevant, suicidal spectators...

On the other hand, they are very good at stifling the speech their ruling mob and useless king would rather not hear...Only nice speech is allowed to keep them and migrants happy...

Hey, Starmer, how was your visit to Alaska?

You didn't go?

Oops, sorry...I forgot that you weren't invited.

Why don't you pathetic moaning old farts shut up about empire building

Of course the British are not doing that - because it's wrong, illegal and not supported by their own citizens

This will go badly wrong for the US

Trump made the wrong, if expedient, decision!
Last time I checked, any sitting US president requires an Act of Congress prior to declaring war.

As usual, a la Chico Marx in "Night at the Opera", Trump chucked that one too.

Because these morons think the US and Americans are disposable tools, not a country.

Hence, from the bottom of my heart, ...fvck you, azzholes...

I hope this removes all doubts about how I feel and where I stand.


Brits should sell their god-forsaken island and pay operations to the colonies.

They would have to remove all migrants and disinfect the place first...

The US sets a dangerous precedent with this action.

Indeed. The loudest howls over Maduro's arrest aren't about "respecting international law, borders, and sovereignty" (all of which as you know go out the window when it comes to illegal migration), it's sheer panic that disrupted cartel pipelines will cause street prices to skyrocket, forcing addicts like themselves to ditch their daily kebabs and Big Macs in order to continue funding their drug habits.

Oh well. No matter how much Marx they regurgitate, socialists simply can't escape market forces - ever.

Possibly - there is an argument for colonial reparations, and of course that covers all nations that engaged in colonial genocides including Britain, France, the US, Germany, Belgium etc

Biden declared war on the US and opened the border without an act of Congress.

To his great credit, Trump stopped that war and redirected his attention to more deserving targets...

Seriously .. Don't you like watching how those 50 mph "fishing boats" turn into pieces and "the fishermen" die before they can text "I will be late home for dinner" to their loved ones?

Mixing apples and oranges, Rich.